Division in the Browns over Kizer?
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Is noone ever happy? We dont draft a qb, people bitch. We draft the 4th best rated in the 2nd round people complain.
Is noone ever happy? We dont draft a qb, people bitch. We draft the 4th best rated in the 2nd round people complain.
Different strokes for different folks.....that will never change.....
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So Ghoolie was right again, we took black Tarkenton.
So Ghoolie was right again, we took black Tarkenton.
Again, I hope so.....Tarkenton only took his team to 3 Super Bowls, and at one time he was the most prolific passer in NFL history until he got surpassed by guys that came after the rules to aid the passing game and making it harder on defenses came along.
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Well I don't want to bring up job security for Hue but this is just another check AGAINST Jackson. Not that I feel like its even a big deal if we let Hue go at this point most of his Hand Picked staff has been replaced already. Combine that with the fact we have Williams on staff who is a more than adequate replacement.
But hey maybe Kiser does what no other QB has done before and gets more accurate in the nfl and plays great and the whole world says "wow that was statistically unlikely as hell! Glad he worked out."
Of all the players we drafted in these past 2 drafts he is the only one that really stands out against the rest.
Hue Banged on the table for Rg3 and then he banged on the table for this kid outta ND well hopefully it won't cost him hia job. I still think Hue is a pretty good O Coordinator. His Talent evaluation is pretty questionable though.
But hey maybe Kiser does what no other QB has done before and gets more accurate in the nfl and plays great and the whole world says "wow that was statistically unlikely as hell! Glad he worked out."
I keep reading that Kizer is "inaccurate", but... he's a career 60.7% passer with a 148 rating and a 2.5:1 TD to INT ratio... and that's after a "bad" 2016 season on a bad team.
Well I have been of the opinion all along to build this D and forget the QB in the weak class.
And you've had plenty of company in that opinion, Ag...
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@boo-fagley said:
Kizer is known for his feet.
1000-yds in two seasons gets you "known" today?
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Is noone ever happy? We dont draft a qb, people bitch. We draft the 4th best rated in the 2nd round people complain.
Is noone ever happy? We dont draft a qb, people bitch. We draft the 4th best rated in the 2nd round people complain.
I'll take 1st best in 2018, over 4th best (some had 17th best) in 2017 any time. Thank you very much.
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Is noone ever happy? We dont draft a qb, people bitch. We draft the 4th best rated in the 2nd round people complain.
I'll take 1st best in 2018, over 4th best (some had 17th best) in 2017 any time. Thank you very much.
we're going to need a decent back up for next year's QBI'll take 1st best in 2018, over 4th best (some had 17th best) in 2017 any time. Thank you very much.
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Is noone ever happy? We dont draft a qb, people bitch. We draft the 4th best rated in the 2nd round people complain.
I'll take 1st best in 2018, over 4th best (some had 17th best) in 2017 any time. Thank you very much.
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Pretty bad article. Clearly agenda driven. Not worth putting much stock into.
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So Ghoolie was right again, we took black Tarkenton.
So Ghoolie was right again, we took black Tarkenton.
Without the accuracy and with the bad attitude.
Shit.
WSS
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So Ghoolie was right again, we took black Tarkenton.
So Ghoolie was right again, we took black Tarkenton.
Without the accuracy and with the bad attitude.
Shit.
WSS
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Fat ass you just called a guy who has yet to play a single snap in the nfl who only played like 13 college games for North Carolina no less, hall of fame bound. If you had any credibility you would have lost it right there.
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hate the kizer pick BUT also thought the cowboys picking prescott was whack.
not all of us 'genious' fans know everything about everything, unless of course, you wanna know about pussy..........
just sayin. #'s in da book.
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But hey maybe Kiser does what no other QB has done before and gets more accurate in the nfl and plays great and the whole world says "wow that was statistically unlikely as hell! Glad he worked out."
I keep reading that Kizer is "inaccurate", but... he's a career 60.7% passer with a 148 rating and a 2.5:1 TD to INT ratio... and that's after a "bad" 2016 season on a bad team.
Well I have been of the opinion all along to build this D and forget the QB in the weak class.
And you've had plenty of company in that opinion, Ag...
I keep reading that Kizer is "inaccurate", but... he's a career 60.7% passer with a 148 rating and a 2.5:1 TD to INT ratio... and that's after a "bad" 2016 season on a bad team.
And you've had plenty of company in that opinion, Ag...
Compared to the other top QB prospects I think 60% is low. MT and others had about a 69% completion rate. And I know MT had a much better TD to Int. rate....though I don't think that Mahomes...with all the risks he took, nor Watson had a much better TD/Int ratio than Kizer. Perhaps worse even.
