Jimmy Garoppolo Speculation
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In all fairness no one knew what would happen with Ernie Davis, winner of the Heisman Trophy. What a tragic loss.
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Speaking of QB trades..
Found a link discussing the best trade each team in the NFL has made in their history.
11 of these trades involve QB's.
The great ones:
Jim Kelly
Joe Namath
Eli Manning
John Elway
Sonny Jergensen
Bret Favre
The OK ones:
Bernie Kosar
Matt Schaub
Carson Palmer
Ron Jaworski
Two of those really surprised me.
The best trade that Philly ever made in the history of their franchise was acquiring Jaworski? Really?
The best trade the Cleve ever made in the history of that franchise was acquiring Kosar?
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/page/32for32x161102/best-trade-every-nfl-team-ever-made
Well...that very well may be. Can't really think of another better one....though somehow or other some kind of trade had to have been consummated in 1978 that allowed the Browns to have 2 first rounders...in which they selected both Ozzie Newsome and Clay Matthews.
They have had some really bad trades: Warfield for Phipps. Bobby Mitchell for Ernie Davis. They traded away both Henry Jordan and Willie Davis....not sure if they were trades but got rid of Dick LeBeau and Doug Atkins.
Well...that very well may be. Can't really think of another better one....though somehow or other some kind of trade had to have been consummated in 1978 that allowed the Browns to have 2 first rounders...in which they selected both Ozzie Newsome and Clay Matthews.
They have had some really bad trades: Warfield for Phipps. Bobby Mitchell for Ernie Davis. They traded away both Henry Jordan and Willie Davis....not sure if they were trades but got rid of Dick LeBeau and Doug Atkins.
Mike Oliphant for Earnest Byner. OUCH.
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Well...that very well may be. Can't really think of another better one....though somehow or other some kind of trade had to have been consummated in 1978 that allowed the Browns to have 2 first rounders...in which they selected both Ozzie Newsome and Clay Matthews.
They have had some really bad trades: Warfield for Phipps. Bobby Mitchell for Ernie Davis. They traded away both Henry Jordan and Willie Davis....not sure if they were trades but got rid of Dick LeBeau and Doug Atkins.
Mike Oliphant for Earnest Byner. OUCH.
Mike Oliphant for Earnest Byner. OUCH.
That seemed almost like a Mercy trade. Byner committed "The Fumble".....lets get him out of here so that he does not have to be stigmatized and hassled by the fan base.
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I was just looking a Brady's contract and after 2017 his "Cap Savings" turns positive. And his number, at the tail end of his last restructure, jumps from a "friendly" $14mm in 2017 to $22mm in 2018 and 2019.
http://overthecap.com/player/tom-brady/1250
Not that he's a cut candidate... just an observation... but it got me wondering harder about whether 2017 will be his last season as a Pat. It was a springboard, not an integral piece. The first integral piece is the renewed interest in keeping Jimmy G. Assuming it's real spending nearly $40mm/yr on QBs can hamstring even the Pats. But this thought is old news.
Let's do some Q&A... and some point/counterpoint...
- Simply based on FA who is going to be favored over the Pats to win SB LII? (or is it LIII?) And a repeat gives Brady an Elway like send off if he decides to retire... at age 40.
- And if he doesn't retire? Would Bill really trade "his guy"? I think he would... as much as he loves Tom... business is business... and the list of great Pats who retire as Pats in the Belichick era is a very, very short list.
- But if he traded Tom, then the Pat fans would go crazy! Yes, they would... but then Browns fans went crazy when he got rid of Bernie in '93. And we stayed and for almost a whole year... until we made the playoffs.
- But Bernie is not Tom! To Browns fan he was. We did not know any better. We refused to see what Bill saw: diminished skills.
- But clearly Tom's skills are not diminished! Are we sure of that? Are we looking through Bill's eyes through Bill's eyes? Have we been in game plan sessions for years to witness a shift in planning? Would we even recognize a shift not preceded by, "Tom doesn't do that well enough anymore, so let's do this"?
- But the Pats are not the Browns! True. So it will take more than a playoff appearance to sooth Pat fans' ruffled feathers
- But clearly Bill plans to walk off into the sunset with Tom... doesn't he? Ah.... the last bullet ... "the Buddy system"... and the end of the bullet-points...
Setting aside the whole "never met a guy he wouldn't trade" argument made earlier, there is still the fact that there are people in this world who actually believe that Bill can't win without Tom.
I think that before he walks off into the sunset, Bill wants to prove them wrong. Bill turns 65 next month. Tick tock...
