Ship Osweiler?
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How would you feel about Trading Brock for the Phins back up Moore? He would be a good enough proven back up with a pissed attitude after getting the shaft in Miami (That is if we do stick with Kessler ) I mean he was the 2nd string and when the starter got hurt they over looked him? He was 2-2 last year as a starter........Just an idea. What we say does not amount to shit, just throwing the idea out there. To be honest I never thought Brock was going to make the team when we got him in the trade to begin with. GO BROWNS
How would you feel about Trading Brock for the Phins back up Moore? He would be a good enough proven back up with a pissed attitude after getting the shaft in Miami (That is if we do stick with Kessler ) I mean he was the 2nd string and when the starter got hurt they over looked him? He was 2-2 last year as a starter........Just an idea. What we say does not amount to shit, just throwing the idea out there. To be honest I never thought Brock was going to make the team when we got him in the trade to begin with. GO BROWNS
This just reeks of the Delhomme debacle. No thanks.
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I take exception to this. IN all honesty starting Ass-oiler is a move antithetical to what the FO has been blabbering about, and that I have been ear fucked with on this board for the past two years.
Building for the future? Exactly what future is there with Ass-oiler? Why does it even matter if he is playing better than the other guys? Am I to believe that the mystical brass ring we are reaching for extends only to the height of "he looked better than the other guys in camp?" This stupidity, inconsistency and hypocrisy is a big part of why I have grown so bitter towards this team, and in a large part, its fans.
If I was in Hue Jackson's shoes, I would be asking myself, "what tools are at my disposal to elevate this team and take it to a higher place than it has ever been before?" Starting Ass-Oiler is his answer?
If I was in Hue Jackson's shoes I would not be building a team around the level Ass-Oiler is playing. I would ask myself, who on this team can mature and play way above the level BO can play? THAT is the guy who gets the start. Deshone Kizer is the only QB the Browns have with unknown upside. He has greater physical skills, and from what I see, the kind of ego, fire and chutzpah to change the dynamics of an entire football team.
You guys can fucking debate analytics, mechanics and all the other mindless mental masturbation that surrounds the Browns continued low achievement behavior, but win, lose or bust, Deshone Kizer is the only active QB lottery ticket the Browns have. You know it, I know it and the experts know it. The only one who doesn't seem to know it is this dumb cocksucker head coach. There is nothing exciting in the potential offered by these other jackoff QBs. There is no potential wow factor in anyone but Kizer.
So why engineer a fucking young team around a QB that everyone not in a coma realizes, has absolutely no possibility of being the teams leader a year from now? We have already seen this shitbag of Hogan, Kessler, Ass-Oiler and the pizza delivery guy.
For the love of Christ, if you spew that you are building for the future, play the only fucking guy you have who represents a possibility of being here in the future. Play Kizer. Start Kizer. Send a message that Kizer is the fucking leader and that EVERYONE needs to help this guy achieve success. Let the goddamned guy fuck up. Let him stink the plact to high heaven. Let him make big plays. Let him learn. See his shortcomings and work with him, develop him.
I can't even believe that after drafting the kid we are fucking around with a turd because what? We may win a few games more with him?
Fucking self-deprecating, self-limiting,stupid, idiotic. aim for 3 - 13 logic. Hue Jackson is an incompetent jackoff. What fucking tone is this guy setting?
Kizer has no fire and chuzpah.. He has the personality of a dumb rock.
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Kizer will start, Kessler will be backup, Osweiler is no doubt being shown off in hopes that we'll get a quasi-Bradford deal from a playoff team in need. If he's not shopped, he'll stay on through the season as insurance and shopped next season pre-draft.
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Ossie will be shopped and become someone's franchise QB. Browns fans will say WTF happened here?
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I'd be happy with a 4th
I'd be happy with whatever. Don't want Brock on this team at all.
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Who starts at QB to open the NFL season?
