"Browns' hierarchy seems to prefer Derek Anderson over fan-favorite Brady Quinn"
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@shepwrite said:
Nice stuff, Riff. If somebody has a quote that indicates that the players love Anderson and hate Quinn, I've never seen it... and I read everything.Did you read about how Quinn pissed off the majority of the locker room by introducing McCain at the republican rally?
Yeah I'm sure everybody loved that. That's why RAC had to cut off political talk.
Did you read about how Quinn pissed off the majority of the locker room by introducing McCain at the republican rally?
Yeah I'm sure everybody loved that. That's why RAC had to cut off political talk.
Read what? What link? Why didn't you post it?
If it happened during the election it should be documented.
Post the link so we can read it.
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@shepwrite said:
Nice stuff, Riff. If somebody has a quote that indicates that the players love Anderson and hate Quinn, I've never seen it... and I read everything.Did you read about how Quinn pissed off the majority of the locker room by introducing McCain at the republican rally?
Yeah I'm sure everybody loved that. That's why RAC had to cut off political talk.
Did you read about how Quinn pissed off the majority of the locker room by introducing McCain at the republican rally?
Yeah I'm sure everybody loved that. That's why RAC had to cut off political talk.
Is this what you meant?
http://blogs.cantonrep.com/2008/10/freshbr...inn-and-mccain/
Perhaps you’ve heard. Brady Quinn introduced John McCain during a Cuyahoga County campaign stop Wednesday.
We guarantee this stirs things up in conversations among Browns players.
Romeo Crennel addressed the issue in a team meeting:
“Their politics are their politics. As long as they don’t interfere with the team … that’s my main concern, that they don’t get on a soap box in the locker room and get it going back and forth about their candidate.
“As long as he keeps it outside the building and outside the team, that’s his choice.
“If you get on a soap box and make it an issue … I told them, ‘Your poltiics is your politics. Don’t let it interfere with this team. Don’t let it interefere with your preparation.’�?
Defensive captain Willie McGinest has been a conspicuous supporter of Barack Obama.
Joe Thomas attended the McCain speech with Quinn. Neither Quinn nor Thomas was available for comment today. When a writer asked Thomas on the latter’s way out to practice who he’s voting for, he smiled and kept moving.
Perhaps you have guessed that Crennel did not endorse a candidate.
“The team comes first,” he said.
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DA's performance made me wince...It was very pathetic but even worse was when DA threw 4 picks against Cincy in the most important game of his life and when i counted most! DA was a 1/2 season wonder at best!
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Did you read about how Quinn pissed off the majority of the locker room by introducing McCain at the republican rally?
Yeah I'm sure everybody loved that. That's why RAC had to cut off political talk.
Is this what you meant?
http://blogs.cantonrep.com/2008/10/freshbr...inn-and-mccain/
Perhaps you’ve heard. Brady Quinn introduced John McCain during a Cuyahoga County campaign stop Wednesday.
We guarantee this stirs things up in conversations among Browns players.
Romeo Crennel addressed the issue in a team meeting:
“Their politics are their politics. As long as they don’t interfere with the team … that’s my main concern, that they don’t get on a soap box in the locker room and get it going back and forth about their candidate.
“As long as he keeps it outside the building and outside the team, that’s his choice.
“If you get on a soap box and make it an issue … I told them, ‘Your poltiics is your politics. Don’t let it interfere with this team. Don’t let it interefere with your preparation.’�?
Defensive captain Willie McGinest has been a conspicuous supporter of Barack Obama.
Joe Thomas attended the McCain speech with Quinn. Neither Quinn nor Thomas was available for comment today. When a writer asked Thomas on the latter’s way out to practice who he’s voting for, he smiled and kept moving.
Perhaps you have guessed that Crennel did not endorse a candidate.
“The team comes first,” he said.
Is this what you meant?
