Quarterbacks on the Hot Seat
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@boo-fagley said:
If KC drafted him he will be a bust.
Lol, kind of agree.
You could argue KC had the worst QB drafting of ANY team since the merger.
Dawson & Montana, probably Alex Smith are their best since then, all pick ups.
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@boo-fagley said:
Alex Smith is hated in KC. The Chiefs never scored a TD vs the Steelers in the playoffs.
Both Tribinsky and Mahomes basically played the same number of games
Tribinsky 31 games 4,762 yards 41 TDs
Mahomes 32 games 11, 252 93 TDs
Tribinsky looks more unproven to me.
Mahomes started in all those game I think. Trubisky only started in 11. So Mahomes had about triple the number of starts. You did not list the attempts and completions. I suspect that would be about triple for Mahomes.
Also...the fact is...Mahomes played in that system....whatever you call it....that fast break system....that has never produced a quality NFL QB.
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@boo-fagley said:
I would say the Sam Bradford experiment has blown up in the lab.
Bridgewater showed more promise than I have ever seen out of Bradford. Did that clown Bradford ever even make the post season? Not that I recall.
Point though is: I think his job as starting QB for the Vikings is secure. Who else would they go to? Bridgewater ain't playing...and who else? They have Case Keenum. Didn't he just get cut from the Rams?
Bradford's job is safe.
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@boo-fagley said:
If KC drafted him he will be a bust.
Lol, kind of agree.
You could argue KC had the worst QB drafting of ANY team since the merger.
Dawson & Montana, probably Alex Smith are their best since then, all pick ups.
Lol, kind of agree.
You could argue KC had the worst QB drafting of ANY team since the merger.
Dawson & Montana, probably Alex Smith are their best since then, all pick ups.
Who, besides Todd Blackledge have they drafted?
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@boo-fagley said:
Absolutely. Snake bit.
KC has an infatuation for ex SF 49er QBs - Bono, DeBerg, Grbac, Smith and Montana. There may be a few more.
Well....if what you say is true...and it is....then we should expect KC to sign Kaepernick....fair to say?
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@boo-fagley said:
The Chiefs are pretty set at QB with Smith, Patrick Mahomes and Tyler Bray, but I could see Kaepernick as a fit in KC’s offense if there was a major injury on the team. Still, like Hunt said, Reid probably wouldn’t bring in Kaepernick due to the dynamic between him and Smith.
Yea, Kaepernick replaced Smith in SFO....not sure how well those 2 would play together. But..Tyler Bray...the backup behind Smith? I guess I know nothing about him....but that does not sound like they are "pretty set". The raw as hell....not ready to see the field for 2 years Mahomes behind them?
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Who, besides Todd Blackledge have they drafted?
Not entirely sure, Bill Kenny? Tyler Thigpen?
Point is they aren't good at it.
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@boo-fagley said:
Im not a fan of Mahomes or Tribinsky.
Im glad the Browns did not get caught up in the spending spree in a weak QB draft,
We shall see. For all we know, this draft could rival 1983 or 2004!!. (you never know)
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Who, besides Todd Blackledge have they drafted?
Not entirely sure, Bill Kenny? Tyler Thigpen?
Point is they aren't good at it.
Not entirely sure, Bill Kenny? Tyler Thigpen?
Point is they aren't good at it.
They drafted Kevin Hogan!!
But, here are the names of the QBs drafted by the Chiefs over the years:
Kevin Hogan
Aaron Murray
Brodie Croyle
Pat Barnes
Ricky Stanzi
Steve Stenstrom
Steve Matthews
Matt Blundin
Mike Elkins
Danny McManus
Doug Hudson
Todd Blackledge
Bob Gagliano
Steve Fuller
Pete Woods
David Jaynes
Dean Carlson
Mike Livingston
Eddie Wilson
No...not a stellar group...at all.
Blackledge had the most promise and is the biggest bust.
