On Election Eve the Repub Congressional Candidate for Montana's Only House Seat "BodySlams" Reporter
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The article I posted only pointed out the hypocrisy in the liberal media. If you read it that should have been clear. In no place was the assault being condoned. In fact the article even stated there was a good argument not to vote for Gianforte over the incident.
BTW - weren't you the guy who giddily posted about Trump supporters getting beat up...if you check prior threads I am sure it was you Cleve.
Do we just forget Fox News' coverage of the Bush Administration? How about Rush, Bill, Glenn & Hannity? These all unbiased far right journalists? Can we at least be honest in here.
Do we just forget Fox News' coverage of the Bush Administration? How about Rush, Bill, Glenn & Hannity? These all unbiased far right journalists? Can we at least be honest in here.
Rush Limbaugh: not a journalist, never claimed to be one.
Bill O'Reilly: not a journalist, never claimed to be one.
Sean Hannity: not a journalist, never claimed to be one.
Glen Beck: Not a journalist, never claimed to be one.
These guys are commentators. They give out their opinions and they are free to do so because they only claim to be commentators and not journalists. It is on the left where journalists have gone off the rails of being unbiased reporters to activists and making commentary when journalists should not be doing that.
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Cal, so if a person differs just on one thing they are a liberal? Even if they are for small government, fiscal conservatism, pro 2nd Am. etc.? Logic would be that then means any person who identifies as liberal but is pro-life would be a conservative.
Am I missing something or are you just fishing to get one on Tia?
This is because home girl ain't a conservative or centrist, he's been pushed so far alt right that anything reasonable he has the option of respectfully disagreeing with is dirty and liberal. A man so hell bent against marxism, communism and socialism. Though I'm sure he draws SS at his age.Cal, so if a person differs just on one thing they are a liberal? Even if they are for small government, fiscal conservatism, pro 2nd Am. etc.? Logic would be that then means any person who identifies as liberal but is pro-life would be a conservative.
Am I missing something or are you just fishing to get one on Tia?
I believe in limiting government (especially federal) hands when and whereever reasonable and possible. That is the hallmark of comversative as it were. This is the smell test Cal doesn't pass and why he isn't my people - I don't give a flying fuck about gay marriage. If the queer couple down the road keeps their home nice thus positively impacting property values in my area, I'm good. The rest is none of my business and again, simply don't care. The government should have no say in that as I'm all for getting them out of.marriage all together in essence.
Cal would shed tears of joy to even think an EO that banned gay marriage could be legally upheld. Or that in the perfect, Christian American it would be made illegal entirely.
Because he's good with big brother determining morality and legislating when it suits his beliefs.
False conservative. False republican. He's Alt right Christian. Nothing more.
My stance is at least consistent.
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Cal is a FAKE conservative? Hmmm, good point.
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Cal, so if a person differs just on one thing they are a liberal? Even if they are for small government, fiscal conservatism, pro 2nd Am. etc.? Logic would be that then means any person who identifies as liberal but is pro-life would be a conservative.
Am I missing something or are you just fishing to get one on Tia?
Cal, so if a person differs just on one thing they are a liberal? Even if they are for small government, fiscal conservatism, pro 2nd Am. etc.? Logic would be that then means any person who identifies as liberal but is pro-life would be a conservative.
Am I missing something or are you just fishing to get one on Tia?
You know this answer. If you've ever presented a differing opinion on ANYTHING, you've been called a liberal.
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Do we just forget Fox News' coverage of the Bush Administration? How about Rush, Bill, Glenn & Hannity? These all unbiased far right journalists? Can we at least be honest in here.
Rush Limbaugh: not a journalist, never claimed to be one.
Bill O'Reilly: not a journalist, never claimed to be one.
Sean Hannity: not a journalist, never claimed to be one.
Glen Beck: Not a journalist, never claimed to be one.
These guys are commentators. They give out their opinions and they are free to do so because they only claim to be commentators and not journalists. It is on the left where journalists have gone off the rails of being unbiased reporters to activists and making commentary when journalists should not be doing that.