Yeah that's when RAC banned political talk in the locker room
[in other words, RAC said "put a sock in it, Quinn"]
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@shepwrite said:
Nice stuff, Riff. If somebody has a quote that indicates that the players love Anderson and hate Quinn, I've never seen it... and I read everything.Did you read about how Quinn pissed off the majority of the locker room by introducing McCain at the republican rally?
Yeah I'm sure everybody loved that. That's why RAC had to cut off political talk.
Did you read about how Quinn pissed off the majority of the locker room by introducing McCain at the republican rally?
Yeah I'm sure everybody loved that. That's why RAC had to cut off political talk.
Why don't you post the story you read so we can all read about the majority of the locker room being pissed off?
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Is this what you meant?
Yeah that's when RAC banned political talk in the locker room
[in other words, RAC said "put a sock in it, Quinn"]
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Look guys, lets stop asking for the digging up of old stuff.
I have seen it in articles by beat writers, veiled comments etc. that at least up to this point Q isn't the A#1 in the locker room.
Those guys don't usually get punched in the mouth.
Now....what has happened in the past is just that, the past. It doesn't have any impact on the future or that Q can't become the A#1.
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As some of you know, I'm a Realtor in Fort Lauderdale.
I just heard, BQ just bought a house down here this week.
My company also has Tim Couch's condo listing (for sale) here.
I'm sticking with Mangini & Amber -
As some of you know, I'm a Realtor in Fort Lauderdale.
I just heard, BQ just bought a house down here this week.
My company also has Tim Couch's condo listing (for sale) here.
As some of you know, I'm a Realtor in Fort Lauderdale.
I just heard, BQ just bought a house down here this week.
My company also has Tim Couch's condo listing (for sale) here.
Can he beat out McCown?
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As some of you know, I'm a Realtor in Fort Lauderdale.
I just heard, BQ just bought a house down here this week.
My company also has Tim Couch's condo listing (for sale) here.
As some of you know, I'm a Realtor in Fort Lauderdale.
I just heard, BQ just bought a house down here this week.
My company also has Tim Couch's condo listing (for sale) here.
but how can he be in Fort Lauderdale when we all know he spends 24 hrs a day in the weight room and/or film room?
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Which 1/2 season do you speak of?
Was it the first half of the season with 5 multi-passing-TD games and 5 wins?
Or was it the second half of the season with 5 multi-passing-TD games and 5 wins?
the first half obviously.... but the Cincinatti game ,in his biggest game, he shi t the bed! after all the teams learned how to defend his ass he sucked ass
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Riff, admittedly I haven't been on the board for the past year and I'm slowly catching up with all the banter that goes on here at the best message board in the nation---THE BROWNS BOARD...
Whats amazing to me is, while I took my sabaticle (sic) last June I did pop back on briefly toward the end of the season and it was like a soap opera... When I was a touring musician, soap operas were a staple, in that, you could miss a week or two of shows but you could get right back into the mix of things just by viewing one current show... The same seemed to apply to this board... Miss almost an entire season but when you get back it's the same ol' same ol'----Anderson vs Quinn debate......
Last season I had to be the luckiest Browns fan in the world.... I missed the entire season except for 1 quarter of the Giants game, both in the regular season and in the preseason.... I guess I must have seen the best of DA.... I did go to Berera multiple times in the summer of 2007 and to be quite truthful DA impressed the bejebbers out of me... That arm is something special... IMO its one of the best arms I've ever seen in the NFL....
Admittedly I'm a fan of DA's, I like the kid but can be quite objective toward both the good and bad in his game... On the other hand I thought that last years O cooridinator was one of the worst this organization has ever had.... When my then, nine year old grandson could predict the play that was about to be run it says volumes for the man actually calling the plays... The league didn't get a book on DA it got a book on Chud's play calling tendancies and he didn't let the league down.... When you know what play is coming chances are you'll be able to defend it quite well..... The worst player in the league was probably an All American in college and they all can play the game....
On the other hand I guess I'm old school, in that, when you draft a player in the 1st round logical thinking is that you give him every opportunity to lose the job on the field, not in practice... Quinn should have started last year in the 1st game of the season... With the concussion, DA was not at the top of his game and was a detriment to the team... Whoever called that shot should have been fired and in retrospect, he was....