I was just looking a Brady's contract and after 2017 his "Cap Savings" turns positive. And his number, at the tail end of his last restructure, jumps from a "friendly" $14mm in 2017 to $22mm in 2018 and 2019.
http://overthecap.com/player/tom-brady/1250
Not that he's a cut candidate... just an observation... but it got me wondering harder about whether 2017 will be his last season as a Pat. It was a springboard, not an integral piece. The first integral piece is the renewed interest in keeping Jimmy G. Assuming it's real spending nearly $40mm/yr on QBs can hamstring even the Pats. But this thought is old news.
Setting aside the whole "never met a guy he wouldn't trade" argument made earlier, there is still the fact that there are people in this world who actually believe that Bill can't win without Tom.I think that before he walks off into the sunset, Bill wants to prove them wrong. Bill turns 65 next month. Tick tock...
I mentioned it in another thread Tour. Trading for Cooks with their #32 and more means the Patriots are all in to win the SB this season. I'm not buying that sets up the Jimmy trade to recoup the pick. The obvious reason is should Brady get hurt either for an extended period, or in the playoffs and Garropolo is on another team, that Super Bowl win goes "poof". Jacoby Brissett- that's the ticket to the Promised Land.
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I was just looking a Brady's contract and after 2017 his "Cap Savings" turns positive. And his number, at the tail end of his last restructure, jumps from a "friendly" $14mm in 2017 to $22mm in 2018 and 2019.
http://overthecap.com/player/tom-brady/1250
Not that he's a cut candidate... just an observation... but it got me wondering harder about whether 2017 will be his last season as a Pat. It was a springboard, not an integral piece. The first integral piece is the renewed interest in keeping Jimmy G. Assuming it's real spending nearly $40mm/yr on QBs can hamstring even the Pats. But this thought is old news.
Setting aside the whole "never met a guy he wouldn't trade" argument made earlier, there is still the fact that there are people in this world who actually believe that Bill can't win without Tom.I think that before he walks off into the sunset, Bill wants to prove them wrong. Bill turns 65 next month. Tick tock...
I mentioned it in another thread Tour. Trading for Cooks with their #32 and more means the Patriots are all in to win the SB this season. I'm not buying that sets up the Jimmy trade to recoup the pick. The obvious reason is should Brady get hurt either for an extended period, or in the playoffs and Garropolo is on another team, that Super Bowl win goes "poof". Jacoby Brissett- that's the ticket to the Promised Land.
I mentioned it in another thread Tour. Trading for Cooks with their #32 and more means the Patriots are all in to win the SB this season. I'm not buying that sets up the Jimmy trade to recoup the pick. The obvious reason is should Brady get hurt either for an extended period, or in the playoffs and Garropolo is on another team, that Super Bowl win goes "poof". Jacoby Brissett- that's the ticket to the Promised Land.
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That seemed almost like a Mercy trade. Byner committed "The Fumble".....lets get him out of here so that he does not have to be stigmatized and hassled by the fan base.
Byner was shipped out after he got called for two unsportsman-like conduct penalties in a row towards the end of a playoff game. It effectively killed our final drive and we lost the game.
Actually it was Marty's fault. I was yelling at the TV, "Get him outa there!". Anyone could see that he was out of his mind. But nope, Shotty let him stay in and get the second penalty.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
That seemed almost like a Mercy trade. Byner committed "The Fumble".....lets get him out of here so that he does not have to be stigmatized and hassled by the fan base.
Byner was shipped out after he got called for two unsportsman-like conduct penalties in a row towards the end of a playoff game. It effectively killed our final drive and we lost the game.
Actually it was Marty's fault. I was yelling at the TV, "Get him outa there!". Anyone could see that he was out of his mind. But nope, Shotty let him stay in and get the second penalty.
Byner was shipped out after he got called for two unsportsman-like conduct penalties in a row towards the end of a playoff game. It effectively killed our final drive and we lost the game.
Actually it was Marty's fault. I was yelling at the TV, "Get him outa there!". Anyone could see that he was out of his mind. But nope, Shotty let him stay in and get the second penalty.
Yeah it sucked. We should have beat the Oilers; ruined our Christmas Eve.
That was the game where Clay Matthews picked up Warren Moon's lateral, ran it into the end zone, and Jerry Seaman said "the whistle blew,incomplete pass." Browns lose 24-23
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In all fairness no one knew what would happen with Ernie Davis, winner of the Heisman Trophy. What a tragic loss.
In all fairness no one knew what would happen with Ernie Davis, winner of the Heisman Trophy. What a tragic loss.
