Kizer taking SOME 1st team reps
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@ghoolie said:
Exactly how fucking high do you expect that a QB throws a screen pass? or 10 a yard pass? A 20 yard pass? Since the majority of passes are thrown 20 yards or less and are aimed shoulder height or lower.......... the differents in trajectory of a ball thrown by a guy who is 6 foot tall, versus one who is 6 4, is not significantly different.
A QB is not shooting fucking footballs into a 10ft high basket. The majority of the shit he throws is pretty much level, slightly elevated, or even downward.
The only reason a QB has balls batted down is because the offensive line is not keeping the pass rushers far enough away. DISTANCE FROM THE QB TO THE NEAREST DL.............draw your own to-scale diagram....then you will see........... the QBs height is not a great influence on batted balls.
A typical DL will reach 8ft high without jumping. If that guy is 3 feet from a qb throwing a 15 yard pass, it doesn't matter how fucking tall he is. Mover the DL 3 ft back and see how much more room the QB has.
You let Kessler sit behind the Russell Wilson's or Drew Brees's of the world for 1 year to see what a 6-7 step drop in a pocket gives you as a view & larger windows.With the time given by our OL last season? Not a chance..If I were Pep Hamilton after last season?I would have walked to Michigan..
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@ghoolie said:
He holds on to the ball too fucking long.
Kess is a 3rd rd. pick going into his 2nd season Ghools,slow your (H)cue cards. When allotted to drop & throw in rhythm the kid was solid. Not much WR help nor comrodity as Ben has either. 9 players with 2 more coming for Wentz. Wheres Goff,Lynch,Cook,Hackenburg,Brissett all chosen before Kess? Out of missing out on 1 Rabbits foot in Dak Prescott...we came out all right imo..
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Kessler looked pretty good last year. No one had any expectations for him and he didn't have very much time with the first string. Another issue I think he dealt with is that he knows he doesn't have a strong arm so he wasn't comfortable pushing the ball downfield or threading the needle. Yes he held the ball too long but that may have been because of the things I mentioned above. He showed he can run the offense and he could manipulate a pocket extremely well for a rookie. He deserves a chance to grow in this offense for a year but he is physically limited so his leash is pretty short. It feels like our team is going to be built around the running game (where those fat asses tens to pay off) to take pressure off of these quarterbacks. I personally feel that is how you develop young quarterbacks. Don't put too much on their plates at first and as they progress give them more responsibility. Look at Ben, Wilson, Flacco, even Presscott last year. Strong running game and solid defense help mold a quarterback
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Kizer sucks
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Kizer's throwing motion is looking great in the clips on the Browns site. For what that's worth. Just looks noticeably improved. Smoother. Faster. Spiral is tighter.
I've been following the top 4 really closely for about a year now and I liked them all at one point or another. I was a Trubisky guy until it was pointed out he locks his front leg when he throws. I'm all in on Kizer.
I'd like to see DeShonne run the scout team this year and become familiar with running other offenses during practice, coming along slowly. There are a ton of details to absorb, I see no point in rushing him.
I do like Cody and like his offseason initiative but I'd rather have Brock test out our revamped o-line while Cody is the insurance and Kizer grooms.
Kizer's throwing motion is looking great in the clips on the Browns site. For what that's worth. Just looks noticeably improved. Smoother. Faster. Spiral is tighter.
Good to read/see he's taking his new stroke onto the field... even if it is just practice at this point. Really seems like his two-hands on the ball, ball-security work is the foundation for it all.
Next step... real pressure in live action.
1) Heard the same.....when Hue was asked, he said it was because our D-Line was getting their hands up....not bad QB play, but great D line play...
Meh... let's see what happens when the trenches get real and the OL can work to keep those hands down.
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Kizer's throwing motion is looking great in the clips on the Browns site. For what that's worth. Just looks noticeably improved. Smoother. Faster. Spiral is tighter.
Good to read/see he's taking his new stroke onto the field... even if it is just practice at this point. Really seems like his two-hands on the ball, ball-security work is the foundation for it all.
Next step... real pressure in live action.
1) Heard the same.....when Hue was asked, he said it was because our D-Line was getting their hands up....not bad QB play, but great D line play...
Meh... let's see what happens when the trenches get real and the OL can work to keep those hands down.
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@ghoolie said:
But I also just can't see how the hell one expects a better result when doing the same things year after year. Every year the team and fans celebrate how the Browns were smart not to spend big money, and big draft picks on the top players. Then, every year, we watch as those guys we were so smart not to pay big money for do amazing things. Meanwhile we talk about how in 38 years our guys are really going to work out.
I just don't see any reason this team will not again be the worst team in the NFL.
over & over.year after year.for 38 years nothing has worked since Butch Davis maybe? Dude nobody in all of sports has ever done what we are attempting to pull off. 2 years in, we have maybe stripped down to under 5 players drafted before Farmer. Find the QB & out draft our aging Division.Worst team in NFL again? the proof will be in the picks. FO decisions & Coaching..What separates is the QB play or lack their of. It outweighs all of them and they know it..