What I see in Quinn is a player that can manage the game, someone who'll need multiple plays but will move the team toward the end zone and put the team in a position to score... I don't see a QB that will light it up, having big strike abilities that change the complexion of a game... I see that capability in Anderson
Although I like Anderson I still want to see Quinn in a meaningful game environment.... I want to see what he does against those damn Steelers because with the exception of Couch (speaking of the new Browns that is) we haven't had a QB that could beat them... I like Quinns atheleticism (is that a word??) he seems more fluid than DA and seems to have that certain something that all great QB's posses... The main problem is that I haven't seen enough of him to either annoint him the starter or kick him to the curb....
I'm sorry Shep, I strongly disagree with your statement that Quinn never had the chance to compete.... He was in camp for multiple seasons... Although Anderson was named the starter, Quinn was still competing for playing time and couldn't unseat DA... If the staff thought Quinn had something, wouldn't they have inserted him in the game in the 3rd or 4th quarter when Anderson was performing poorly???? Wouldn't the players have voiced their opinion when the season was going south???? Wouldn't the players have come to his defense, both vocally & physically, when Quinn got bitch slapped in the locker room????
respectfully;
T.Dawg
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Shep I stand by what I said, Quinn couldn't beat out DA, if he showed more he would have played more...
If I remember correctly, when Quinn was drafted Savage stated that we were going to do it the right way with him.. They were gonna go a la Carson Palmer and let him sit and watch the 1st year... However he did participate in every practice, every time he went under center he was competing... Thats the way it is in football camps... He's been through 2 summer camps & 2 offseason workouts.... For what ever reason he couldn't convince the staff that he deserved to start...
However, I think you're somewhat biased in your preference for Quinn... If I remember correctly (once again), when we drafted Thomas with our 1st pick didn't you rant that you were now an Arizona Cardnials fan because we bypassed Quinn???
I feel Quinn had an adequate opportunity to impress the former staff and he didn't do it... That staff is long gone and maybe it's because they didn't see the potential that Quinn had to offer... He now has the same opportunity with the new regime, maybe he will amp up his game to the point that he'll become our starter....
My point is, these guys are competing as soon as the put on their jock strap.... Every aspect of practices are taped and reviewed by the staff... If a player seems head and shoulders above another, usually he gets the nod...
I'm in agreement that Quinn has been mismanaged, not only by the former staff but also by his agent.... I'd like to see him on the field with the 1st unit and let the chips fall where they may... I'm just not ready to mortgage the farm on him cause I aint seen nothing yet but potential......
respectfully,
T.Dawg
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As some of you know, I'm a Realtor in Fort Lauderdale.
I just heard, BQ just bought a house down here this week.
My company also has Tim Couch's condo listing (for sale) here.
As some of you know, I'm a Realtor in Fort Lauderdale.
I just heard, BQ just bought a house down here this week.
My company also has Tim Couch's condo listing (for sale) here.
but how can he be in Fort Lauderdale when we all know he spends 24 hrs a day in the weight room and/or film room?
Glad you asked...it was bought "for him". Other people were down here looking (previewing our properties & others) and taking pictures for him.
We never saw him, we just knew it was for a "high profile" person. I found out it was for him, from his Realtor, about an hour ago.
Fact
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Hopefully it's just a vacation home!
I'm sticking with Mangini & Amber -
I'm a fan of "the staff knows best".
However, Tdawg's argument is faulty: the coaching/GM staff that apparently felt DA was better was unceremoniously fired. They failed. Utterly.
So, how we could use any of the prior regime's thinking on personnel is beyond me (QB's, Andra Davis, Shaffer, McGinnest, etc.).
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I'm a fan of "the staff knows best".
However, Tdawg's argument is faulty: the coaching/GM staff that apparently felt DA was better was unceremoniously fired. They failed. Utterly.