Saddest thing Ag, with my medical background- if then was now, 95% chance he'd have been back on the field like Eric Berry. The '60s were Stone Age compared to what we know now on how to treat blood cancers.
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In all fairness no one knew what would happen with Ernie Davis, winner of the Heisman Trophy. What a tragic loss.
Saddest thing Ag, with my medical background- if then was now, 95% chance he'd have been back on the field like Eric Berry. The '60s were Stone Age compared to what we know now on how to treat blood cancers.
Saddest thing Ag, with my medical background- if then was now, 95% chance he'd have been back on the field like Eric Berry. The '60s were Stone Age compared to what we know now on how to treat blood cancers.
Yep, my mother's older brother for whom I was named died of pneumonia at age 17 about 3-4 years before penicillin came into mass use. And his grandfather was one of the pioneering MDs who founded Texas's first med school in Galveston in 1891. He could not save him or my mother's older sister who had died many years earlier during the big Spanish flu pandemic after WW I.
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That seemed almost like a Mercy trade. Byner committed "The Fumble".....lets get him out of here so that he does not have to be stigmatized and hassled by the fan base.
Byner was shipped out after he got called for two unsportsman-like conduct penalties in a row towards the end of a playoff game. It effectively killed our final drive and we lost the game.
Actually it was Marty's fault. I was yelling at the TV, "Get him outa there!". Anyone could see that he was out of his mind. But nope, Shotty let him stay in and get the second penalty.
Byner was shipped out after he got called for two unsportsman-like conduct penalties in a row towards the end of a playoff game. It effectively killed our final drive and we lost the game.
Actually it was Marty's fault. I was yelling at the TV, "Get him outa there!". Anyone could see that he was out of his mind. But nope, Shotty let him stay in and get the second penalty.
Was that the Houston WC game? I recall that. I think that was just absolute frustration on his part after his gaffe a year earlier was still weighing heavily on him.
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Words fail to express how much I'd hate this...
2017 NFL Mock Draft: Browns take Myles Garrett, trade 4 picks to Pats for Garoppolo
by Will Brinson
Browns send:- 2017 1st round pick (No. 12 overall)
- 2017 2nd round pick (No. 33 overall)
- 2017 2nd round pick (No. 52 overall)
- 2018 2nd round pick (TBD, Cleveland’s original)
Patriots send:
- QB Jimmy Garoppolo
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Words fail to express how much I'd hate this...
2017 NFL Mock Draft: Browns take Myles Garrett, trade 4 picks to Pats for Garoppolo
by Will Brinson
Browns send:- 2017 1st round pick (No. 12 overall)
- 2017 2nd round pick (No. 33 overall)
- 2017 2nd round pick (No. 52 overall)
- 2018 2nd round pick (TBD, Cleveland’s original)
Patriots send:
- QB Jimmy Garoppolo
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Words fail to express how much I'd hate this...
2017 NFL Mock Draft: Browns take Myles Garrett, trade 4 picks to Pats for Garoppolo
by Will Brinson
Browns send:- 2017 1st round pick (No. 12 overall)
- 2017 2nd round pick (No. 33 overall)
- 2017 2nd round pick (No. 52 overall)
- 2018 2nd round pick (TBD, Cleveland’s original)
Patriots send:
- QB Jimmy Garoppolo
Words fail to express how much I'd hate this...
2017 NFL Mock Draft: Browns take Myles Garrett, trade 4 picks to Pats for Garoppolo
by Will Brinson
Browns send:
- 2017 1st round pick (No. 12 overall)
- 2017 2nd round pick (No. 33 overall)
- 2017 2nd round pick (No. 52 overall)
- 2018 2nd round pick (TBD, Clevelands original)
Patriots send:
- QB Jimmy Garoppolo
This is worse than dick cancer.
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Hard to believe this FO would give up 4 high value draft picks for anyone that inexperienced.
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Words fail to express how much I'd hate this...
2017 NFL Mock Draft: Browns take Myles Garrett, trade 4 picks to Pats for Garoppolo
by Will Brinson
Browns send:- 2017 1st round pick (No. 12 overall)
- 2017 2nd round pick (No. 33 overall)
- 2017 2nd round pick (No. 52 overall)
- 2018 2nd round pick (TBD, Cleveland’s original)
Patriots send:
- QB Jimmy Garoppolo
Words fail to express how much I'd hate this...
