Kizer taking SOME 1st team reps
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nope, never said i did.
but if you read into history.......... wait, never mind. read is not in your vocabulary, but you wouldn't know that cuz you don't.
BTW when you bitch it's not called 'whining".....ok.
So what is a whiny bitch?
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So what is a whiny bitch?
An Aggie fan.
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All this whining is tiring. Like you know what's gonna happen....
Funny....thats what people kept saying to me last year, when we were saying the team would suck rocks and would be lucky to win a game.......
I cant tell you how many people told me I was a crazy whiny bitch.....yet?.....what happened?......Oh yeah......
Then it became...."we knew this would happen....it's the plan"......hahahaha.....I do remember very well.......
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a real man can own up to his mis speak and faux pas. nobody is right all the time. but just like the political climate, don't shoot down someone with a diff opinion than yours from tires to a football team. fans are fans are fans. if people want to whine or bitch let them and turn the channel if you don't like it.
jesus h jumpin jehosaphat batman, if any fandom in the world deserves to bitch whine be concerned or just throw themselves off a cliff it's us browns fans.
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problem is we haven't out-drafted anyone. yeah there might be 3 or 4 keepers and maybe a star in the making but with what, 24 picks in the last couple of years (?) how many of these draft picks will even be on a NFL squad in 3 years besides the browns who will cut half of them before next season?
but sure glad we're stocking up draft picks for 2020. i'm sure Hue and Co. will be jumping out of their sofa cushions watching the browns draft then, with a new coach and new FO.
problem is we haven't out-drafted anyone. yeah there might be 3 or 4 keepers and maybe a star in the making but with what,
From what a lot of the other divisional fan forums post we Are out drafting them.But with a lot of luke warm college talent.Reddit.com is full of them.Another concern of most division forums is Our FO is now another worry cause it's not "the same old Browns".Bengals posters are delirious right now with teams future.Myself, I have Booked it,that next seasons 1st round pick will go into a shot at a true franchise QB. If we get it right? That's where it always all starts...QB.
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problem is we haven't out-drafted anyone. yeah there might be 3 or 4 keepers and maybe a star in the making but with what,
From what a lot of the other divisional fan forums post we Are out drafting them.But with a lot of luke warm college talent.Reddit.com is full of them.Another concern of most division forums is Our FO is now another worry cause it's not "the same old Browns".Bengals posters are delirious right now with teams future.Myself, I have Booked it,that next seasons 1st round pick will go into a shot at a true franchise QB. If we get it right? That's where it always all starts...QB.
From what a lot of the other divisional fan forums post we Are out drafting them.But with a lot of luke warm college talent.Reddit.com is full of them.Another concern of most division forums is Our FO is now another worry cause it's not "the same old Browns".Bengals posters are delirious right now with teams future.Myself, I have Booked it,that next seasons 1st round pick will go into a shot at a true franchise QB. If we get it right? That's where it always all starts...QB.
The other teams in this division are not all that good. The Steelers make hay based on 3 outstanding players. If BR goes down...they are BS. The Ravens are mediocre at best. The Browns may already have surpassed the Bengals in overall talent. The fact that they lost their best OL to us is part of that.
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@ghoolie said:
Nobody ever built a fucking football team through the draft. N O B O D Y. Of course that's where new players come from, but NOBODY ever built a fucking team with no leaders, no veteran stars to bolster the classroom and development.
I'd invite you to go back & look at the TB Buccaneers years of Tony Dungy drafts. Than John Gruden comes in, in 02 to win a super bowl with Dungy's homegrown draft picks..Keyshawn Johnson was also brought in from Jets by Dungy in 2000 at 27 years old to finish off the missing parts..It's not impossible (U Fucking idiot)
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
The Troy Aikman Cowboys were draft built.
But to the Ghoul's point, overall we've done a lousy job with veteran talent.
It all started with our Plan B draft when Dwight Clark took all special teamers and left all of the veteran leadership on the board. That stunted our growth...and we've never recovered...except for when Mangini made our team old with old vets.
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The Troy Aikman Cowboys were draft built.
But to the Ghoul's point, overall we've done a lousy job with veteran talent.
It all started with our Plan B draft when Dwight Clark took all special teamers and left all of the veteran leadership on the board. That stunted our growth...and we've never recovered...except for when Mangini made our team old with old vets.
But to the Ghoul's point, overall we've done a lousy job with veteran talent.
Take the 2 Ravens titles as another example. Your drafts has to have enough hits showing a ability to win. Ravens drafted a Great Defense.Jamal Lewis in 2000 & Ray Rice in 08. You surround those drafts with the missing pricey pieces. Ravens in 2000 only had Tony Banks & Trent Dilfer playing 8 games each at QB but the key addition was Shannon Sharpe coming from Denver.Made Jamal Lewis even better. In 2012 it was Flaco carrying all 16 games with Tyrod Taylor as his backup but without the addition of Anquan Boldin from Zona doubt they get their 2nd title with a solo Ray Rice.(maybe with that defense?).Without the key draft pieces being your foundation we keep finding 5 FA Tramon Williams's out there blaming our organization, but not their play..