Steve Fuller and Mike Livingston....average QBs are the best of the bunch.
But then...look at the Browns QB drafting prowess over the years.
Nothing to write home about either.
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Hot seat for me implies an established starter with someone pushing them. Dalton fits this mold. He's established and has a backup in AJ McCarron that many are eager to see. Smith's KC situation seems like the 2nd best fit. Not too many others of those mentioned so far fit nearly as well IMO... but I have a new name I'll close with...
Placeholders aren't on a hot seat. Hoyer, Glennon and Savage are clearly placeholders. It's not a matter of "if", but "when" for them. Only difference in Hoyer's case is that his replacement arrives next season. Pretty much the same for any of the Jets QBs.
Browns differ from the Jets in that we have three contenders with more promise each than the Jets QBs have in total... unless my former darkhorse, Petty, turns it on.
No one is established, so the seat is cold.May be semantics, but I also do not think of Bortles and Tannehill as hot-seaters... more like QBs at a cross-roads. Neither has anyone pressing them.
Other young guns are still a year or so away from their crossroad. I count Goff in this group. A good 2017 will push it down the road another year; a bad one will set it in 2018.
And now the new name... Tom Brady.
- Established vet? Check... a 40-yo one to boot.
- Being pushed? Eh... going into the season more like shadowed, but when Jimmy G was not traded, the shadow grew longer.
I don't expect Tom to falter, but should he, or get injured, then the least sentimental HC in the NFL will see his 2018 UFA backup in action and all bets are off...
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Tour2ma nailed it! I've been thinking the same thing about Brady! He's an injury away from retirement. I remember how Peyton Manning lit it up his first year in Denver. Of course, he had Decker, Demarious Thomas, Julius Thomas, Emanuel Sanders, and Wes Welker.
But by year three it was the Bronco's Defense that was winning their games, not Manning! His arm looked like a wet noodle and he was throwing a lot of interceptions.
If Brady stays upright then I feel sorry for Garapolo! If he doesn't then Garapolo steps right into the role Brady stole from Drew Bledsoe.
Either way, their Division sucks!
Tannehill should be on the HOT Seat, then Alex Smith, Bortles, and maybe even Mr. Highly overpaid Flacco considering he seems to have caught the injury bug last two years. I think Dalton is secure unless he gets injured, Sam Bradford is just holding the job until Bridgewater comes back next year(if he ever comes back) and then there's Tyrod Taylor
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Hot seat for me implies an established starter with someone pushing them. Dalton fits this mold. He's established and has a backup in AJ McCarron that many are eager to see. Smith's KC situation seems like the 2nd best fit. Not too many others of those mentioned so far fit nearly as well IMO... but I have a new name I'll close with...
Placeholders aren't on a hot seat. Hoyer, Glennon and Savage are clearly placeholders. It's not a matter of "if", but "when" for them. Only difference in Hoyer's case is that his replacement arrives next season. Pretty much the same for any of the Jets QBs.
Browns differ from the Jets in that we have three contenders with more promise each than the Jets QBs have in total... unless my former darkhorse, Petty, turns it on.
No one is established, so the seat is cold.May be semantics, but I also do not think of Bortles and Tannehill as hot-seaters... more like QBs at a cross-roads. Neither has anyone pressing them.
Other young guns are still a year or so away from their crossroad. I count Goff in this group. A good 2017 will push it down the road another year; a bad one will set it in 2018.
And now the new name... Tom Brady.
- Established vet? Check... a 40-yo one to boot.
- Being pushed? Eh... going into the season more like shadowed, but when Jimmy G was not traded, the shadow grew longer.
I don't expect Tom to falter, but should he, or get injured, then the least sentimental HC in the NFL will see his 2018 UFA backup in action and all bets are off...
Hot seat for me implies an established starter with someone pushing them. Dalton fits this mold. He's established and has a backup in AJ McCarron that many are eager to see. Smith's KC situation seems like the 2nd best fit. Not too many others of those mentioned so far fit nearly as well IMO... but I have a new name I'll close with...
