Jimmy Garoppolo Speculation
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Per Ed Werder based on his "inside information" Patriots no way are going to trade JG (unless they are overwhelmed):
https://sports.yahoo.com/m/207deaeb-a794-3356-a1d0-73431661d23d/ss_new-england-patriots-not.html
Per Ed Werder based on his "inside information" Patriots now way are going to trade JG (unless they are overwhelmed):
https://sports.yahoo.com/m/207deaeb-a794-3356-a1d0-73431661d23d/ss_new-england-patriots-not.html
Two things there Gip. Mary K trying to create news and Boo had better get used to a second round pick for his man crush. Of course, Bill will ship him off if some team is dumb enough to offer a first round pick.
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Per Ed Werder based on his "inside information" Patriots now way are going to trade JG (unless they are overwhelmed):
https://sports.yahoo.com/m/207deaeb-a794-3356-a1d0-73431661d23d/ss_new-england-patriots-not.html
Two things there Gip. Mary K trying to create news and Boo had better get used to a second round pick for his man crush. Of course, Bill will ship him off if some team is dumb enough to offer a first round pick.
Two things there Gip. Mary K trying to create news and Boo had better get used to a second round pick for his man crush. Of course, Bill will ship him off if some changes team is dumb enough to offer a first round pick.
Werder seems to think that nothing short of the Browns #1 overall pick will pry him out of NE. I, of course think that is absurd. They would take #12. But I would not give them that. #52 at best.
We can draft a guy with a bigger arm with more mobility with a quicker release with at least as good accuracy if not better with poise and talent....and with only 2 less games experience in the NFL.
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I see what you're saying, but that two games of experience is actually quite a bit more. Three years of running an offense, learning a system, understanding how to prepare, adjusting to the speed of the game, and witnessing first hand what it takes to win in the NFL. Yes, he's got just two games under his belt as a starter, but I believe JG would be ready to start day 1, and I wouldn't want to start ANY of these rookies in 2017 (as of right now, my mind can certainly be changed). The other thing to remember is that we might not have the time needed to groom a young QB. I think we need to win many more games, and do it in a hurry. 1-15 was so tough on everybody, and our front office and owner can sit there and preach all day long about building something great and the importance of continuity, but it's much more difficult to actually see it through.
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I see what you're saying, but that two games of experience is actually quite a bit more. Three years of running an offense, learning a system, understanding how to prepare, adjusting to the speed of the game, and witnessing first hand what it takes to win in the NFL. Yes, he's got just two games under his belt as a starter, but I believe JG would be ready to start day 1, and I wouldn't want to start ANY of these rookies in 2017 (as of right now, my mind can certainly be changed). The other thing to remember is that we might not have the time needed to groom a young QB. I think we need to win many more games, and do it in a hurry. 1-15 was so tough on everybody, and our front office and owner can sit there and preach all day long about building something great and the importance of continuity, but it's much more difficult to actually see it through.
I see what you're saying, but that two games of experience is actually quite a bit more. Three years of running an offense, learning a system, understanding how to prepare, adjusting to the speed of the game, and witnessing first hand what it takes to win in the NFL. Yes, he's got just two games under his belt as a starter, but I believe JG would be ready to start day 1, and I wouldn't want to start ANY of these rookies in 2017 (as of right now, my mind can certainly be changed). The other thing to remember is that we might not have the time needed to groom a young QB. I think we need to win many more games, and do it in a hurry. 1-15 was so tough on everybody, and our front office and owner can sit there and preach all day long about building something great and the importance of continuity, but it's much more difficult to actually see it through.
Johnny Manziel has more of that experience an exposure than JG does. It that is all we are looking at, may as well resign him...if that is all you are looking for.
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Two things there Gip. Mary K trying to create news and Boo had better get used to a second round pick for his man crush. Of course, Bill will ship him off if some changes team is dumb enough to offer a first round pick.
Werder seems to think that nothing short of the Browns #1 overall pick will pry him out of NE. I, of course think that is absurd. They would take #12. But I would not give them that. #52 at best.
We can draft a guy with a bigger arm with more mobility with a quicker release with at least as good accuracy if not better with poise and talent....and with only 2 less games experience in the NFL.
Not in this draft you can't...Otherwise, he'd be a consensus#1 pick.Werder seems to think that nothing short of the Browns #1 overall pick will pry him out of NE. I, of course think that is absurd. They would take #12. But I would not give them that. #52 at best.
