Ship Osweiler?
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Well Cutler is off to Miami, so I guess we can put this to rest until the next starting QB goes down.
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Well Cutler is off to Miami, so I guess we can put this to rest until the next starting QB goes down.
Well Cutler is off to Miami, so I guess we can put this to rest until the next starting QB goes down.
So, where does that leave Kaepernick?
And, riddle me this....just looking at football, is he any worse than the guys we have on this team? (at least the so called veterans: B.O/ Kessler?
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@boo-fagley said:
Isn't that Tannys 2nd knee injury?
I think you have to bite the bullet and sign Kapernick if I am Miami.
It's the same knee and same injury that he did not have surgery to repair. Partial ACL tear that apparently should have been repaired when it happened late 2016.
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@boo-fagley said:
Why? His moves are solid.
This front office is different.
Eh....FO's dont pick who starts...coaches do....
How would shashi or Depo have any knowledge on which player looks best at camp??....neither are talent evaluators nor are they at camp....and both rely on coaches and scouts for their information......soooo, if they rely on their coaches to tell them who plays best, why would the coaches then need to consult them on who should start?....see the dilemma?
Unless, of course, the coach needs to know if that player is gonna be here when the season starts.....which is my point....
Nothing else for Shashi to input on.....cept that....^^^^
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@boo-fagley said:
Why? His moves are solid.
This front office is different.
Eh....FO's dont pick who starts...coaches do....
How would shashi or Depo have any knowledge on which player looks best at camp??....neither are talent evaluators nor are they at camp....and both rely on coaches and scouts for their information......soooo, if they rely on their coaches to tell them who plays best, why would the coaches then need to consult them on who should start?....see the dilemma?
Unless, of course, the coach needs to know if that player is gonna be here when the season starts.....which is my point....
Nothing else for Shashi to input on.....cept that....^^^^
Eh....FO's dont pick who starts...coaches do....
How would shashi or Depo have any knowledge on which player looks best at camp??....neither are talent evaluators nor are they at camp....and both rely on coaches and scouts for their information......soooo, if they rely on their coaches to tell them who plays best, why would the coaches then need to consult them on who should start?....see the dilemma?
Unless, of course, the coach needs to know if that player is gonna be here when the season starts.....which is my point....
Nothing else for Shashi to input on.....cept that....^^^^
Pretty huge "cept". 🥷
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@boo-fagley said:
Why? His moves are solid.
This front office is different.
Eh....FO's dont pick who starts...coaches do....
How would shashi or Depo have any knowledge on which player looks best at camp??....neither are talent evaluators nor are they at camp....and both rely on coaches and scouts for their information......soooo, if they rely on their coaches to tell them who plays best, why would the coaches then need to consult them on who should start?....see the dilemma?
Unless, of course, the coach needs to know if that player is gonna be here when the season starts.....which is my point....
Nothing else for Shashi to input on.....cept that....^^^^
Unless, of course, the coach needs to know if that player is gonna be here when the season starts.....which is my point....
Nothing else for Shashi to input on.....cept that....^^^^
Yup. Sashi has last say on the roster. So I'd imagine Hue has to communicate to Sashi, "Don't trade away Brock. I need him as my starter."
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I don't fully understand the theory that Brock can't be the QB of the future here. Guy's only 26, so probably has a lot of miles left.
I think my main issue was the bizarre ass spin on it when we picked him up. It was "Hey, we got another second round pick!!! ...and this guy." The FO could have totally handled that better.
"We thought this was a great opportunity to raise the level of competition in the QB room with a guy who has seen some success in the NF of L, and let him compete and blah blah blah..."
A part of me kinda wants to see the guy flip out midde fingers and 20 yard completions at such a high rate that he demands the starting job. I mean shit, we've tried every other path to a successful starting QB, why not that?
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Brock Lobster named starting QB of Browns first preseason game.
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Brock Lobster named starting QB of Browns first preseason game.
Brock Lobster named starting QB of Browns first preseason game.
Rock out with your Brock out
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@boo-fagley said:
Why? His moves are solid.
This front office is different.
Eh....FO's dont pick who starts...coaches do....
How would shashi or Depo have any knowledge on which player looks best at camp??....neither are talent evaluators nor are they at camp....and both rely on coaches and scouts for their information......soooo, if they rely on their coaches to tell them who plays best, why would the coaches then need to consult them on who should start?....see the dilemma?
Unless, of course, the coach needs to know if that player is gonna be here when the season starts.....which is my point....
Nothing else for Shashi to input on.....cept that....^^^^
How would shashi or Depo have any knowledge on which player looks best at camp??....neither are talent evaluators nor are they at camp....and both rely on coaches and scouts for their information......soooo, if they rely on their coaches to tell them who plays best, why would the coaches then need to consult them on who should start?....see the dilemma?