Rush Limbaugh: not a journalist, never claimed to be one.
Bill O'Reilly: not a journalist, never claimed to be one.
Sean Hannity: not a journalist, never claimed to be one.
Glen Beck: Not a journalist, never claimed to be one.
These guys are commentators. They give out their opinions and they are free to do so because they only claim to be commentators and not journalists. It is on the left where journalists have gone off the rails of being unbiased reporters to activists and making commentary when journalists should not be doing that.
I started with Beck. First link...
And let's be real, these people are on a NEWS station. Whether or not they call themselves journalists, their viewers treat them as such.
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Rush Limbaugh: not a journalist, never claimed to be one.
Bill O'Reilly: not a journalist, never claimed to be one.
Sean Hannity: not a journalist, never claimed to be one.
Glen Beck: Not a journalist, never claimed to be one.
These guys are commentators. They give out their opinions and they are free to do so because they only claim to be commentators and not journalists. It is on the left where journalists have gone off the rails of being unbiased reporters to activists and making commentary when journalists should not be doing that.
I started with Beck. First link...
And let's be real, these people are on a NEWS station. Whether or not they call themselves journalists, their viewers treat them as such.
The difference between reporting and commentaryI started with Beck. First link...
And let's be real, these people are on a NEWS station. Whether or not they call themselves journalists, their viewers treat them as such.
Journalists are held to a very high standard of ethics and are expected to meet that standard on a daily basis. It is a fair assumption to make; after all, we are trusted to report the truth of what is happening in the world we live in, and what we say carries an enormous impact.
The public has a right to expect the best from us. But the public also needs to be aware of a particularly distinct division between journalists when they seek to enforce a standard of excellence.
The primary division between us is that of reporters and commentators, which essentially splits us into the “news” section of the newspaper, and the “opinion” section. More often than not, the public treats both sections as if they are one and the same.
I’ll be blunt: they are not the same thing. I do not report the news; I give my opinion on the news. The Collegian’s reporters report the news; they do not give their opinions on it. To insinuate otherwise does a disservice to both you the reader and the newspaper as a whole.
There are different standards for each desk. Reporters are expected to seek the truth and report it, usually as it happens or shortly after it happens. They must, therefore, find as many aspects of a story as they can. If there is a conflict (and usually there is) they must fairly represent both sides of that conflict where possible. Both sides have a unique angle to add to the story, and the public needs that to make up their own minds about the story.
For columnists, the news has already been reported and our job is to provide our perspective on it. If there is a conflict involved in the news, we tend to fall on one side or the other and we structure our opinions accordingly. Our job is to provide a bit of color to the story, share a unique perspective on the story, or explain why we think the story is a non-issue.
We take sides because that is what we are supposed to do. That’s our job. You don’t look for an opinion columnist that doesn’t express an opinion; that’s like looking for a teacher that doesn’t teach, or a taxi driver that doesn’t drive a taxi.
I tend to see examples of people falsely equating news and opinion when they start complaining about bias in the media. My liberal friends complain that FOX News is biased because of people like Bill O’Reilly and Sean Hannity. My conservative friends complain that MSNBC is biased because of people like Rachel Maddow and Ed Shultz. Are these people biased? Definitely. Are they reporters? Not by any stretch of the imagination. Their job is to say, “I’m a liberal/conservative and here’s what I think of the news,” not, “Here is objective news.”
News and opinion writers both publish articles they believe to be the truth about an issue. But here’s the difference: reporters would cover a debate about gay marriage, whereas columnists would take one side or another — sometimes neither.
Does this mean that we are forgiven for poor fact checking, or simply making things up? No, absolutely not. Our opinions would have no weight otherwise, and nobody (not just the people who disagree with us) could take us seriously. Columnists adhere to the same standard of accuracy that reporters do (we do make mistakes from time to time, but we’re human just like everyone else) — we just look at the world through a particular lens.
There are many, many valid complaints to be made about commentators like my staff and me. I’ve heard a lot of them in the relatively short time that I’ve been at the Collegian and they are definitely complaints that I myself have made before arriving here.