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Peyton Manning caliber? ? That's your criteria? One of the best that's ever played, and that's your benchmark for judging our moves? No wonder you're such a joke on here...@ghoolie said:
Tell me what fucking Vets, we tried? Name me the Peyton Manning caliber vets we have signed. GO ahead, tell me about how we have "tried.
Nobody ever built a fucking football team through the draft. N O B O D Y. Of course that's where new players come from, but NOBODY ever built a fucking team with no leaders, no veteran stars to bolster the classroom and development.
NOBODY has had more draft picks than Cleveland. And what has it delivered? 1 - 19 and no fucking chance at ending the 2017 with a QB who can take you into 2018. No WRs to make TDs, the only TE we had, we got rid of......... for what? Unproven shit.
Garrett WILL be hurt and done. He was the dumbest fucking pick imaginable, from the getgo. But hey, Hue and company are far smarter than I am. Far be it from me to ever spend 500 million dollars to achieve 1 - 19. What the fuck do I know?
Fucking idiots.
The rest of your rant is more pointless unsubstantiated nonsense. Frankly, your opinion is so meaningless that I'm not wasting my time to refute any of it...and it is refutable, I assure you. You're just too old, ignorant, and stupid to grasp that kind of information.
So yell and scream all ya want...I'm sure Viking will be along to join your lonely little circle jerk. Meanwhile, the adults will carry on and continue laughing at your foolishness.
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@ghoolie said:
Nobody ever built a fucking football team through the draft. N O B O D Y. Of course that's where new players come from, but NOBODY ever built a fucking team with no leaders, no veteran stars to bolster the classroom and development.
I'd invite you to go back & look at the TB Buccaneers years of Tony Dungy drafts. Than John Gruden comes in, in 02 to win a super bowl with Dungy's homegrown draft picks..Keyshawn Johnson was also brought in from Jets by Dungy in 2000 at 27 years old to finish off the missing parts..It's not impossible (U Fucking idiot)
I'd invite you to go back & look at the TB Buccaneers years of Tony Dungy drafts. Than John Gruden comes in, in 02 to win a super bowl with Dungy's homegrown draft picks..Keyshawn Johnson was also brought in from Jets by Dungy in 2000 at 27 years old to finish off the missing parts..It's not impossible (U Fucking idiot)
Good points Gums! Not only that, I think he added WR Keenan McCardell and Brad Johnson as his veteran QB of choice to be the starter for his Superbowl Champion. I think they also added Pro Bowl DE Simeon Rice to their defense. Once you get a good roster - the recruiting attraction of the program improves accordingly. Back when Tampa was serial killing QBs - nobody wanted to go there.
Gruden always gets credited for developing young QBs, but in that Superbowl matchup alone - it was his former starting QB (in Oakland) Gannon vrs his current starting QB Johnson. Weren't both QBs in their mid-late 30s?
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
I'd invite you to go back & look at the TB Buccaneers years of Tony Dungy drafts. Than John Gruden comes in, in 02 to win a super bowl with Dungy's homegrown draft picks..Keyshawn Johnson was also brought in from Jets by Dungy in 2000 at 27 years old to finish off the missing parts..It's not impossible (U Fucking idiot)
Good points Gums! Not only that, I think he added WR Keenan McCardell and Brad Johnson as his veteran QB of choice to be the starter for his Superbowl Champion. I think they also added Pro Bowl DE Simeon Rice to their defense. Once you get a good roster - the recruiting attraction of the program improves accordingly. Back when Tampa was serial killing QBs - nobody wanted to go there.
Gruden always gets credited for developing young QBs, but in that Superbowl matchup alone - it was his former starting QB (in Oakland) Gannon vrs his current starting QB Johnson. Weren't both QBs in their mid-late 30s?
Once you get a good roster - the recruiting attraction of the program improves accordingly. Back when Tampa was serial killing QBs - nobody wanted to go there.
Gruden always gets credited for developing young QBs, but in that Superbowl matchup alone - it was his former starting QB (in Oakland) Gannon vrs his current starting QB Johnson. Weren't both QBs in their mid-late 30s?