Camp is not in Berea?
Good question on how the FO would know. What are all of our scouts doing at present? Advance scouts have nothing to do until preseason games are underway. Are college scouts watching practices?
I would think having most, if not all, scouts in Berea right now, watching our practices when we're on the field and meeting when they are not to give feedback and set out their department's schedule for the coming season would make a lot of sense.
I don't fully understand the theory that Brock can't be the QB of the future here. Guy's only 26, so probably has a lot of miles left.
Age or miles isn't the issue... ceiling is. He was seen as a middling talent coming out of ASU and hasn't done much to change that view as a pro.
I think the surprise is the lack of 2nd year progress by Kess.
Brock Lobster named starting QB of Browns first preseason game.
SHOWCASE!
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
How would shashi or Depo have any knowledge on which player looks best at camp??....neither are talent evaluators nor are they at camp....and both rely on coaches and scouts for their information......soooo, if they rely on their coaches to tell them who plays best, why would the coaches then need to consult them on who should start?....see the dilemma?
Camp is not in Berea?
Good question on how the FO would know. What are all of our scouts doing at present? Advance scouts have nothing to do until preseason games are underway. Are college scouts watching practices?
I would think having most, if not all, scouts in Berea right now, watching our practices when we're on the field and meeting when they are not to give feedback and set out their department's schedule for the coming season would make a lot of sense.
I don't fully understand the theory that Brock can't be the QB of the future here. Guy's only 26, so probably has a lot of miles left.
Age or miles isn't the issue... ceiling is. He was seen as a middling talent coming out of ASU and hasn't done much to change that view as a pro.
I think the surprise is the lack of 2nd year progress by Kess.
Brock Lobster named starting QB of Browns first preseason game.
SHOWCASE!
SHOWCASE!
So....Ill guess that you agree there is a good chance he's gonna be gone......whether Hue wants him or not?
Or.....do you think Hue is BSing and he really doesnt believe Brock gives us the best chance to "score and win"...(his words)....
And....on the Hue consulting with Harvard guys thing.....what do think the convo centers around?......whether Hue can count on Brock being here or who Shashi thinks is best to start?......and why would Shashi input on that, other than a lack of trust in Hues opinion or that he has a plan that conflicts with Hues?
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SHOWCASE!
So....Ill guess that you agree there is a good chance he's gonna be gone......whether Hue wants him or not?
Or.....do you think Hue is BSing and he really doesnt believe Brock gives us the best chance to "score and win"...(his words)....
And....on the Hue consulting with Harvard guys thing.....what do think the convo centers around?......whether Hue can count on Brock being here or who Shashi thinks is best to start?......and why would Shashi input on that, other than a lack of trust in Hues opinion or that he has a plan that conflicts with Hues?
So....Ill guess that you agree there is a good chance he's gonna be gone......whether Hue wants him or not?
Or.....do you think Hue is BSing and he really doesnt believe Brock gives us the best chance to "score and win"...(his words)....
And....on the Hue consulting with Harvard guys thing.....what do think the convo centers around?......whether Hue can count on Brock being here or who Shashi thinks is best to start?......and why would Shashi input on that, other than a lack of trust in Hues opinion or that he has a plan that conflicts with Hues?
One reason Hue and Sachi may consult......because of Sachi's job. They may say: who the hell else is out there that we could bring in since Kessler, B.O. seem to be pure drivel.....and Kizer ain't ready.
Can you think of any names of any available QBs?
(FYI...I understand that the Dolphins actually had discussions....serious or not about both Kyle Orton and Tim Tebow...both having worked with Gase in Denver).
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SHOWCASE!
So....Ill guess that you agree there is a good chance he's gonna be gone......whether Hue wants him or not?
Or.....do you think Hue is BSing and he really doesnt believe Brock gives us the best chance to "score and win"...(his words)....
And....on the Hue consulting with Harvard guys thing.....what do think the convo centers around?......whether Hue can count on Brock being here or who Shashi thinks is best to start?......and why would Shashi input on that, other than a lack of trust in Hues opinion or that he has a plan that conflicts with Hues?
So....Ill guess that you agree there is a good chance he's gonna be gone......whether Hue wants him or not?
Or.....do you think Hue is BSing and he really doesnt believe Brock gives us the best chance to "score and win"...(his words)....
And....on the Hue consulting with Harvard guys thing.....what do think the convo centers around?......whether Hue can count on Brock being here or who Shashi thinks is best to start?......and why would Shashi input on that, other than a lack of trust in Hues opinion or that he has a plan that conflicts with Hues?