Are we sometimes given more influence than we should have? Yes. Do we sometimes come off as arrogant and dismissive? You betcha. (Although, to be fair, that’s a complaint that fits just about anyone who works in the public spotlight). Do we occasionally give the impression that we have an axe to grind? Sure.
But that’s what we are supposed to do. Conflating us with reporters does you a disservice. If you’re looking for news in the opinion section, you’re going to be disappointed. If you point to the opinion section as a poor standard of reporting, you’d be correct because we aren’t reporting.
There is a big difference. Knowing that difference helps you become a more savvy media consumer, which is something that we sorely need in today’s society.
https://collegian.com/2013/02/the-difference-between-reporting-and-commentary/
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Right, great copy and paste.
You said he never claimed to be. He clearly has. It's on video.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Do we just forget Fox News' coverage of the Bush Administration? How about Rush, Bill, Glenn & Hannity? These all unbiased far right journalists? Can we at least be honest in here.
Rush Limbaugh: not a journalist, never claimed to be one.
Bill O'Reilly: not a journalist, never claimed to be one.
Sean Hannity: not a journalist, never claimed to be one.
Glen Beck: Not a journalist, never claimed to be one.
These guys are commentators. They give out their opinions and they are free to do so because they only claim to be commentators and not journalists. It is on the left where journalists have gone off the rails of being unbiased reporters to activists and making commentary when journalists should not be doing that.
Rush Limbaugh: not a journalist, never claimed to be one.
Bill O'Reilly: not a journalist, never claimed to be one.
Sean Hannity: not a journalist, never claimed to be one.
Glen Beck: Not a journalist, never claimed to be one.
These guys are commentators. They give out their opinions and they are free to do so because they only claim to be commentators and not journalists. It is on the left where journalists have gone off the rails of being unbiased reporters to activists and making commentary when journalists should not be doing that.
They were on Fox News not Fox Commentary
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Right, great copy and paste.
You said he never claimed to be. He clearly has. It's on video.
Right, great copy and paste.
You said he never claimed to be. He clearly has. It's on video.
Its srsly time to stop conversing with "those people". Obf is obviously one of them. Im dead serious is there another browns board that has a poly section and isnt populated by whining snowflakes protected by board admins?
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Rush Limbaugh: not a journalist, never claimed to be one.
Bill O'Reilly: not a journalist, never claimed to be one.
Sean Hannity: not a journalist, never claimed to be one.
Glen Beck: Not a journalist, never claimed to be one.
These guys are commentators. They give out their opinions and they are free to do so because they only claim to be commentators and not journalists. It is on the left where journalists have gone off the rails of being unbiased reporters to activists and making commentary when journalists should not be doing that.
They were on Fox News not Fox Commentary
They were on Fox News not Fox Commentary
And Fox news is separated with their hard news dept and those who do commentary and editorials.
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Right, great copy and paste.
You said he never claimed to be. He clearly has. It's on video.
Its srsly time to stop conversing with "those people". Obf is obviously one of them. Im dead serious is there another browns board that has a poly section and isnt populated by whining snowflakes protected by board admins?
Its srsly time to stop conversing with "those people". Obf is obviously one of them. Im dead serious is there another browns board that has a poly section and isnt populated by whining snowflakes protected by board admins?
Cleve read your own post^^^^^ Who is acting like the snowflake?
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OBF, will you acknowledge that Beck referred to himself as a journalist or not?
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Right, great copy and paste.
You said he never claimed to be. He clearly has. It's on video.
Right, great copy and paste.
You said he never claimed to be. He clearly has. It's on video.
I copy and paste for those who don't read the links which you didn't do as what I copied and pasted clearly laid out the differences between those who do commentary versus those who are journalists.
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OBF, will you acknowledge that Beck referred to himself as a journalist or not?
If Beck refers to himself as a journalist and he gives his opinions on subjects (which he does) then by definition he is not a journalist whether he claims it or not.
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Do we just forget Fox News' coverage of the Bush Administration? How about Rush, Bill, Glenn & Hannity? These all unbiased far right journalists? Can we at least be honest in here.