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Yup... searched for years to find "the football guy" to lead us out of the basement. Finally figured out that "when you're in a hole... stop digging."
Aside from Allen's "Over-the-Hill-Gang", what franchise has ever built a winner out of purely collecting vets?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Yup... searched for years to find "the football guy" to lead us out of the basement. Finally figured out that "when you're in a hole... stop digging."
Aside from Allen's "Over-the-Hill-Gang", what franchise has ever built a winner out of purely collecting vets?
Yup... searched for years to find "the football guy" to lead us out of the basement. Finally figured out that "when you're in a hole... stop digging."
Aside from Allen's "Over-the-Hill-Gang", what franchise has ever built a winner out of purely collecting vets?
And even with George Allen that has been many decades ago.
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Kinda easy for the mental midgets to latch on to what already successful and stable franchises do...well, some of them, to stay at the top.
Yet, trollie ignores his favorite franchises method, which is build thru the draft and supplement with 2nd or 3rd tier vets on the wire.
That doesn't fit his narrative tho, so it's glossed over. Not like we haven't tried adding vet talent...just most of it is over the hill, and the ones that aren't ain't coming here till the culture changes.
Old, sad argument. Much like him.
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problem is we haven't out-drafted anyone. yeah there might be 3 or 4 keepers and maybe a star in the making but with what, 24 picks in the last couple of years (?) how many of these draft picks will even be on a NFL squad in 3 years besides the browns who will cut half of them before next season?
but sure glad we're stocking up draft picks for 2020. i'm sure Hue and Co. will be jumping out of their sofa cushions watching the browns draft then, with a new coach and new FO.
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All this whining is tiring. Like you know what's gonna happen....
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@ghoolie said:
I don't mean to piss on your hopes man, I really don't.
Who's kidding who? Of course you wanted to piss on his hopes. What would you do if you ever had to tell the truth?
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nope, never said i did.
but if you read into history.......... wait, never mind. read is not in your vocabulary, but you wouldn't know that cuz you don't.
BTW when you bitch it's not called 'whining".....ok.
So what is a whiny bitch?
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So what is a whiny bitch?
An Aggie fan.
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All this whining is tiring. Like you know what's gonna happen....
Funny....thats what people kept saying to me last year, when we were saying the team would suck rocks and would be lucky to win a game.......
I cant tell you how many people told me I was a crazy whiny bitch.....yet?.....what happened?......Oh yeah......
Then it became...."we knew this would happen....it's the plan"......hahahaha.....I do remember very well.......
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a real man can own up to his mis speak and faux pas. nobody is right all the time. but just like the political climate, don't shoot down someone with a diff opinion than yours from tires to a football team. fans are fans are fans. if people want to whine or bitch let them and turn the channel if you don't like it.
jesus h jumpin jehosaphat batman, if any fandom in the world deserves to bitch whine be concerned or just throw themselves off a cliff it's us browns fans.
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problem is we haven't out-drafted anyone. yeah there might be 3 or 4 keepers and maybe a star in the making but with what, 24 picks in the last couple of years (?) how many of these draft picks will even be on a NFL squad in 3 years besides the browns who will cut half of them before next season?
but sure glad we're stocking up draft picks for 2020. i'm sure Hue and Co. will be jumping out of their sofa cushions watching the browns draft then, with a new coach and new FO.
problem is we haven't out-drafted anyone. yeah there might be 3 or 4 keepers and maybe a star in the making but with what,
From what a lot of the other divisional fan forums post we Are out drafting them.But with a lot of luke warm college talent.Reddit.com is full of them.Another concern of most division forums is Our FO is now another worry cause it's not "the same old Browns".Bengals posters are delirious right now with teams future.Myself, I have Booked it,that next seasons 1st round pick will go into a shot at a true franchise QB. If we get it right? That's where it always all starts...QB.
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problem is we haven't out-drafted anyone. yeah there might be 3 or 4 keepers and maybe a star in the making but with what,
From what a lot of the other divisional fan forums post we Are out drafting them.But with a lot of luke warm college talent.Reddit.com is full of them.Another concern of most division forums is Our FO is now another worry cause it's not "the same old Browns".Bengals posters are delirious right now with teams future.Myself, I have Booked it,that next seasons 1st round pick will go into a shot at a true franchise QB. If we get it right? That's where it always all starts...QB.
From what a lot of the other divisional fan forums post we Are out drafting them.But with a lot of luke warm college talent.Reddit.com is full of them.Another concern of most division forums is Our FO is now another worry cause it's not "the same old Browns".Bengals posters are delirious right now with teams future.Myself, I have Booked it,that next seasons 1st round pick will go into a shot at a true franchise QB. If we get it right? That's where it always all starts...QB.
The other teams in this division are not all that good. The Steelers make hay based on 3 outstanding players. If BR goes down...they are BS. The Ravens are mediocre at best. The Browns may already have surpassed the Bengals in overall talent. The fact that they lost their best OL to us is part of that.
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