We can draft a guy with a bigger arm with more mobility with a quicker release with at least as good accuracy if not better with poise and talent....and with only 2 less games experience in the NFL.
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Per Ed Werder based on his "inside information" Patriots now way are going to trade JG (unless they are overwhelmed):
https://sports.yahoo.com/m/207deaeb-a794-3356-a1d0-73431661d23d/ss_new-england-patriots-not.html
Two things there Gip. Mary K trying to create news and Boo had better get used to a second round pick for his man crush. Of course, Bill will ship him off if some team is dumb enough to offer a first round pick.
Of course, Bill will ship him off if some changes team is dumb enough to offer a first round pick.
Only guy that bothers me if he gets to #12 is TE OJ Howard. With Gronks health & Bennett slowing, Bill maybe finding a trade up partner from #32 for JG, if they flat out know they can't get another 1st rounder. McCaffery, Bill may have to move a little, if at all for now..
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Gipper---I've silently read the forum off and on for years. Never bothered to write much because, lets face it.... you guys are totally irrelevant and constantly reminding you of that fact seems sort of mean.
RoyceRolls ---Not qualifying for the playoffs saves your team plenty of embarrassment I bet. After all, you have no chance to lose when you're not good enough to try. Besides, I'm sure if you did manage to make the playoffs some fresh new version of Ernest Byner would just fumble the ball again.
gumby---Your sister says your beard makes her thighs itch, and she thinks the baby is pregnant again.
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Not in this draft you can't...Otherwise, he'd be a consensus#1 pick.Werder seems to think that nothing short of the Browns #1 overall pick will pry him out of NE. I, of course think that is absurd. They would take #12. But I would not give them that. #52 at best.
We can draft a guy with a bigger arm with more mobility with a quicker release with at least as good accuracy if not better with poise and talent....and with only 2 less games experience in the NFL.
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@boo-fagley said:
There is no man crush.
Garraplolo is the best # 2 NE QB that I have seen in ages. Its a QB weak draft. If that bum Sam Bradford is worth all those pick than JG is worth a 1st.
I'll say it again- Bradford with the Vikes was a completely different situation. Still don't get it?
Bradford had started 63 games, NOT 2. Known quantity.
Vikes thought they were a playoff team. The 2017 Browns are not a playoff team with Garropolo, or for that matter Tom Brady.
Wanted to start the season off well with the shiny new stadium.
The mainstream sports media is doing all they can to link Jimmy to the Browns- because we have those extra picks. Lazy logic. Just because Minnesota was desperate (and gave up too much) to land a decent starter doesn't necessarily mean the Browns have to be stupid too.
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The Bears are not giving #3 for JG, would be ridiculous.
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@boo-fagley said:
2018 first?
crazy talk, McFagley. Go back to Bill,Kraft,the guys that carry's the muskets & the cheerleaders from your local Hooters & tell them any additional 1st rounder won't happen & quit cheating so our friend D'Quell Jackson can retire with a fully non-inflatable football..Tell Bill "no days off" is properly cheating also..
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@boo-fagley said:
No, not 2 first rounders.
1 first rounder. Those guys are all gone golfing in the warm weather.
The way you fawn over him it seems that JG stands for Jesus Godalmighty. News for you: he ain't quite that good.
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@boo-fagley said:
Not like we've been saying the same stuff 400 posts later. If the Patriots aren't sure, why should the Browns be? Forget about the #12, not happening.
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Nobody is going to trade a high first for G.
never going to happen.
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That's the big question...will a team like the 49's or Bears go absolutely bananas and trade away their absurdly high pick for a QB? My brain says, "Hell no, why are we even talking about this?!", but then I think about how important the QB position is. I think, "Trading the #3 pick for Garoppolo is basically the same thing as DRAFTING a QB at #3, so instead of getting a rookie QB there, they'll be getting a guy with at least SOME experience."
Like I said, I really don't see it happening, but look at the QB's available this draft. Who would you start day 1? Kyle Shanahan is coaching the 49's, and there have been several reports stating he liked Garoppolo coming out of college. What if him coaching the 49's was contingent on the team doing everything they could to trade for Garoppolo? Think about it, why would Shanahan take the job in San Francisco when they're a bigger mess than we are? Kaepernick is all but gone, Blaine Gabbert is...well...he's Blaine Gabbert, and if a new head coach has the choice between drafting a rookie QB, or trading for one he liked coming out of college, AND has some experience...who does he choose?
