Trubisky's Experience May Not Prevent Him From Being The 1st QB Selected - Thanks to the Spread?
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I've been beaten down. Why argue anymore? It's going to be Garrett, and Trubisky will be gone by #12. MHO? Watson is way overrated, Kizer flat out sucks, and Mahomes is a mechanical mess that should have stuck to baseball. I don't like Webb either- not accurate enough. The leaves me exactly who? to root for us taking.
Watson and Kizer will both find NFL success. Mahomes likely won't, but it is entirely dependent on where he goes and how he's groomed. Webb probably won't. Peterman will float around.
Dobbs, however, has Prescott written all over him - he's talented enough to succeed, smart enough to succeed, and isn't fundamentally terrible...and he'll be around when good teams can pick him.
It seems increasingly likely to me that we have him targeted with our late second/ third. He's athletic, mentally tough, has a quick and decently compact release, throws a great deep ball, and can make defenses pay with his feet. His biggest knock is that he needs to work on his progressions - like every QB in this draft. However, he's the only one of the bunch who was an aerospace engineer major and who never missed a day of school in his life...so work ethic and drive clearly aren't a question.
The guy just screams hidden gem.
Every prospect has their flaws, but his flaws seem to be the most manageable.
Watson and Kizer will both find NFL success. Mahomes likely won't, but it is entirely dependent on where he goes and how he's groomed. Webb probably won't. Peterman will float around.
Dobbs, however, has Prescott written all over him - he's talented enough to succeed, smart enough to succeed, and isn't fundamentally terrible...and he'll be around when good teams can pick him.
It seems increasingly likely to me that we have him targeted with our late second/ third. He's athletic, mentally tough, has a quick and decently compact release, throws a great deep ball, and can make defenses pay with his feet. His biggest knock is that he needs to work on his progressions - like every QB in this draft. However, he's the only one of the bunch who was an aerospace engineer major and who never missed a day of school in his life...so work ethic and drive clearly aren't a question.
The guy just screams hidden gem.
Every prospect has their flaws, but his flaws seem to be the most manageable.
Thanks for the input TC. I'll give him a look- he's been under my radar, but surely not the Browns. I'll disagree with you about Kizer though. Sure he's intelligent, but wouldn't touch him. As Tour opined he doesn't have a fast release (I'm not a qb mechanics whiz, so I'll trust him on that one). And what I saw of him, his accuracy is suspect. If great qbs can elevate the play of their team Kizer fails badly. Had a so-so combine- but I won't hold that against him. I haven't forgotten he got benched in a game too.
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Watson and Kizer will both find NFL success. Mahomes likely won't, but it is entirely dependent on where he goes and how he's groomed. Webb probably won't. Peterman will float around.
Dobbs, however, has Prescott written all over him - he's talented enough to succeed, smart enough to succeed, and isn't fundamentally terrible...and he'll be around when good teams can pick him.
It seems increasingly likely to me that we have him targeted with our late second/ third. He's athletic, mentally tough, has a quick and decently compact release, throws a great deep ball, and can make defenses pay with his feet. His biggest knock is that he needs to work on his progressions - like every QB in this draft. However, he's the only one of the bunch who was an aerospace engineer major and who never missed a day of school in his life...so work ethic and drive clearly aren't a question.
The guy just screams hidden gem.
Every prospect has their flaws, but his flaws seem to be the most manageable.
Thanks for the input TC. I'll give him a look- he's been under my radar, but surely not the Browns. I'll disagree with you about Kizer though. Sure he's intelligent, but wouldn't touch him. As Tour opined he doesn't have a fast release (I'm not a qb mechanics whiz, so I'll trust him on that one). And what I saw of him, his accuracy is suspect. If great qbs can elevate the play of their team Kizer fails badly. Had a so-so combine- but I won't hold that against him. I haven't forgotten he got benched in a game too.
Thanks for the input TC. I'll give him a look- he's been under my radar, but surely not the Browns. I'll disagree with you about Kizer though. Sure he's intelligent, but wouldn't touch him. As Tour opined he doesn't have a fast release (I'm not a qb mechanics whiz, so I'll trust him on that one). And what I saw of him, his accuracy is suspect. If great qbs can elevate the play of their team Kizer fails badly. Had a so-so combine- but I won't hold that against him. I haven't forgotten he got benched in a game too.
IMO he's solely the product of the system he was in. Brian Kelly is a bad coach - impetuous, gimmicky and not great at grooming talent.
He's killed the careers of multiple talented QB's in his tenure.
Kizer won't be a factor today, tomorrow, next year, or maybe the year after. But he has more ham enough natural talent coupled with both everyday intelligence and football intelligence.
Given time, he'll be something. Time is just something we don't really have to give.
