Kizer taking SOME 1st team reps
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@ghoolie said:
But I also just can't see how the hell one expects a better result when doing the same things year after year. Every year the team and fans celebrate how the Browns were smart not to spend big money, and big draft picks on the top players. Then, every year, we watch as those guys we were so smart not to pay big money for do amazing things. Meanwhile we talk about how in 38 years our guys are really going to work out.
I just don't see any reason this team will not again be the worst team in the NFL.
over & over.year after year.for 38 years nothing has worked since Butch Davis maybe? Dude nobody in all of sports has ever done what we are attempting to pull off. 2 years in, we have maybe stripped down to under 5 players drafted before Farmer. Find the QB & out draft our aging Division.Worst team in NFL again? the proof will be in the picks. FO decisions & Coaching..What separates is the QB play or lack their of. It outweighs all of them and they know it..
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Yup... searched for years to find "the football guy" to lead us out of the basement. Finally figured out that "when you're in a hole... stop digging."
Aside from Allen's "Over-the-Hill-Gang", what franchise has ever built a winner out of purely collecting vets?
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Yup... searched for years to find "the football guy" to lead us out of the basement. Finally figured out that "when you're in a hole... stop digging."
Aside from Allen's "Over-the-Hill-Gang", what franchise has ever built a winner out of purely collecting vets?
Yup... searched for years to find "the football guy" to lead us out of the basement. Finally figured out that "when you're in a hole... stop digging."
Aside from Allen's "Over-the-Hill-Gang", what franchise has ever built a winner out of purely collecting vets?
And even with George Allen that has been many decades ago.
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Kinda easy for the mental midgets to latch on to what already successful and stable franchises do...well, some of them, to stay at the top.
Yet, trollie ignores his favorite franchises method, which is build thru the draft and supplement with 2nd or 3rd tier vets on the wire.
That doesn't fit his narrative tho, so it's glossed over. Not like we haven't tried adding vet talent...just most of it is over the hill, and the ones that aren't ain't coming here till the culture changes.
Old, sad argument. Much like him.
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problem is we haven't out-drafted anyone. yeah there might be 3 or 4 keepers and maybe a star in the making but with what, 24 picks in the last couple of years (?) how many of these draft picks will even be on a NFL squad in 3 years besides the browns who will cut half of them before next season?
but sure glad we're stocking up draft picks for 2020. i'm sure Hue and Co. will be jumping out of their sofa cushions watching the browns draft then, with a new coach and new FO.
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All this whining is tiring. Like you know what's gonna happen....
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@ghoolie said:
I don't mean to piss on your hopes man, I really don't.
Who's kidding who? Of course you wanted to piss on his hopes. What would you do if you ever had to tell the truth?
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nope, never said i did.
but if you read into history.......... wait, never mind. read is not in your vocabulary, but you wouldn't know that cuz you don't.
BTW when you bitch it's not called 'whining".....ok.
So what is a whiny bitch?
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So what is a whiny bitch?
An Aggie fan.
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All this whining is tiring. Like you know what's gonna happen....
Funny....thats what people kept saying to me last year, when we were saying the team would suck rocks and would be lucky to win a game.......
I cant tell you how many people told me I was a crazy whiny bitch.....yet?.....what happened?......Oh yeah......
Then it became...."we knew this would happen....it's the plan"......hahahaha.....I do remember very well.......
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a real man can own up to his mis speak and faux pas. nobody is right all the time. but just like the political climate, don't shoot down someone with a diff opinion than yours from tires to a football team. fans are fans are fans. if people want to whine or bitch let them and turn the channel if you don't like it.
jesus h jumpin jehosaphat batman, if any fandom in the world deserves to bitch whine be concerned or just throw themselves off a cliff it's us browns fans.