I agree, the Bears OR the 49's trading their ridiculously high pick for JG is CRAZY, but then again, did anybody think the Eagles were going to get what THEY got from the Vikings for Bradford?? (I know it's NOWHERE near applies to oranges, but just pointing out how nutso the trade was).
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Funny.
Brownie fans still believe they can trade for Garappolo without parting with buttloads of draft picks and bags full of cash. Their team has both things in great abundance but Browns fans still believe the team can find a QB cheaply, keep all of it's draft picks, and most importantly...not compromise the 1st overall pick. In short, brownie fans want to have their cake...eat their cake...and fuck their cake too.
Meanwhile, the Patriots are busy telling anyone who'll listen that they won't trade Garappolo under almost any circumstance, and if you believe them...as MMQB scribe Peter King does...it leaves the Browns with only two serious choices.
First, grossly overdraft college 1-year wonder Mitch Trubisky...who may not even be worthy of a 1st round pick...and would likely cost you the chance to draft a rare talent at DE. (You should do this.)
Second, agree to send far too much in trade booty to Cincinnati for AJ McCarron. King specifically mentions pick #33 as a likely starting point, but concedes it will take more to get the job done.
That's it.
King barely mentions the possibility of Tyrod Taylor becoming a fresher blacker Tarkenton before dismissing the idea, and he doesn't seem to take seriously the idea of a later drafted QB like a Jake Mahomes as the new starting QB in Cleveland.
Made it sound like McCarron is the front runner...if not the only serious alternative to Trubisky.
Again, funny.
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Funny.
Brownie fans still believe they can trade for Garappolo without parting with buttloads of draft picks and bags full of cash. Their team has both things in great abundance but Browns fans still believe the team can find a QB cheaply, keep all of it's draft picks, and most importantly...not compromise the 1st overall pick. In short, brownie fans want to have their cake...eat their cake...and fuck their cake too.
Meanwhile, the Patriots are busy telling anyone who'll listen that they won't trade Garappolo under almost any circumstance, and if you believe them...as MMQB scribe Peter King does...it leaves the Browns with only two serious choices.
First, grossly overdraft college 1-year wonder Mitch Trubisky...who may not even be worthy of a 1st round pick...and would likely cost you the chance to draft a rare talent at DE. (You should do this.)
Second, agree to send far too much in trade booty to Cincinnati for AJ McCarron. King specifically mentions pick #33 as a likely starting point, but concedes it will take more to get the job done.
That's it.
King barely mentions the possibility of Tyrod Taylor becoming a fresher blacker Tarkenton before dismissing the idea, and he doesn't seem to take seriously the idea of a later drafted QB like a Jake Mahomes as the new starting QB in Cleveland.
Made it sound like McCarron is the front runner...if not the only serious alternative to Trubisky.
Again, funny.
Funny.
Brownie fans still believe they can trade for Garappolo without parting with buttloads of draft picks and bags full of cash. Their team has both things in great abundance but Browns fans still believe the team can find a QB cheaply, keep all of it's draft picks, and most importantly...not compromise the 1st overall pick. In short, brownie fans want to have their cake...eat their cake...and fuck their cake too.
A lot of us want to use that #1 pick on someone we think will be better. Have you not been paying attention there?
Meanwhile, the Patriots are busy telling anyone who'll listen that they won't trade Garappolo under almost any circumstance, and if you believe them...as MMQB scribe Peter King does...it leaves the Browns with only two serious choices.
First, grossly overdraft college 1-year wonder Mitch Trubisky...who may not even be worthy of a 1st round pick...and would likely cost you the chance to draft a rare talent at DE. (You should do this.)
Another Courtney Brown/Kam Wimbley/Barkevious Mingo? You have no clue how good or bad this guy would be.
Second, agree to send far too much in trade booty to Cincinnati for AJ McCarron. King specifically mentions pick #33 as a likely starting point, but concedes it will take more to get the job done.
A non sequiter.....not an option...as far a I am concerned. But....since Hue was his coach, you never know. You focus on McCarron....but there are a dozen other guys out there.
That's it.
King barely mentions the possibility of Tyrod Taylor becoming a fresher blacker Tarkenton before dismissing the idea, and he doesn't seem to take seriously the idea of a later drafted QB like a Jake Mahomes as the new starting QB in Cleveland.
Made it sound like McCarron is the front runner...if not the only serious alternative to Trubisky.
Again, funny.
Oh, there are any number of other options: drafting a different QB from MT, drafting someone lower in the draft. Picking up some veteran FA.
...wait till next year. Start Kessler. Not good options....but options.
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