But, who is pushing Smith? I don't see Tyler Bray pushing him. Or Mahomes.
Placeholders aren't on a hot seat. Hoyer, Glennon and Savage are clearly placeholders. It's not a matter of "if", but "when" for them. Only difference in Hoyer's case is that his replacement arrives next season. Pretty much the same for any of the Jets QBs.
This is fair...but then....could Smith not fit here as well....given how high Mahomes was taken?
Browns differ from the Jets in that we have three contenders with more promise each than the Jets QBs have in total... unless my former darkhorse, Petty, turns it on.
No one is established, so the seat is cold.No love for Hackenberg?
May be semantics, but I also do not think of Bortles and Tannehill as hot-seaters... more like QBs at a cross-roads. Neither has anyone pressing them.
Tannehill, yes, agree. Bortles though.....they may become so fed up with him that they may be wiling to put Chad Henne in instead. So, while no one is pressing him...he is doing a good job of pressing himself.
Other young guns are still a year or so away from their crossroad. I count Goff in this group. A good 2017 will push it down the road another year; a bad one will set it in 2018.
And now the new name... Tom Brady.
- Established vet? Check... a 40-yo one to boot.
- Being pushed? Eh... going into the season more like shadowed, but when Jimmy G was not traded, the shadow grew longer.
I don't expect Tom to falter, but should he, or get injured, then the least sentimental HC in the NFL will see his 2018 UFA backup in action and all bets are off...
Fair point...but, yea, I don't see anything short of injury that would push him out.
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Actually under Adam Gase Tannehill had really turned it around until the injury in game 14.
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Actually under Adam Gase Tannehill had really turned it around until the injury in game 14.
Actually under Adam Gase Tannehill had really turned it around until the injury in game 14.
I still think this year is more or less a "prove it" year for Tannehill. Maybe having Gase is a big help for him.
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Actually under Adam Gase Tannehill had really turned it around until the injury in game 14.
I still think this year is more or less a "prove it" year for Tannehill. Maybe having Gase is a big help for him.
I still think this year is more or less a "prove it" year for Tannehill. Maybe having Gase is a big help for him.
They have added TEs Julius Thomas and Anthony Fasano to WRs Davante Parker, Kenny Stills and Jarvis Landry. They added WRs Carroo and Ford last year and this respectively.
More better weapons than in past years for Tannehill.
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Actually under Adam Gase Tannehill had really turned it around until the injury in game 14.
Actually under Adam Gase Tannehill had really turned it around until the injury in game 14.
Sorta... attempts per game were lowest since his rookie season largely due to Ajayi's breakout year. Yet his INT% was his highest and his TD:INT ratio was ~1.5:1.
Definitely a mixed bag...
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@boo-fagley said:
The fans are fed up with Smith. There will be hell to pay if he does not get better.
His personality is not likable either.
At this point in Smiths career... hes not getting better...
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Actually under Adam Gase Tannehill had really turned it around until the injury in game 14.
Sorta... attempts per game were lowest since his rookie season largely due to Ajayi's breakout year. Yet his INT% was his highest and his TD:INT ratio was ~1.5:1.
Definitely a mixed bag...
Sorta... attempts per game were lowest since his rookie season largely due to Ajayi's breakout year. Yet his INT% was his highest and his TD:INT ratio was ~1.5:1.
Definitely a mixed bag...
Don't try to confuse me with facts. I plan run for president in 2020. I spoke with the president of Mexico and he has his side of the wall just about built already. He has the invisible part so we can see the 60 lb bags of drugs coming over the top. Now that there is a mixed bag.
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@boo-fagley said:
The knock on Smith is that he cannot throw downfield.
Mahomes is suppose to have a rocket arm and that is why KC went after him so aggressively
A rocket arm don't mean shit if you're innaccurate.. Ask Joe Montana.. winner of 4 SB's..
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