Orchard moving to DE Kirksey to OLB
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That is why I say that Dez Bryant will likely be on the chopping block. At this point he may not fit their computer model.
i probably agree. Way too much depth at DE so he'll have to compete with some very good young DT's to see the field much.
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That is why I say that Dez Bryant will likely be on the chopping block. At this point he may not fit their computer model.
i probably agree. Way too much depth at DE so he'll have to compete with some very good young DT's to see the field much.
i probably agree. Way too much depth at DE so he'll have to compete with some very good young DT's to see the field much.
Whom? Not Danny, he's locked in at the nose and doesn't threaten getting by guards like Des.
Jobi is the rookie rotational man at the spot. Meder swings between the two.
Bryant may be a roster casualty, but it won't be until a competent 3tech and depth is established.
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i probably agree. Way too much depth at DE so he'll have to compete with some very good young DT's to see the field much.
Whom? Not Danny, he's locked in at the nose and doesn't threaten getting by guards like Des.
Jobi is the rookie rotational man at the spot. Meder swings between the two.
Bryant may be a roster casualty, but it won't be until a competent 3tech and depth is established.
Whom? Not Danny, he's locked in at the nose and doesn't threaten getting by guards like Des.
Jobi is the rookie rotational man at the spot. Meder swings between the two.
Bryant may be a roster casualty, but it won't be until a competent 3tech and depth is established.
Agreed Tia, Danny's not going anywhere. Jobi is a bull-dozing 3tech tank..straight forward..but check out Jobi's tape & watch his lateral foot work/movement? Williams has got some work on him just like any other draftee..but Williams did have his hands on him at senior bowl
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i probably agree. Way too much depth at DE so he'll have to compete with some very good young DT's to see the field much.
Whom? Not Danny, he's locked in at the nose and doesn't threaten getting by guards like Des.
Jobi is the rookie rotational man at the spot. Meder swings between the two.
Bryant may be a roster casualty, but it won't be until a competent 3tech and depth is established.
Whom? Not Danny, he's locked in at the nose and doesn't threaten getting by guards like Des.
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You really think williams is going to runnalot of 3-4 looks? I dont see it. Dannys not gonna be lined up over center much if at all imo. Williams is one of the best 4-3 DC's in football,
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You really think williams is going to runnalot of 3-4 looks? I dont see it. Dannys not gonna be lined up over center much if at all imo. Williams is one of the best 4-3 DC's in football,
I think you need to verse yourself on an 'over' call, bud... I'd venture we see it quite a bit.
Even then, playing the nose guard position doesn't mean lining up as a 0tech. He can draw double teams between the center and guard.
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4-3 DE for Orchard.....should be a good fit.....(fingers crossed)....and, yeah, lets hope he DOES beat out the older - over paid Bryant.....that would be a sign of improvement on a line that has performed poorly....(consistently).....
Sir Mud, all we got to go on is the last time we saw Orch..It was a preseason game at GB after Hue stated all previous draftees would be re-evaluated..May not mean a thing**** but why was Orch out there still playing with 3rd & 4th on depth chart in 4th qtr??..we shall see, it is not Horton's defense
Why?..
.........because this FO put their guys in well before they earned the position......Schobert did nothing, yet was rewarded with a starting position(which he promptly lost to a UDFA we had already cut, then "needed" to re-sign.....
Des Bryant?
Both.....A Bryant on the coverage comment.....got burned covering a TE(once) and we cried and cried for weeks(months?) about it....acting as if an OLB shouldnt be asked to cover a TE......
Not for nothin' but I ain't ever seen Orchard do much of anything.
We have a new D-Coordinator, so, all bets might be off.
Much of anything?.....in 6 or 7 starts ever?......started 3 games....did ok.....then came on with 3 sacks in the last 4 games.....so, by my count, he sacked the QB in 50% of his starts, as a rookie.....
Pretty good, if yer askin me....(certainly not cutting material).....of course, with this FO, maybe it is.....
What is Bryant anyway? A DE, a DT. A hybrid?
yes
Bryant may be a roster casualty, but it won't be until a competent 3tech and depth is established.
Hmmm....I dont know.....Shashi tends to lose them well ahead of establishing depth or who the replacement might be.....just ask Gipson, Whitner, Kruges, Orchard, Mingo, Hawkins, Gabriel, Hartline, Schwartz, Mack, etc etc etc.....
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Why?..
.........because this FO put their guys in well before they earned the position......Schobert did nothing, yet was rewarded with a starting position(which he promptly lost to a UDFA we had already cut, then "needed" to re-sign.....
Des Bryant?
Both.....A Bryant on the coverage comment.....got burned covering a TE(once) and we cried and cried for weeks(months?) about it....acting as if an OLB shouldnt be asked to cover a TE......
Not for nothin' but I ain't ever seen Orchard do much of anything.