So, how we could use any of the prior regime's thinking on personnel is beyond me (QB's, Andra Davis, Shaffer, McGinnest, etc.).
I'm a fan of "the staff knows best".
However, Tdawg's argument is faulty: the coaching/GM staff that apparently felt DA was better was unceremoniously fired. They failed. Utterly.
So, how we could use any of the prior regime's thinking on personnel is beyond me (QB's, Andra Davis, Shaffer, McGinnest, etc.).
I'm still flabbergasted that those guys put so much stock in DA after that freakish half year against rancid defenses. They couldn't see the things we saw and at least have concerns? Instead, they just guaranteed him the starting job when he signed the contract.
It baffles me that a guy like Anderson who has such obvious flaws got a free pass based on potential because of his arm and the ability to stretch defenses. There is so much more to QBing effectively in the NFL than having a big arm, and DA has none of those other attributes.
Even with the cockpit he had in 2007 he was still a big liability at times, especially keeping drives alive when we had the lead. Sometimes I think we give these so called experts too much credit when they can't see what the average fan sees.
I'm still pissed off at how this franchise has handled this whole situation. DA had the job handed to him last year so it's only fair to let Quinn get the first team reps and get his shot.
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I'm a fan of "the staff knows best".
However, Tdawg's argument is faulty: the coaching/GM staff that apparently felt DA was better was unceremoniously fired. They failed. Utterly.
So, how we could use any of the prior regime's thinking on personnel is beyond me (QB's, Andra Davis, Shaffer, McGinnest, etc.).
I'm still flabbergasted that those guys put so much stock in DA after that freakish half year against rancid defenses. They couldn't see the things we saw and at least have concerns? Instead, they just guaranteed him the starting job when he signed the contract.
It baffles me that a guy like Anderson who has such obvious flaws got a free pass based on potential because of his arm and the ability to stretch defenses. There is so much more to QBing effectively in the NFL than having a big arm, and DA has none of those other attributes.
Even with the cockpit he had in 2007 he was still a big liability at times, especially keeping drives alive when we had the lead. Sometimes I think we give these so called experts too much credit when they can't see what the average fan sees.
I'm still pissed off at how this franchise has handled this whole situation. DA had the job handed to him last year so it's only fair to let Quinn get the first team reps and get his shot.
I'm still flabbergasted that those guys put so much stock in DA after that freakish half year against rancid defenses. They couldn't see the things we saw and at least have concerns? Instead, they just guaranteed him the starting job when he signed the contract.
It baffles me that a guy like Anderson who has such obvious flaws got a free pass based on potential because of his arm and the ability to stretch defenses. There is so much more to QBing effectively in the NFL than having a big arm, and DA has none of those other attributes.
Even with the cockpit he had in 2007 he was still a big liability at times, especially keeping drives alive when we had the lead. Sometimes I think we give these so called experts too much credit when they can't see what the average fan sees.
I'm still pissed off at how this franchise has handled this whole situation. DA had the job handed to him last year so it's only fair to let Quinn get the first team reps and get his shot.
You bring up a great point, heads should have rolled after the collapse of 2007 but the RAC mentality only rewarded it with a free pass. Hindsight sucks!
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As some of you know, I'm a Realtor in Fort Lauderdale.
I just heard, BQ just bought a house down here this week.
My company also has Tim Couch's condo listing (for sale) here.
but how can he be in Fort Lauderdale when we all know he spends 24 hrs a day in the weight room and/or film room?
Glad you asked...it was bought "for him". Other people were down here looking (previewing our properties & others) and taking pictures for him.
We never saw him, we just knew it was for a "high profile" person. I found out it was for him, from his Realtor, about an hour ago.
Fact
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Hopefully it's just a vacation home!
Hopefully it's just a vacation home!
Once the incentive based escalators in his contract kick in from taking 70% of the snaps this season, I imagine he'll engrave "70%" in the driveway.
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Dan, was that 'Down Here' as in Ft Lauderdale, or 'down here' as in 'someplace in Florida'?
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