2017 NFL Mock Draft: Browns take Myles Garrett, trade 4 picks to Pats for Garoppolo
by Will Brinson
Browns send:
- 2017 1st round pick (No. 12 overall)
- 2017 2nd round pick (No. 33 overall)
- 2017 2nd round pick (No. 52 overall)
- 2018 2nd round pick (TBD, Cleveland’s original)
Patriots send:
- QB Jimmy Garoppolo
That guy is on crack if he thinks the Browns will give up that much for Garropolo, or if it's somehow "fair". Not even sure if Sashi would give up that much if Bill offered us Tom Brady, at this stage of his career. Must be a Patriots fan. Not as bad as the Hershel Walker trade, but close.
Another one of the lame-brain responses "those Browns have lots of picks, they're just dying to throw them away on a backup quarterback". Especially since we just "bought" a second round pick off of Houston.
EDIT: LOL, didya read some of the comments on the article? Seems my initial observation was dead on.
"Brinson is eating peyote by the handfuls. This guy is spiraling into dementia. Biggest pile of dung since Blue the Ox."
"This dude is smoking crack.........why not just throw in the Brown's next 3 1st round picks........plus "One Million Dollars"......at least try to make your article somewhat realistic"
"Lord, switch to decaf and meth is really bad for you"
"Reading that article above makes me want to hang out with Will Brinson. His drug dealers got the good stuff, no question."
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Words fail to express how much I'd hate this...
2017 NFL Mock Draft: Browns take Myles Garrett, trade 4 picks to Pats for Garoppolo
by Will Brinson
Browns send:- 2017 1st round pick (No. 12 overall)
- 2017 2nd round pick (No. 33 overall)
- 2017 2nd round pick (No. 52 overall)
- 2018 2nd round pick (TBD, Cleveland’s original)
Patriots send:
- QB Jimmy Garoppolo
Words fail to express how much I'd hate this...
2017 NFL Mock Draft: Browns take Myles Garrett, trade 4 picks to Pats for Garoppolo
by Will Brinson
Browns send:
- 2017 1st round pick (No. 12 overall)
- 2017 2nd round pick (No. 33 overall)
- 2017 2nd round pick (No. 52 overall)
- 2018 2nd round pick (TBD, Clevelands original)
Patriots send:
- QB Jimmy Garoppolo
I'm guessing at least one of those words would be fuck.
WSS
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Words fail to express how much I'd hate this...
2017 NFL Mock Draft: Browns take Myles Garrett, trade 4 picks to Pats for Garoppolo
by Will Brinson
Browns send:
- 2017 1st round pick (No. 12 overall)
- 2017 2nd round pick (No. 33 overall)
- 2017 2nd round pick (No. 52 overall)
- 2018 2nd round pick (TBD, Clevelands original)
Patriots send:
- QB Jimmy Garoppolo
I'm guessing at least one of those words would be fuck.
WSS
I'm guessing at least one of those words would be fuck.
WSS
Especially since every pick Tour has made so far for the Browns has been on defense.
"I got my mind right boss."-Tour
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Words fail to express how much I'd hate this...
2017 NFL Mock Draft: Browns take Myles Garrett, trade 4 picks to Pats for Garoppolo
by Will Brinson
Browns send:- 2017 1st round pick (No. 12 overall)
- 2017 2nd round pick (No. 33 overall)
- 2017 2nd round pick (No. 52 overall)
- 2018 2nd round pick (TBD, Cleveland’s original)
Patriots send:
- QB Jimmy Garoppolo
Words fail to express how much I'd hate this...
2017 NFL Mock Draft: Browns take Myles Garrett, trade 4 picks to Pats for Garoppolo
by Will Brinson
Browns send:
- 2017 1st round pick (No. 12 overall)
- 2017 2nd round pick (No. 33 overall)
- 2017 2nd round pick (No. 52 overall)
- 2018 2nd round pick (TBD, Cleveland’s original)
Patriots send:
- QB Jimmy Garoppolo
I honestly don't believe the Browns would give up this much. While I want JG, NOT at the stated cost....Brinson's NUTS!
Mike
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@boo-fagley said:
A first for Tribinski is too much.
14 games in college? That a hope and prayer choice.
It's probably too much No Doubt. But if it works it's worth everything we spent. We still have all the second round picks and there is always a diamond to be found in the second round rough.
Bigger risk to trade away everything for Jimmy who might fall flat on his ass as an NFL starter on a team that is not the New England Patriots.
WSS
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Remember this. Sure Mitch is probably the guy that's the consensus most ready to play but don't forget that because he's a Cleveland guy he will get at least one or two years longer honeymoon with the Browns.
WSS
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