Rush Limbaugh: not a journalist, never claimed to be one.
Bill O'Reilly: not a journalist, never claimed to be one.
Sean Hannity: not a journalist, never claimed to be one.
Glen Beck: Not a journalist, never claimed to be one.
These guys are commentators. They give out their opinions and they are free to do so because they only claim to be commentators and not journalists. It is on the left where journalists have gone off the rails of being unbiased reporters to activists and making commentary when journalists should not be doing that.
ugh.... AND I QUOTE
Glen Beck: Not a journalist, never claimed to be one.
This is objectively false. I posted a video where Beck refers to himself as a journalist.
Will you admit that you were incorrect?
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
So by def then hardly anybody on tv is a "journalist". So no more complaining about the msm
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ugh.... AND I QUOTE
Glen Beck: Not a journalist, never claimed to be one.
This is objectively false. I posted a video where Beck refers to himself as a journalist.
Will you admit that you were incorrect?
ugh.... AND I QUOTE
This is objectively false. I posted a video where Beck refers to himself as a journalist.
Will you admit that you were incorrect?
LOL Woody I was correct and incorrect. None of those guys are journalists but it looks like Beck at one time claimed to be one (and at other times claimed he wasn't) when by definition he is not. BTW - nobody I saw was buying that Beck was a journalist either.
By definition of what journalists are you can see with the biased reporting today there are few real journalists out there. Real journalists don't take sides or report 90 percent negative stories about Trump because they don't like him.
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So by def then hardly anybody on tv is a "journalist". So no more complaining about the msm
So by def then hardly anybody on tv is a "journalist". So no more complaining about the msm
Too many claim to be journalists today when they aren't. My primary complaint is the dishonesty among those who call themselves journalists. I don't have a problem with commentators because they are not being dishonest. Too much dishonest reporting is going on today.
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Any good P I attorney will tell you to go to straight to the emergency room.
He should probably sue Donald Trump because according to the left wing media it's his fault.
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WSS
Any good P I attorney will tell you to go to straight to the emergency room.
He should probably sue Donald Trump because according to the left wing media it's his fault.
Our President certainly was a tone setter during the campaign. Although last I heard he's yet to pick up the legal fees for a couple "supporters". But what's one more campaign promise down the drain.
It is hard for democrats to win in Montana but Montana does have a democrat governor.
What may have really helped the republican Gianforte was the early voting with most voters already having voted before the assault incident. But early voting is something the democrats always want because it helps them but in this case it hurt them. How many would have switched their votes on election day if they had the chance?
... and one of Montana's two US Senators is a Dem... Testor... who IIRC was a former Governor.
The early voting certainly did not hurt Gianforte's chances, but there was a disappointing amount of "deserved it" evident in voter interviews. But since we needed another billionaire in Congress, I guess the right man won...
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Any good P I attorney will tell you to go to straight to the emergency room.
He should probably sue Donald Trump because according to the left wing media it's his fault.
Our President certainly was a tone setter during the campaign. Although last I heard he's yet to pick up the legal fees for a couple "supporters". But what's one more campaign promise down the drain.
It is hard for democrats to win in Montana but Montana does have a democrat governor.
What may have really helped the republican Gianforte was the early voting with most voters already having voted before the assault incident. But early voting is something the democrats always want because it helps them but in this case it hurt them. How many would have switched their votes on election day if they had the chance?
... and one of Montana's two US Senators is a Dem... Testor... who IIRC was a former Governor.
The early voting certainly did not hurt Gianforte's chances, but there was a disappointing amount of "deserved it" evident in voter interviews. But since we needed another billionaire in Congress, I guess the right man won...
Our President certainly was a tone setter during the campaign. Although last I heard he's yet to pick up the legal fees for a couple "supporters". But what's one more campaign promise down the drain.
... and one of Montana's two US Senators is a Dem... Testor... who IIRC was a former Governor.
The early voting certainly did not hurt Gianforte's chances, but there was a disappointing amount of "deserved it" evident in voter interviews. But since we needed another billionaire in Congress, I guess the right man won...
...or Montana didn't want another socialist in congress?
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