This is the NFL. It is the pinnacle of football in the US. It's not Tee-Ball where all the kiddies get to play.
You play the QB that gives you the BEST chance to win the game.
So, you go through camp and the preseason and if the Ostrich has outplayed the rest then HE starts. Period! That is what you owe to the team and it's what you should do at all positions.
Now...as we go through the season...if we see that the team is not winning games...and we're not going to be going to the playoffs...and the QB is not lighting it up...then, IMO, if Kizer seems ready enough to play tackle football then he should be put in to see what sort of future might be in store for him.
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Who starts at QB to open the NFL season?
This is the NFL. It is the pinnacle of football in the US. It's not Tee-Ball where all the kiddies get to play.
You play the QB that gives you the BEST chance to win the game.
So, you go through camp and the preseason and if the Ostrich has outplayed the rest then HE starts. Period! That is what you owe to the team and it's what you should do at all positions.
Now...as we go through the season...if we see that the team is not winning games...and we're not going to be going to the playoffs...and the QB is not lighting it up...then, IMO, if Kizer seems ready enough to play tackle football then he should be put in to see what sort of future might be in store for him.
Who starts at QB to open the NFL season?
This is the NFL. It is the pinnacle of football in the US. It's not Tee-Ball where all the kiddies get to play.
You play the QB that gives you the BEST chance to win the game.
So, you go through camp and the preseason and if the Ostrich has outplayed the rest then HE starts. Period! That is what you owe to the team and it's what you should do at all positions.
Now...as we go through the season...if we see that the team is not winning games...and we're not going to be going to the playoffs...and the QB is not lighting it up...then, IMO, if Kizer seems ready enough to play tackle football then he should be put in to see what sort of future might be in store for him.
Well then dump Osweiler and it's no longer an issue. Then it's whoever is left that gives you the best chance.
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Who starts at QB to open the NFL season?
This is the NFL. It is the pinnacle of football in the US. It's not Tee-Ball where all the kiddies get to play.
You play the QB that gives you the BEST chance to win the game.
So, you go through camp and the preseason and if the Ostrich has outplayed the rest then HE starts. Period! That is what you owe to the team and it's what you should do at all positions.
Now...as we go through the season...if we see that the team is not winning games...and we're not going to be going to the playoffs...and the QB is not lighting it up...then, IMO, if Kizer seems ready enough to play tackle football then he should be put in to see what sort of future might be in store for him.
Well then dump Osweiler and it's no longer an issue. Then it's whoever is left that gives you the best chance.
Well then dump Osweiler and it's no longer an issue. Then it's whoever is left that gives you the best chance.
That's ONE theory I guess....
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I doubt seriously the theory that we are trying to showcase Ossie so we can foist him on someone else. Our current meager choices at QB preclude that, especially if he proves out far better than expected and the best one on the team. If he beats the others out, then he's our QB and we eat the contract.
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http://espn.com/blog/cleveland//post/_/id/3609 Grossi reacts to hoolie's post(again)
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With his initials being B.O. I don't know why the Texans were so surprised when it turned out that he stinks...
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Here is part of the article that Gumby posted.....with some key comments highlighted....
The biggest tip-off of a switch to Osweiler – and not to rookie DeShone Kizer – was Jackson’s stated desire to win a game on Thursday to set a tone for the preseason. “I want to go through the weekend, go through last night and go through today and really sit down and make what I think is the best decision for our football team for Thursday night,” Jackson said. “That is what is important. I will keep stressing that Thursday night may be different than what the regular season may be. If it is, it is. If it isn’t, then it isn’t, too. My job is to make sure that I put the guy out there who gives us the best chance to score points and help this team win. That is what I’m going to do.” Jackson conceded that he has a different urgency about this preseason than last year, when the Browns went 0-4 in practice games and proceeded to lose 14 in a row in the real season en route to a 1-15 debacle. “I do not want to go 0-4 again,” Jackson said. “I don’t want to feel like that. I don’t think this team deserves that. We need to go out and play good in front of our fans and go win. I don’t care what we are playing. I just think that has got to be our mindset. I think the mindset is different than what it is. If we are going to play, we need to go win. Everybody … says that, but I mean it. We need to go win.”