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we're going to need a decent back up for next year's QB
Projection: The Big B.O. starts. Kessler backs up. Kizer is a lady in waiting. That is perhaps the way it should be.
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@ghoolie said:
Van Broklin was asked what he thought of Tarkenton.................he replied " he's great if you like 3'd and 20" (something very close to that)
Tarkenton was a bitch for the better NFL teams. He played in a weak part of the league which put the Vikings in championship games automatically. In those games, the ones that matter, he was a fucking catastrophe. Did he pass for a lot of touchdowns and yards? Yep. SO did his superior, Vinny Testeverde. So I guess Vinny is going to the HOF too? Tarkento was so goof, the Vikings traded him to the Giants, who then got sick of his shit and sent him back to the Vikings.
Finally, when the Vikings were rid of him, when Joe Capp started, the VIkings finally won a championship.
Uh no. For accuracy sakes actually....Joe Kapp took the Vikings to their first SB....and lost to the underdog Chiefs. That is when the Vikings got Tark back...and he took them to 3 more SBs. Now, he lost to the Steelers, Raiders and Cowboys.....but he did get there 3 times.
Deshone, DeShaun, DeShit, DeFran...................... it's all the same fucking thing. Run first quarterbacks all suck. There will never be a 'Tarkenton" white, black or Sumo that is going to amount to a pile of donkey shit in the NFL.
Can Kizer overcome himself and his poor coaching? Sure he can. Human beings are capable of amazing things. But the chances of this happening? They are about the same Zomblow as a woman not laughing at you when you take your panties off.
Kizer is a 1 dollar lottery ticket, and nothing more. By all means, support him, cheer him, but dude, don't fucking talk football as if the guy has all the tools and smarts of a classic NFL draft pick like Mitch HOF bound Trubisky.
Oh....I for one am NOT really counting on Kizer to be the future of this team honestly, any more than I am counting on Kessler. Brock Osweiler may turn out to be better than both.
But...the possible unfortunate thing about taking Kizer is that it may mean that the Browns will not be in the market for a QB in next year's first round.
(Which...to me means that it will STILL be a long time before we actually get a quality franchise QB on this team.)
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But if we aren't in the market for a quarterback next year-and we suck for the 3rd year-in a row this administration will most certainly be on their way-out the door. And probly Kizer with them.
And we'll have pissed away a two first round season in which we could have had one.
WSS
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If the 2018 QB class ends up close to its preliminary billing, then we are going to have to have one of our rostered QBs exceed even his most ardently optimistic backer's expectations here to not be in the QB market next year.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
If the 2018 QB class ends up close to its preliminary billing, then we are going to have to have one of our rostered QBs exceed even his most ardently optimistic backer's expectations here to not be in the QB market next year.
If the 2018 QB class ends up close to its preliminary billing, then we are going to have to have one of our rostered QBs exceed even his most ardently optimistic backer's expectations here to not be in the QB market next year.
True....but, I just don't think that will happen. Osweiler is a step ahead of Brandon Weeden, imo. Kessler is the second coming of Paul McDonald. And Kizer...too raw, too unknown...and will NOT be able to be properly evaluated before the draft next year. He is a bench jockey for now.
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If the 2018 QB class ends up close to its preliminary billing, then we are going to have to have one of our rostered QBs exceed even his most ardently optimistic backer's expectations here to not be in the QB market next year.
If the 2018 QB class ends up close to its preliminary billing, then we are going to have to have one of our rostered QBs exceed even his most ardently optimistic backer's expectations here to not be in the QB market next year.
Unless coach Jackson has his back. Will 4 and 12 be enough progress? 5 and 11? And as far as next year as quarterback class being as good as expected, well, it never is is it? Last year Watson was going to be the next Andrew Luck.
WSS
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If the 2018 QB class ends up close to its preliminary billing, then we are going to have to have one of our rostered QBs exceed even his most ardently optimistic backer's expectations here to not be in the QB market next year.
Unless coach Jackson has his back. Will 4 and 12 be enough progress? 5 and 11? And as far as next year as quarterback class being as good as expected, well, it never is is it? Last year Watson was going to be the next Andrew Luck.
WSS
Unless coach Jackson has his back. Will 4 and 12 be enough progress? 5 and 11? And as far as next year as quarterback class being as good as expected, well, it never is is it? Last year Watson was going to be the next Andrew Luck.
Never? No. Rarely? Not quite. Infrequently? Close enough... and there's a difference between hype and assessment.
The team record will be the last thing Hue or or FO will use to evaluate our QB(s). Hue will back whomever best executes his offense.
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