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problem is we haven't out-drafted anyone. yeah there might be 3 or 4 keepers and maybe a star in the making but with what, 24 picks in the last couple of years (?) how many of these draft picks will even be on a NFL squad in 3 years besides the browns who will cut half of them before next season?
but sure glad we're stocking up draft picks for 2020. i'm sure Hue and Co. will be jumping out of their sofa cushions watching the browns draft then, with a new coach and new FO.
problem is we haven't out-drafted anyone. yeah there might be 3 or 4 keepers and maybe a star in the making but with what,
From what a lot of the other divisional fan forums post we Are out drafting them.But with a lot of luke warm college talent.Reddit.com is full of them.Another concern of most division forums is Our FO is now another worry cause it's not "the same old Browns".Bengals posters are delirious right now with teams future.Myself, I have Booked it,that next seasons 1st round pick will go into a shot at a true franchise QB. If we get it right? That's where it always all starts...QB.
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problem is we haven't out-drafted anyone. yeah there might be 3 or 4 keepers and maybe a star in the making but with what,
From what a lot of the other divisional fan forums post we Are out drafting them.But with a lot of luke warm college talent.Reddit.com is full of them.Another concern of most division forums is Our FO is now another worry cause it's not "the same old Browns".Bengals posters are delirious right now with teams future.Myself, I have Booked it,that next seasons 1st round pick will go into a shot at a true franchise QB. If we get it right? That's where it always all starts...QB.
From what a lot of the other divisional fan forums post we Are out drafting them.But with a lot of luke warm college talent.Reddit.com is full of them.Another concern of most division forums is Our FO is now another worry cause it's not "the same old Browns".Bengals posters are delirious right now with teams future.Myself, I have Booked it,that next seasons 1st round pick will go into a shot at a true franchise QB. If we get it right? That's where it always all starts...QB.
The other teams in this division are not all that good. The Steelers make hay based on 3 outstanding players. If BR goes down...they are BS. The Ravens are mediocre at best. The Browns may already have surpassed the Bengals in overall talent. The fact that they lost their best OL to us is part of that.
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@ghoolie said:
Nobody ever built a fucking football team through the draft. N O B O D Y. Of course that's where new players come from, but NOBODY ever built a fucking team with no leaders, no veteran stars to bolster the classroom and development.
I'd invite you to go back & look at the TB Buccaneers years of Tony Dungy drafts. Than John Gruden comes in, in 02 to win a super bowl with Dungy's homegrown draft picks..Keyshawn Johnson was also brought in from Jets by Dungy in 2000 at 27 years old to finish off the missing parts..It's not impossible (U Fucking idiot)
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The Troy Aikman Cowboys were draft built.
But to the Ghoul's point, overall we've done a lousy job with veteran talent.
It all started with our Plan B draft when Dwight Clark took all special teamers and left all of the veteran leadership on the board. That stunted our growth...and we've never recovered...except for when Mangini made our team old with old vets.
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The Troy Aikman Cowboys were draft built.
But to the Ghoul's point, overall we've done a lousy job with veteran talent.
It all started with our Plan B draft when Dwight Clark took all special teamers and left all of the veteran leadership on the board. That stunted our growth...and we've never recovered...except for when Mangini made our team old with old vets.
But to the Ghoul's point, overall we've done a lousy job with veteran talent.
Take the 2 Ravens titles as another example. Your drafts has to have enough hits showing a ability to win. Ravens drafted a Great Defense.Jamal Lewis in 2000 & Ray Rice in 08. You surround those drafts with the missing pricey pieces. Ravens in 2000 only had Tony Banks & Trent Dilfer playing 8 games each at QB but the key addition was Shannon Sharpe coming from Denver.Made Jamal Lewis even better. In 2012 it was Flaco carrying all 16 games with Tyrod Taylor as his backup but without the addition of Anquan Boldin from Zona doubt they get their 2nd title with a solo Ray Rice.(maybe with that defense?).Without the key draft pieces being your foundation we keep finding 5 FA Tramon Williams's out there blaming our organization, but not their play..
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Peyton Manning caliber? ? That's your criteria? One of the best that's ever played, and that's your benchmark for judging our moves? No wonder you're such a joke on here...@ghoolie said:
Tell me what fucking Vets, we tried? Name me the Peyton Manning caliber vets we have signed. GO ahead, tell me about how we have "tried.