So, when I read between the lines, here is what Im hearing Hue say.....
1) Whoever I start this Thursday is the guy I think gives us the best chance to score and win
2) But......It may only be one game that he starts....
3) We will try to win a preseason game, but once the real season starts, we might go with a QB who doesnt give us the best chance to win....
Sounds like Hue "wants" to start one guy, but isnt confident he will have that guy going forward.....just my take.....
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My hunches are:
Kessler's arm limits him, and puts pressure on him to be successful in what he does well, the shorter passing game.
Oswilder (lol) should work out with Bernie Kosar, and learn to use his brain more than his feet. Maybe that would work.
He holds onto the ball too long. Maybe he's just thinking at this point.
Hogan, in practice that we went to... gets rid of the ball quickly. He does a nice job.
Kizer - just won't be ready to start - too much to learn for anybody. Look at last year's top two qb's... they had their
struggles. But it seems he may have a better arm than Wentz. Kizer may just be a future star.
Advantage to start - Kessler, He knows the offense, bigtime. At this point, so does Hogan. Looks like Hogan
has developed a much quicker release - he looks good.
Very interesting.
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My hunches are:
Kessler's arm limits him, and puts pressure on him to be successful in what he does well, the shorter passing game.
Oswilder (lol) should work out with Bernie Kosar, and learn to use his brain more than his feet. Maybe that would work.
He holds onto the ball too long. Maybe he's just thinking at this point.
Hogan, in practice that we went to... gets rid of the ball quickly. He does a nice job.
Kizer - just won't be ready to start - too much to learn for anybody. Look at last year's top two qb's... they had their
struggles. But it seems he may have a better arm than Wentz. Kizer may just be a future star.
Advantage to start - Kessler, He knows the offense, bigtime. At this point, so does Hogan. Looks like Hogan
has developed a much quicker release - he looks good.
Very interesting.
My hunches are:
Kessler's arm limits him, and puts pressure on him to be successful in what he does well, the shorter passing game.
Oswilder (lol) should work out with Bernie Kosar, and learn to use his brain more than his feet. Maybe that would work.
He holds onto the ball too long. Maybe he's just thinking at this point.
Hogan, in practice that we went to... gets rid of the ball quickly. He does a nice job.
Kizer - just won't be ready to start - too much to learn for anybody. Look at last year's top two qb's... they had their
struggles. But it seems he may have a better arm than Wentz. Kizer may just be a future star.
Advantage to start - Kessler, He knows the offense, bigtime. At this point, so does Hogan. Looks like Hogan
has developed a much quicker release - he looks good.
Very interesting.
Cant totally agree.....I think a HUGE part of the reason ALL these guys hold the ball is because no one is ever open.....even Hue alluded to that this week.....and it aint because our DB's are great....it's because our WR's aren't....
Kizer might have a stronger arm.....but I wouldnt call it "better", as touch and accuracy are completely lacking.....we've had strong armed inaccurate touchless QB's before.....Derek Anderson and Brandom Weeden being the most recent....
Hogan doesnt really "look good".....not at all....kind of scary that he stands out against Kessler and Kizer tho.....
Kessler does a short passing game well?....it's all he does and he never gets a TD or even a first down.....wouldnt call that doing well, really
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Here is part of the article that Gumby posted.....with some key comments highlighted....