Am liking the TB root Flug..if Garrett gives us S.Rice & Collins is D.Brooks & Peppers plays John Lynch we got a leap start..I kinda even laugh at the Gruden/Huejax QB whispers comparison when Brad Johnson at age 34 played 13 games for tampa that season. Rob Johnson age 29 played 2 & Shawn King at 25 played a large 1 game..Rich Gannon was age 37 and played all 16 games
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
I'd invite you to go back & look at the TB Buccaneers years of Tony Dungy drafts. Than John Gruden comes in, in 02 to win a super bowl with Dungy's homegrown draft picks..Keyshawn Johnson was also brought in from Jets by Dungy in 2000 at 27 years old to finish off the missing parts..It's not impossible (U Fucking idiot)
Good points Gums! Not only that, I think he added WR Keenan McCardell and Brad Johnson as his veteran QB of choice to be the starter for his Superbowl Champion. I think they also added Pro Bowl DE Simeon Rice to their defense. Once you get a good roster - the recruiting attraction of the program improves accordingly. Back when Tampa was serial killing QBs - nobody wanted to go there.
Gruden always gets credited for developing young QBs, but in that Superbowl matchup alone - it was his former starting QB (in Oakland) Gannon vrs his current starting QB Johnson. Weren't both QBs in their mid-late 30s?
Good points Gums! Not only that, I think he added WR Keenan McCardell and Brad Johnson as his veteran QB of choice to be the starter for his Superbowl Champion. I think they also added Pro Bowl DE Simeon Rice to their defense. Once you get a good roster - the recruiting attraction of the program improves accordingly. Back when Tampa was serial killing QBs - nobody wanted to go there.
Gruden always gets credited for developing young QBs, but in that Superbowl matchup alone - it was his former starting QB (in Oakland) Gannon vrs his current starting QB Johnson. Weren't both QBs in their mid-late 30s?
I didn't think McCardell was on that team. I thought he was with the Jags. Just going from memory...though you may be right.
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Good points Gums! Not only that, I think he added WR Keenan McCardell and Brad Johnson as his veteran QB of choice to be the starter for his Superbowl Champion. I think they also added Pro Bowl DE Simeon Rice to their defense. Once you get a good roster - the recruiting attraction of the program improves accordingly. Back when Tampa was serial killing QBs - nobody wanted to go there.
Gruden always gets credited for developing young QBs, but in that Superbowl matchup alone - it was his former starting QB (in Oakland) Gannon vrs his current starting QB Johnson. Weren't both QBs in their mid-late 30s?
I didn't think McCardell was on that team. I thought he was with the Jags. Just going from memory...though you may be right.
I didn't think McCardell was on that team. I thought he was with the Jags. Just going from memory...though you may be right.
After Jax, McCardell played for Tampa for 2 years (and was on their Superbowl Championship Team).
Here's his numbers:
2002 (age 32) 14 Games 61 rec 670 yds 6 TDs
2003 (age 33) 16 Games 84 rec 1174 yds 8 TDs
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Once you get a good roster - the recruiting attraction of the program improves accordingly. Back when Tampa was serial killing QBs - nobody wanted to go there.
Gruden always gets credited for developing young QBs, but in that Superbowl matchup alone - it was his former starting QB (in Oakland) Gannon vrs his current starting QB Johnson. Weren't both QBs in their mid-late 30s?
Am liking the TB root Flug..if Garrett gives us S.Rice & Collins is D.Brooks & Peppers plays John Lynch we got a leap start..I kinda even laugh at the Gruden/Huejax QB whispers comparison when Brad Johnson at age 34 played 13 games for tampa that season. Rob Johnson age 29 played 2 & Shawn King at 25 played a large 1 game..Rich Gannon was age 37 and played all 16 games
Am liking the TB root Flug..if Garrett gives us S.Rice & Collins is D.Brooks & Peppers plays John Lynch we got a leap start..I kinda even laugh at the Gruden/Huejax QB whispers comparison when Brad Johnson at age 34 played 13 games for tampa that season. Rob Johnson age 29 played 2 & Shawn King at 25 played a large 1 game..Rich Gannon was age 37 and played all 16 games
Me too!
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From what a lot of the other divisional fan forums post we Are out drafting them.But with a lot of luke warm college talent.Reddit.com is full of them.Another concern of most division forums is Our FO is now another worry cause it's not "the same old Browns".Bengals posters are delirious right now with teams future.Myself, I have Booked it,that next seasons 1st round pick will go into a shot at a true franchise QB. If we get it right? That's where it always all starts...QB.
The other teams in this division are not all that good. The Steelers make hay based on 3 outstanding players. If BR goes down...they are BS. The Ravens are mediocre at best. The Browns may already have surpassed the Bengals in overall talent. The fact that they lost their best OL to us is part of that.
The other teams in this division are not all that good. The Steelers make hay based on 3 outstanding players. If BR goes down...they are BS. The Ravens are mediocre at best. The Browns may already have surpassed the Bengals in overall talent. The fact that they lost their best OL to us is part of that.
What great team is great without their QB? Duh...........
The Browns are in the unique position in that if NOBODY get injured..........they still suck.