We have a new D-Coordinator, so, all bets might be off.
Much of anything?.....in 6 or 7 starts ever?......started 3 games....did ok.....then came on with 3 sacks in the last 4 games.....so, by my count, he sacked the QB in 50% of his starts, as a rookie.....
Pretty good, if yer askin me....(certainly not cutting material).....of course, with this FO, maybe it is.....
What is Bryant anyway? A DE, a DT. A hybrid?
yes
Bryant may be a roster casualty, but it won't be until a competent 3tech and depth is established.
Hmmm....I dont know.....Shashi tends to lose them well ahead of establishing depth or who the replacement might be.....just ask Gipson, Whitner, Kruges, Orchard, Mingo, Hawkins, Gabriel, Hartline, Schwartz, Mack, etc etc etc.....
.........because this FO put their guys in well before they earned the position......Schobert did nothing, yet was rewarded with a starting position(which he promptly lost to a UDFA we had already cut, then "needed" to re-sign.....
Who was that?
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Cam Johnson.....cut, then signed in week 4 and then installed as starter over Schobert.....
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Yeah... even that one flew over my head... standing on a chair.
On the numbers game... keep maybe 9 DL? Four pure DTs and DEs and one swingman? And Orchard as a DE/LB swingman helps as well...
DTs (tech)
- Danny (0/1)
- Meder (0-3)
- Ojund (1-5)
- Brantley (3/5)
DEs (tech)
- Myles (5-9)
- Ogbah (5-7)
- Nassib (5-7)
- Orchard (7/9/LB)
Swing (tech)
- Bryant (3-7)
Seems a reasonble blend...
Seems fair. Will they keep that many? If so, we will have to add an O to the GOOONS squad. Or to the GOOOMBaS.
Seems fair. Will they keep that many? If so, we will have to add an O to the GOOONS squad. Or to the GOOOMBaS.
Or...
DOOOMSquad!
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Danny
Ogunjobi
Ogbah
Orchard
Meder
Sacksquad
Kinda originally added Shelton on the end by accident but it kinda still works.
-been gone for a week but just got back from Columbus last night, can't wait to get back on here though!~ Super excited about this season. The talent is EVERYWHERE. I fucking LOVE the way this defense is starting to look. And THE OFFENSE!>? Wow, I'm stoked by our young QB group. I think that this could be the best crop of QBs that we've had for a long time. This is sorta draggin on so, yeah; excited, excited, excited!
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
Why?..
.........because this FO put their guys in well before they earned the position......Schobert did nothing, yet was rewarded with a starting position(which he promptly lost to a UDFA we had already cut, then "needed" to re-sign.....
Des Bryant?
Both.....A Bryant on the coverage comment.....got burned covering a TE(once) and we cried and cried for weeks(months?) about it....acting as if an OLB shouldnt be asked to cover a TE......
Not for nothin' but I ain't ever seen Orchard do much of anything.
We have a new D-Coordinator, so, all bets might be off.
Much of anything?.....in 6 or 7 starts ever?......started 3 games....did ok.....then came on with 3 sacks in the last 4 games.....so, by my count, he sacked the QB in 50% of his starts, as a rookie.....
Pretty good, if yer askin me....(certainly not cutting material).....of course, with this FO, maybe it is.....
What is Bryant anyway? A DE, a DT. A hybrid?
yes
Bryant may be a roster casualty, but it won't be until a competent 3tech and depth is established.
Hmmm....I dont know.....Shashi tends to lose them well ahead of establishing depth or who the replacement might be.....just ask Gipson, Whitner, Kruges, Orchard, Mingo, Hawkins, Gabriel, Hartline, Schwartz, Mack, etc etc etc.....
.........because this FO put their guys in well before they earned the position......Schobert did nothing, yet was rewarded with a starting position(which he promptly lost to a UDFA we had already cut, then "needed" to re-sign.....
Hmmm....I dont know.....Shashi tends to lose them well ahead of establishing depth or who the replacement might be.....just ask Gipson, Whitner, Kruges, Orchard, Mingo, Hawkins, Gabriel, Hartline, Schwartz, Mack, etc etc etc.....
Greg Robertson says hello..The Hue's war cry was they would all including the Erving's of the world get a chance to prove their worth..Schobert & Cam will be interesting cut desicisions on the FO that drafted them than not..tic tic boom
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Danny
Ogunjobi
Ogbah
Orchard
Meder
Sacksquad
Kinda originally added Shelton on the end by accident but it kinda still works.
-been gone for a week but just got back from Columbus last night, can't wait to get back on here though!~ Super excited about this season. The talent is EVERYWHERE. I fucking LOVE the way this defense is starting to look. And THE OFFENSE!>? Wow, I'm stoked by our young QB group. I think that this could be the best crop of QBs that we've had for a long time. This is sorta draggin on so, yeah; excited, excited, excited!