The biggest tip-off of a switch to Osweiler – and not to rookie DeShone Kizer – was Jackson’s stated desire to win a game on Thursday to set a tone for the preseason. “I want to go through the weekend, go through last night and go through today and really sit down and make what I think is the best decision for our football team for Thursday night,” Jackson said. “That is what is important. I will keep stressing that Thursday night may be different than what the regular season may be. If it is, it is. If it isn’t, then it isn’t, too. My job is to make sure that I put the guy out there who gives us the best chance to score points and help this team win. That is what I’m going to do.” Jackson conceded that he has a different urgency about this preseason than last year, when the Browns went 0-4 in practice games and proceeded to lose 14 in a row in the real season en route to a 1-15 debacle. “I do not want to go 0-4 again,” Jackson said. “I don’t want to feel like that. I don’t think this team deserves that. We need to go out and play good in front of our fans and go win. I don’t care what we are playing. I just think that has got to be our mindset. I think the mindset is different than what it is. If we are going to play, we need to go win. Everybody … says that, but I mean it. We need to go win.”
So, when I read between the lines, here is what Im hearing Hue say.....
1) Whoever I start this Thursday is the guy I think gives us the best chance to score and win
2) But......It may only be one game that he starts....
3) We will try to win a preseason game, but once the real season starts, we might go with a QB who doesnt give us the best chance to win....
Sounds like Hue "wants" to start one guy, but isnt confident he will have that guy going forward.....just my take.....
So, when I read between the lines, here is what Im hearing Hue say.....
1) Whoever I start this Thursday is the guy I think gives us the best chance to score and win
2) But......It may only be one game that he starts....
3) We will try to win a preseason game, but once the real season starts, we might go with a QB who doesnt give us the best chance to win....
Sounds like Hue "wants" to start one guy, but isnt confident he will have that guy going forward.....just my take.....
Happy B-day Mudman!! What are your thoughts on getting the Harvard Connection involved in Hue's decision? Group football decisions should not come from non-football people but this ties to Brock's future surely imo. I think the plan was Kizer at home (2 see where it goes) than showcase Brock on road final 2? I'd almost bet Kizer can't sleep on 1 bad toss up at scrimmage. Enjoy Your Day..
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So, when I read between the lines, here is what Im hearing Hue say.....
1) Whoever I start this Thursday is the guy I think gives us the best chance to score and win
2) But......It may only be one game that he starts....
3) We will try to win a preseason game, but once the real season starts, we might go with a QB who doesnt give us the best chance to win....
Sounds like Hue "wants" to start one guy, but isnt confident he will have that guy going forward.....just my take.....
Happy B-day Mudman!! What are your thoughts on getting the Harvard Connection involved in Hue's decision? Group football decisions should not come from non-football people but this ties to Brock's future surely imo. I think the plan was Kizer at home (2 see where it goes) than showcase Brock on road final 2? I'd almost bet Kizer can't sleep on 1 bad toss up at scrimmage. Enjoy Your Day..
Happy B-day Mudman!! What are your thoughts on getting the Harvard Connection involved in Hue's decision? Group football decisions should not come from non-football people but this ties to Brock's future surely imo. I think the plan was Kizer at home (2 see where it goes) than showcase Brock on road final 2? I'd almost bet Kizer can't sleep on 1 bad toss up at scrimmage. Enjoy Your Day..
Well....I dont like the idea of consulting the Haavaad guys any more than you do....but think Huey has no choice......and think he is gun shy and afraid to go with Oz, because he knows they will trade him whether Hue wants them to or not....
Thats the issue....I dont think Hue is on board with so many of these moves....but he is a good camper....indeed....
So....my guess....he asks them "if oz does well, can I keep him?"........thats the consult....
Kizer(in his own words) gets in his own head way too much....can sleep, cant play, distracted, etc....thats why he had that shit year at ND....he said it, not me.....
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How would you feel about Trading Brock for the Phins back up Moore? He would be a good enough proven back up with a pissed attitude after getting the shaft in Miami (That is if we do stick with Kessler ) I mean he was the 2nd string and when the starter got hurt they over looked him? He was 2-2 last year as a starter........Just an idea. What we say does not amount to shit, just throwing the idea out there. To be honest I never thought Brock was going to make the team when we got him in the trade to begin with. GO BROWNS
@boo-fagley said:
You are correct Sir.