"Mr. Fader, you sure ask a lot of questions for someone from New Jersey!."
First, "Showcase" was a joke. Moving Brock to work against the 1's is not the way to showcase him. Whether he continues in the game against the 2's will be interesting. I still do not like the pressure Hue is generating for this game.
On your other points:
- I don't see us trading our regular-season starting QB out from under Hue.
- I believe Hue. At this point it seems Brock has earned the start that is three days away. It's a long way until regular season.
- I think there's room in Hue's and his Coordinators' week for a sit down with Department Heads comparing notes on what they are seeing out of every player. There would certainly be room in that to discuss any on-going trade inquires teams are making about any players we have rostered.
- I would also expect at least Sashi and Berry to be sitting in, but participating very little in, Hue's full staff meetings where players' progress is discussed.
- DePo and the real Analytics core? They likely tabulate what they see/measure in practice and submit reports daily to Hue as well as key FO.
Sashi & Co. sets the 53. Hue & Co. sets the starting lineup. That hasn't changed. That there is a potential conflict around a player means the conversation must flow. The only thing that can make any disagreement worse is if it is accompanied by surprise.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
So what I said would happen months ago, is indeed solidifying. Hue is clueless when it comes to the QWB. The Browns have no plan, no lead hore, and pretty much are going to throw shit on the wall and hope something sticks.
Un-fucking-believable.
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I predicted the day before camp started that the Ostrich would be the starter because I did not believe that Kessler could increase his ball speed (I think you're born with or without it) and that Kizer, being a rookie, would not beat him out.
But we haven't even played our first preseason game yet. The Ostrich can play himself out of the starter job.
Our current W/L record indicates that we're right in the thick of the hunt for a playoff spot. We have to put the 'current' best players out on the field. If / when we get to a point that we aren't going to the playoffs then you can start to get your future QB's feet wet.
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I predicted the day before camp started that the Ostrich would be the starter because I did not believe that Kessler could increase his ball speed (I think you're born with or without it) and that Kizer, being a rookie, would not beat him out.
But we haven't even played our first preseason game yet. The Ostrich can play himself out of the starter job.
Our current W/L record indicates that we're right in the thick of the hunt for a playoff spot. We have to put the 'current' best players out on the field. If / when we get to a point that we aren't going to the playoffs then you can start to get your future QB's feet wet.
I predicted the day before camp started that the Ostrich would be the starter...
Yup... and so far playing out pretty much as you thought it would. Makes you the leader at the Qtr-pole...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
So what I said would happen months ago, is indeed solidifying. Hue is clueless when it comes to the QWB. The Browns have no plan, no lead hore, and pretty much are going to throw shit on the wall and hope something sticks.
Un-fucking-believable.
So what I said would happen months ago, is indeed solidifying. Hue is clueless when it comes to the QWB. The Browns have no plan, no lead hore, and pretty much are going to throw shit on the wall and hope something sticks.
Un-fucking-believable.
Or Hue may be trying to light a fire under the other QBs asses. He seems hell bent on getting the team a taste of success, even if it is a meaningless game.
There is something to be said for making sure the other 52 guys are on board with the plan, whatever the hell the plan may be, and the other 52 guys wanna win now and belive that the 53rd guy manning QB 1 is the guy who can get them there.
If Kizer be that guy, the other 52 gotta see something from him to buy into that, otherwise they just start going through the motions.
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Makes you the leader at the Qtr-pole...
I prefer ' leader in the clubhouse ' that way I can be drinking.
The thing I like about the Ostrich is that he's a tall drink of water. You can't teach tall. Will he be just a repeat of the RG3 experiment? Where ultimately we wasted time on a flame-out QB? - Knowing our luck.....
I anxiously await our first preseason game. Can he move the team with the #1 receivers? What will Kizer look like in his first live action? And can Kessler shake off his scrimmage performance?
Our offense has a lot of questions to answer. Is our OL markedly better with the two new veterans? Will we be able to run the ball better? Has our WR/TE positions been improved over last year? Britt for Pryor and DeValve for Barnidge? Can Njoku perform like a 1st round pick? And of course, do we have a QB that's a worthy starter? - There's a lot we'll learn over the next few weeks. Hopefully it'll be positive and not forgettable.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
kessler fucking sucks jackson should have given all the reps to kizer last friday,instead he just mucked it up I don't get it as how fucking stupid Jackson is ,fire his ass now make willaims head coach and find someone to run the offense
kessler fucking sucks jackson should have given all the reps to kizer last friday,instead he just mucked it up I don't get it as how fucking stupid Jackson is ,fire his ass now make willaims head coach and find someone to run the offense
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