The Cleveland Browns have the hardest hit players in the NFL -
The other teams in this division are not all that good. The Steelers make hay based on 3 outstanding players. If BR goes down...they are BS. The Ravens are mediocre at best. The Browns may already have surpassed the Bengals in overall talent. The fact that they lost their best OL to us is part of that.
What great team is great without their QB? Duh...........
The Browns are in the unique position in that if NOBODY get injured..........they still suck.
What great team is great without their QB? Duh...........
The Browns are in the unique position in that if NOBODY get injured..........they still suck.
The Pittsburgh Steeroids won 4 Superbowls in the 70s with a hollow dome at QB. When you have to label your most important pass play in franchise history after a miracle "the Immaculate Reception" - while many of Lynn Swann's clutch plays required circus catches with the acrobatics of a Mary Lou Retton - you have to wonder if Bradshaw wasn't just a glorified passenger getting a free pass beneficiary to the hall of Fame. Frenchie Fuqua got hung out to dry with an ill-advised throw that floated over the middle. The violent collision re-routed the pass to Franco Harris who scooped it in about a millimeter above the ground for an easy TD jog.
On top of all that, here's his passer ratings that prolly had Noll wondering if Bradshaw could really win somewhere that didn't have a utopian set-up:
1970 30.4 6 TD 24 INT
1971 59.7 13 TD 22 INT
1972 64.1 12 TD 12 INT
1973 54.5 10 TD 15 INT
1974 55.2 7 TD 8 INT
1975 88.0 18 TD 9 INT
1976 65.4 10 TD 9 INT
1977 71.4 17 TD 19 INT
He was still getting benched for piss poor performance in his 4th NFL season, which kind of sheds some light on the turbulent relationship he had with Chuck Noll. He had some passer ratings that went above 80 in 1978,1981 and 1982 but in those 3 seasons he had 45 INTs reminding us there better be a damn good defense damage controlling that to save the day as often as necessary. It's also no secret that Bradshaw and Lynn Swann haven't been the best of friends dating back to their playing days. That roided up Pitt team had the defense, running game, perimeter talent and pervasive steroid use to win about 7 Superbowls at bigger margins of victory than the 16-6 they settled for against Minnesota. Did Bradshaw do anything more than take Mike Webster's groinal inventory all game?
I would have loved to have seen Kosar or Sipe get the margin of error Pittsburgh tucked Bradshaw into his HOF career with in terms of overall talent top to bottom. Can you imagine if Fouts or Marino had that kind of margin of error, where their defense could chip in scoring 7-10 points weekly while creating turnovers and limiting opponent scoring enough to make the QB's challenge easy every week? Having 2 RBs in Pitt's backfield rush for over 1000 yards in the same season didn't hurt either;especially when it was time to protect a lead and eat clock. We won the division in 85 with that kind of 1-2 punch from Mack and Byner during Kosar's rookie season/learning experience he ended up replacing Danielson about 5-6 weeks into things.
We've been giving our QBs a whole lot less to work with than Bradshaw got in Pittsburgh; and we aren't waiting until their 6th season for the QB to emerge/look the part. In fact, sometimes we're not even waiting until the end of their first September to make our conclusions. Deferring our coin toss victories to the 31st ranked defense and an inevitable 7 point deficit only to tell the rookie/Kessler "go get em kid" almost had the same kind of prognosis that handing a box of matches to a pyromaniac and telling him to be careful has. Someone is getting hurt. I'm sure a kid like Goff wished he had the set-up Dak Prescott walked into. Guys like Troy Aikman and Steve Young got more than 1 concussion in their rookie NFL seasons on shit teams while many fans made premature conclusions with a certainty neither was headed for a HOF career.
This draft may or may not have had the right QB for our future; but I think our FO finally worked diligently in the off-season to set up a much more QB friendly Oline with a very promising young TE that can jump, jet and catch (with a QB friendly catch radius) that was MIA in 2016. We also added an experienced WR coming off his best season (reception volume-wise) who also has a nice catch radius. That's a much better signing than Dwayne Bowe (3 years removed from his last good football for $12 million).
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
GREAT post Fluges!......hollow dome?.....Ahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa.....
Bradshaw is one of the dumbest AND luckiest QB's to ever grace the NFL......HOF quality QB, my ass....lucky sob?....yep....
There's a reason it took years for him to earn Nolls nod....cause he kind of sucked....
...a career 1 TD to 1 Int ratio....bites....
....150th highest passer rating.....bites....
....less than 2000 yds per year.....bites.....
I wouldnt even put him top 100 in anything....let alone HOF......
He got a free ride alllllllllll the way to the promised land.......and in the booth too....cause he's dumb like rocks.....darrrr
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Bradshaw & Namath.....2 QBs who make me wonder how EITHER of 'em made it to the HOF. Oh yeah, Joe looked fine in panty hose!???
Mike
INΒ DORSEY I TRUST
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