My mistake. If Tanny doesnt come back from this next season he could be gone, The Dolphins are in sort of a quandary at QB too. Drafting a QB in 2018 is not out of the realm of possibility.
Cool... I've been knighted...
Agree on Tanny... I think we both saw this as a year of great importance for him. It's going to be hard for MIA to stand pat with the season generating no additional input.
How would you feel about Trading Brock for the Phins back up Moore?
Ummmm... no.
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With his initials being B.O. I don't know why the Texans were so surprised when it turned out that he stinks...
With his initials being B.O. I don't know why the Texans were so surprised when it turned out that he stinks...
Welcome Aboard St.Pete,Fla...won't matter if his name was B Ooger if he puts more points on the board than the other team in Cleveland..He seems "all in" on Hues system with a positive taking to his teammates at this point..A good re-start is all he can show all teams
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Here is part of the article that Gumby posted.....with some key comments highlighted....
The biggest tip-off of a switch to Osweiler – and not to rookie DeShone Kizer – was Jackson’s stated desire to win a game on Thursday to set a tone for the preseason. “I want to go through the weekend, go through last night and go through today and really sit down and make what I think is the best decision for our football team for Thursday night,” Jackson said. “That is what is important. I will keep stressing that Thursday night may be different than what the regular season may be. If it is, it is. If it isn’t, then it isn’t, too. My job is to make sure that I put the guy out there who gives us the best chance to score points and help this team win. That is what I’m going to do.” Jackson conceded that he has a different urgency about this preseason than last year, when the Browns went 0-4 in practice games and proceeded to lose 14 in a row in the real season en route to a 1-15 debacle. “I do not want to go 0-4 again,” Jackson said. “I don’t want to feel like that. I don’t think this team deserves that. We need to go out and play good in front of our fans and go win. I don’t care what we are playing. I just think that has got to be our mindset. I think the mindset is different than what it is. If we are going to play, we need to go win. Everybody … says that, but I mean it. We need to go win.”
So, when I read between the lines, here is what Im hearing Hue say.....
1) Whoever I start this Thursday is the guy I think gives us the best chance to score and win
2) But......It may only be one game that he starts....
3) We will try to win a preseason game, but once the real season starts, we might go with a QB who doesnt give us the best chance to win....
Sounds like Hue "wants" to start one guy, but isnt confident he will have that guy going forward.....just my take.....
Jackson conceded that he has a different urgency about this preseason than last year, when the Browns went 0-4 in practice games and proceeded to lose 14 in a row in the real season en route to a 1-15 debacle. “I do not want to go 0-4 again,” Jackson said. “I don’t want to feel like that. I don’t think this team deserves that. We need to go out and play good in front of our fans and go win. I don’t care what we are playing. I just think that has got to be our mindset. I think the mindset is different than what it is. If we are going to play, we need to go win. Everybody … says that, but I mean it. We need to go win.”Man... that's putting a lot of undue emphasis on a meaningless game for a young team that does not know how to win. It's all good if you win it, but if you lose?
And even in a "win" it could force stupid decisions like playing starters longer than the customary series or two in the opener. Exposes them to injury and reduces the time the bubble players get... the players you want to see.
Well....I dont like the idea of consulting the Haavaad guys any more than you do....but think Huey has no choice......and think he is gun shy and afraid to go with Oz, because he knows they will trade him whether Hue wants them to or not....
So....my guess....he asks them "if oz does well, can I keep him?"........thats the consult....
Hadn't really thought about the role of "the Harvard guys" in the Osweiler deal before. What's interesting is that they chimed in at the time of the deal and weren't put off by Brock's prospects.
I'm sure their evaluations continue in frequent consultation with Hue.
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