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I've been beaten down. Why argue anymore? It's going to be Garrett, and Trubisky will be gone by #12. MHO? Watson is way overrated, Kizer flat out sucks, and Mahomes is a mechanical mess that should have stuck to baseball. I don't like Webb either- not accurate enough. The leaves me exactly who? to root for us taking.
Watson and Kizer will both find NFL success. Mahomes likely won't, but it is entirely dependent on where he goes and how he's groomed. Webb probably won't. Peterman will float around.
Dobbs, however, has Prescott written all over him - he's talented enough to succeed, smart enough to succeed, and isn't fundamentally terrible...and he'll be around when good teams can pick him.
It seems increasingly likely to me that we have him targeted with our late second/ third. He's athletic, mentally tough, has a quick and decently compact release, throws a great deep ball, and can make defenses pay with his feet. His biggest knock is that he needs to work on his progressions - like every QB in this draft. However, he's the only one of the bunch who was an aerospace engineer major and who never missed a day of school in his life...so work ethic and drive clearly aren't a question.
The guy just screams hidden gem.
Every prospect has their flaws, but his flaws seem to be the most manageable.
Dobbs, however, has Prescott written all over him - he's talented enough to succeed, smart enough to succeed, and isn't fundamentally terrible...and he'll be around when good teams can pick him.
Promise I didn't steal this observation when I posted it in another thread.
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Dobbs, however, has Prescott written all over him - he's talented enough to succeed, smart enough to succeed, and isn't fundamentally terrible...and he'll be around when good teams can pick him.
Promise I didn't steal this observation when I posted it in another thread.
Promise I didn't steal this observation when I posted it in another thread.
I'd be lying if I said I was the first one here to think it...
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Thanks for the input TC. I'll give him a look- he's been under my radar, but surely not the Browns. I'll disagree with you about Kizer though. Sure he's intelligent, but wouldn't touch him. As Tour opined he doesn't have a fast release (I'm not a qb mechanics whiz, so I'll trust him on that one). And what I saw of him, his accuracy is suspect. If great qbs can elevate the play of their team Kizer fails badly. Had a so-so combine- but I won't hold that against him. I haven't forgotten he got benched in a game too.
IMO he's solely the product of the system he was in. Brian Kelly is a bad coach - impetuous, gimmicky and not great at grooming talent.
He's killed the careers of multiple talented QB's in his tenure.
Kizer won't be a factor today, tomorrow, next year, or maybe the year after. But he has more ham enough natural talent coupled with both everyday intelligence and football intelligence.
Given time, he'll be something. Time is just something we don't really have to give.
Kizer won't be a factor today, tomorrow, next year, or maybe the year after. But he has more ham...
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Kizer won't be a factor today, tomorrow, next year, or maybe the year after. But he has more ham...
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Didn't know where to put this info, so here goes a bump.. No surprise about Mahomes. Tied the record. Doesn't mean much- clay pigeon bustin' Brandon Weeden tossed the rock @ 59 mph. Though having a rocket arm doesn't always translate to NFL success, Not being able to toss it 55 mph is near certain doom. Looking at the spreadsheet below, only two starting qb since 2008 (Tyrod Taylor Dak Prescott- both were injured) failed to make that threshold.
and if you miss clicking on the link in the above article, an interesting spreadsheet. BTW, it goes back several years if you want to take a stroll down Memory Lane to see just how many of those QBs have flopped. If you have lame arm velocity (Gasp Watson!!) You're odds of making it in the NFL go way down. Looking at the data our departed noodle arm backup Connor Shaw tossed it a smidge faster than Watson.
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49mph wow. That's him off my board completely tbh.
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Didn't know where to put this info, so here goes a bump.. No surprise about Mahomes. Tied the record. Doesn't mean much- clay pigeon bustin' Brandon Weeden tossed the rock @ 59 mph. Though having a rocket arm doesn't always translate to NFL success, Not being able to toss it 55 mph is near certain doom. Looking at the spreadsheet below, only two starting qb since 2008 (Tyrod Taylor Dak Prescott- both were injured) failed to make that threshold.
and if you miss clicking on the link in the above article, an interesting spreadsheet. BTW, it goes back several years if you want to take a stroll down Memory Lane to see just how many of those QBs have flopped. If you have lame arm velocity (Gasp Watson!!) You're odds of making it in the NFL go way down. Looking at the data our departed noodle arm backup Connor Shaw tossed it a smidge faster than Watson.
Didn't know where to put this info, so here goes a bump.. No surprise about Mahomes. Tied the record. Doesn't mean much- clay pigeon bustin' Brandon Weeden tossed the rock @ 59 mph. Though having a rocket arm doesn't always translate to NFL success, Not being able to toss it 55 mph is near certain doom. Looking at the spreadsheet below, only two starting qb since 2008 (Tyrod Taylor Dak Prescott- both were injured) failed to make that threshold.
and if you miss clicking on the link in the above article, an interesting spreadsheet. BTW, it goes back several years if you want to take a stroll down Memory Lane to see just how many of those QBs have flopped. If you have lame arm velocity (Gasp Watson!!) You're odds of making it in the NFL go way down. Looking at the data our departed noodle arm backup Connor Shaw tossed it a smidge faster than Watson.