Nobody ever built a fucking football team through the draft. N O B O D Y. Of course that's where new players come from, but NOBODY ever built a fucking team with no leaders, no veteran stars to bolster the classroom and development.
NOBODY has had more draft picks than Cleveland. And what has it delivered? 1 - 19 and no fucking chance at ending the 2017 with a QB who can take you into 2018. No WRs to make TDs, the only TE we had, we got rid of......... for what? Unproven shit.
Garrett WILL be hurt and done. He was the dumbest fucking pick imaginable, from the getgo. But hey, Hue and company are far smarter than I am. Far be it from me to ever spend 500 million dollars to achieve 1 - 19. What the fuck do I know?
Fucking idiots.
The rest of your rant is more pointless unsubstantiated nonsense. Frankly, your opinion is so meaningless that I'm not wasting my time to refute any of it...and it is refutable, I assure you. You're just too old, ignorant, and stupid to grasp that kind of information.
So yell and scream all ya want...I'm sure Viking will be along to join your lonely little circle jerk. Meanwhile, the adults will carry on and continue laughing at your foolishness.
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@ghoolie said:
Nobody ever built a fucking football team through the draft. N O B O D Y. Of course that's where new players come from, but NOBODY ever built a fucking team with no leaders, no veteran stars to bolster the classroom and development.
I'd invite you to go back & look at the TB Buccaneers years of Tony Dungy drafts. Than John Gruden comes in, in 02 to win a super bowl with Dungy's homegrown draft picks..Keyshawn Johnson was also brought in from Jets by Dungy in 2000 at 27 years old to finish off the missing parts..It's not impossible (U Fucking idiot)
I'd invite you to go back & look at the TB Buccaneers years of Tony Dungy drafts. Than John Gruden comes in, in 02 to win a super bowl with Dungy's homegrown draft picks..Keyshawn Johnson was also brought in from Jets by Dungy in 2000 at 27 years old to finish off the missing parts..It's not impossible (U Fucking idiot)
Good points Gums! Not only that, I think he added WR Keenan McCardell and Brad Johnson as his veteran QB of choice to be the starter for his Superbowl Champion. I think they also added Pro Bowl DE Simeon Rice to their defense. Once you get a good roster - the recruiting attraction of the program improves accordingly. Back when Tampa was serial killing QBs - nobody wanted to go there.
Gruden always gets credited for developing young QBs, but in that Superbowl matchup alone - it was his former starting QB (in Oakland) Gannon vrs his current starting QB Johnson. Weren't both QBs in their mid-late 30s?
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I'd invite you to go back & look at the TB Buccaneers years of Tony Dungy drafts. Than John Gruden comes in, in 02 to win a super bowl with Dungy's homegrown draft picks..Keyshawn Johnson was also brought in from Jets by Dungy in 2000 at 27 years old to finish off the missing parts..It's not impossible (U Fucking idiot)
Good points Gums! Not only that, I think he added WR Keenan McCardell and Brad Johnson as his veteran QB of choice to be the starter for his Superbowl Champion. I think they also added Pro Bowl DE Simeon Rice to their defense. Once you get a good roster - the recruiting attraction of the program improves accordingly. Back when Tampa was serial killing QBs - nobody wanted to go there.
Gruden always gets credited for developing young QBs, but in that Superbowl matchup alone - it was his former starting QB (in Oakland) Gannon vrs his current starting QB Johnson. Weren't both QBs in their mid-late 30s?
Once you get a good roster - the recruiting attraction of the program improves accordingly. Back when Tampa was serial killing QBs - nobody wanted to go there.
Gruden always gets credited for developing young QBs, but in that Superbowl matchup alone - it was his former starting QB (in Oakland) Gannon vrs his current starting QB Johnson. Weren't both QBs in their mid-late 30s?
Am liking the TB root Flug..if Garrett gives us S.Rice & Collins is D.Brooks & Peppers plays John Lynch we got a leap start..I kinda even laugh at the Gruden/Huejax QB whispers comparison when Brad Johnson at age 34 played 13 games for tampa that season. Rob Johnson age 29 played 2 & Shawn King at 25 played a large 1 game..Rich Gannon was age 37 and played all 16 games
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