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You really think williams is going to runnalot of 3-4 looks? I dont see it. Dannys not gonna be lined up over center much if at all imo. Williams is one of the best 4-3 DC's in football,
I think you need to verse yourself on an 'over' call, bud... I'd venture we see it quite a bit.
Even then, playing the nose guard position doesn't mean lining up as a 0tech. He can draw double teams between the center and guard.
I think you need to verse yourself on an 'over' call, bud... I'd venture we see it quite a bit.
Even then, playing the nose guard position doesn't mean lining up as a 0tech. He can draw double teams between the center and guard.
Thats what i thought the over meant, one gapping the bigger DT, between guard annd center like u said. Is that wrong?
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You guys seeem to fail to realize that our entire front 7 (almost) will be switching back to their natural positions in a 4-3. The OP is not news, it was clearly going to happen based on a new system.
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Cleveland Browns have Terry Talkin' (Kirksey) -- Terry Pluto (photos)
Posted on May 27, 2017 at 7:42 AM
By Terry Pluto, The Plain Dealer
ABOUT KIRKSEY AND CROWELL
The Browns believe these two players are ready to make a significant step forward.
Christian Kirksey became a starting linebacker in 2016 and impressed with his energy and toughness. The Browns love his attitude.
While Kirksey declined to discuss his contract situation, I hear the Browns are making progress in signing him to an extension. It's not done. But Kirksey does want to stay. He has one more year on his 2014 rookie contract.
The Browns starting linebackers in the 4-3 defense look like Jamie Collins and Kirksey at the outside linebackers, Demario Davis as the middle linebacker. At least, that's how Gregg Williams opened his defense at the OTA.
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An article on the struggle Orchard faces has been released today
http://nflspinzone.com/2017/05/27/cleveland-browns-nate-orchard-difficult-road/
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An article on the struggle Orchard faces has been released today
http://nflspinzone.com/2017/05/27/cleveland-browns-nate-orchard-difficult-road/
An article on the struggle Orchard faces has been released today
http://nflspinzone.com/2017/05/27/cleveland-browns-nate-orchard-difficult-road/
I did not think Holmes was that big of a threat... We shall see.
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Speaking of Des Bryant... and we were somewhere here...
Also note embedded links to the same question of Greco and Orchard's position change...
Is Desmond Bryant the next veteran on the Browns endangered list?
by Thomas Moore
17 hours agoThe Cleveland Browns continue to go young in their latest rebuild. Does that put defensive lineman Desmond Bryant on the veteran endangered list?
The Cleveland Browns have spent the better part of two years now working to create a young roster that, if everything goes according to plan, will grow together into a dominant presence.
That is evident across the roster, but no more so than along the defensive line. The Browns added Danny Shelton and Xavier Cooper in 2015, Emmanuel Ogbah, Carl Nassib and Tyrone Holmes in 2016, and Myles Garrett, Larry Ogunjobi and Caleb Brantley in this year’s draft.
Along the way, the club has also purged itself of numerous veteran players — most notably those over the age of 30 – to the point where there are currently just four players on the roster who are 30 or older.
Related: Is John Greco the next veteran on the endangered list?
That quartet includes left tackle Joe Thomas and punter Britton Colquitt, who are not going anywhere, right guard John Greco, who may see his roster spot slipping away, and defensive lineman Desmond Bryant, who could be next in line to see his time in Cleveland come to an end.
Bryant has been a solid, of unspectacular player, for the Browns since joining the team as an unrestricted free agent in 2013. He has made 41 starts for the Browns and totaled 14.4 sacks, not stellar numbers, but good enough for a team that has lacked a pass rush during his time in town.
His six sacks in 2015 was good enough to lead the team, which pretty much tells you all you need to know about Cleveland’s pass rush.
The nine-year veteran missed all of last season after suffering a torn pectoral muscle, however, and will be heading into training camp looking to grab what is quickly becoming a dwindling number of roster spots.
Related: Can a position switch save Nate Orchard’s career?
The Browns only kept eight defensive lineman on the 53-man roster when they broke training camp last year, and outside of an injury Shelton, Ogbah, Nassib, Garrett, Ogunjobi and Jamie Meder have roster spots locked up. If the Browns like what they see from Brantley, who they selected in the sixth round of this year’s draft, he will likely make the final roster as well.
So that is seven players right there, meaning that Bryant will be up against Cooper, Holmes and Nate Orchard – who is moving to defensive end in a bid to save his career — for what very well could be just one roster spot.
Bryant is not a bad player by any stretch and he has been a good person to have on the roster as he brings traits to the field that coaches like.
But the landscape is clearly changing on the Browns roster and Bryant could be caught up in a numbers game that does not favor him in any way.
https://dawgpounddaily.com/2017/05/27/cleveland-browns-desmond-bryant/
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