Interesting. I really wonder how much of a factor such a thing can be. While a team can overlook certain below average matters: height/weight/hand size.....can velocity that low be overlooked? Will he have a Pro day in which to prove he can do better.
Also....did you say you had a link to some historical numbers on velocity? I would like to see some of that historical data.
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Didn't know where to put this info, so here goes a bump.. No surprise about Mahomes. Tied the record. Doesn't mean much- clay pigeon bustin' Brandon Weeden tossed the rock @ 59 mph. Though having a rocket arm doesn't always translate to NFL success, Not being able to toss it 55 mph is near certain doom. Looking at the spreadsheet below, only two starting qb since 2008 (Tyrod Taylor Dak Prescott- both were injured) failed to make that threshold.
and if you miss clicking on the link in the above article, an interesting spreadsheet. BTW, it goes back several years if you want to take a stroll down Memory Lane to see just how many of those QBs have flopped. If you have lame arm velocity (Gasp Watson!!) You're odds of making it in the NFL go way down. Looking at the data our departed noodle arm backup Connor Shaw tossed it a smidge faster than Watson.
Interesting. I really wonder how much of a factor such a thing can be. While a team can overlook certain below average matters: height/weight/hand size.....can velocity that low be overlooked? Will he have a Pro day in which to prove he can do better.
Also....did you say you had a link to some historical numbers on velocity? I would like to see some of that historical data.
Interesting. I really wonder how much of a factor such a thing can be. While a team can overlook certain below average matters: height/weight/hand size.....can velocity that low be overlooked? Will he have a Pro day in which to prove he can do better.
Also....did you say you had a link to some historical numbers on velocity? I would like to see some of that historical data.
Gip, at the top of the spreadsheet there's years 2017 - 2008. Just click on the year, and the data will show up.
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Interesting. I really wonder how much of a factor such a thing can be. While a team can overlook certain below average matters: height/weight/hand size.....can velocity that low be overlooked? Will he have a Pro day in which to prove he can do better.
Also....did you say you had a link to some historical numbers on velocity? I would like to see some of that historical data.
Gip, at the top of the spreadsheet there's years 2017 - 2008. Just click on the year, and the data will show up.
Gip, at the top of the spreadsheet there's years 2017 - 2008. Just click on the year, and the data will show up.
I see it now. Thanks
(first note: according to that Dak Prescott failed the velocity test)
2d note: Mike Glennon also had only a 49 mph velocity.!!!
3rd note..Nick Foles has HUGE monster hands...almost an inch bigger than anyone else. If his member matched his hand size he could go into porn.
Same with Ryan Mallet. We know hand size has little to do with brain size then.
Tyrod Taylor only had a 50 mph velocity......can he be considered a successful NFL QB?
For a short as he is, Russell Wilson had big hands...10.25
AJ McCarron also deficient in velocity....only a 49.
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Well.... Trubell has cleared a major hurdle... Gruden likes him... and MKC is making sure we know it!
Jon Gruden believes Mitchell Trubisky can handle Browns' hometown pressure and 'he'll be a real steal for somebody'
By Mary Kay Cabot, cleveland.com
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/03/jon_gruden_believes_mitch_trub.html
"Trubell"... with that as his nickname he's have a natural endorsement if he played in Texas...
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Someone wanna post what gruden said about johnny?
Lmao...
He's not a scout. He gets paid for ratings.
His QB camp is meant to get clicks and views. It's not supposed to be a scouting tool by any means. Dude has no reason to ever say anything bad about the participants on his show.
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He's not a scout. He gets paid for ratings.
His QB camp is meant to get clicks and views. It's not supposed to be a scouting tool by any means. Dude has no reason to ever say anything bad about the participants on his show.
He's an entertainer and no agent sends their player to him if he is anything other than positive about everyone he has on. Now mooch tried to do that with Tribbles, but his non-verbal pauses said a lot more during the play reproduction.
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There was another interview with him yesterday, reported by Tony Rizzo, which was apparently very positive. It was not the Gruden thing..but some other ESPN person.
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and, that's why I made the post. Cause his opinion means nadaHe's not a scout. He gets paid for ratings.
His QB camp is meant to get clicks and views. It's not supposed to be a scouting tool by any means. Dude has no reason to ever say anything bad about the participants on his show.
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and, that's why I made the post. Cause his opinion means nadaHe's not a scout. He gets paid for ratings.
His QB camp is meant to get clicks and views. It's not supposed to be a scouting tool by any means. Dude has no reason to ever say anything bad about the participants on his show.
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