Wtf is happening in Charlottesville?
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Frankly I don't think you are taking a realistic view of world history. Slavery was more and more unacceptable and would continue that way in the United States as it had in Europe. Plus it was increasingly dangerous and very expensive. And automation was certainly making it obsolete little by little. But you can read Lincoln's own words about his views on saving the union and freeing the slaves.
WSS
Actually, my understanding is based in fact. I understand the pressure to drop slavery that existed at the time from Europe and elsewhere. I also understand that it was necessary to pry it from the cold, dead hands of the people that held on to it. Like I said, the war erupted because the balance of power regarding slavery was due to be potentially upset by the direct threat of adding more slave or free states. So, I am referring to the synchronic forces in play, while you seem to prefer to emphasize the diachronic forces. It's a classic tit for tat in historical discussions, or so I learned in my doctoral history courses at OSU.
Your assessment is not based on fact because those circumstances never came to pass. Your assessment is based on speculation.Actually, my understanding is based in fact. I understand the pressure to drop slavery that existed at the time from Europe and elsewhere. I also understand that it was necessary to pry it from the cold, dead hands of the people that held on to it. Like I said, the war erupted because the balance of power regarding slavery was due to be potentially upset by the direct threat of adding more slave or free states. So, I am referring to the synchronic forces in play, while you seem to prefer to emphasize the diachronic forces. It's a classic tit for tat in historical discussions, or so I learned in my doctoral history courses at OSU.
And the speculation isn't even based on fact.
As I said before and you choose to ignore oil would soon replace cotton as the commodity of the day. The need for human labor would drop drastically. So why bear the expense and danger of keeping slaves?
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Such moral, good people on here.............
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Just what I expected from a narcissist. He tries to disband his two private business councils that had already decided to disband because of his Tuesday press conference.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/16/business/trumps-council-ceos.html?mcubz=0
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-business-advisory-council-to-disband-1502904005
Just pathetic.
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Fake news.
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Fake news.
Fake news.
No it is not fake news.
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Fake news.
No it is not fake news.
No it is not fake news.
Actually the disgusting part is that the man said absolutely nothing offensive. Yes the violence was caused by two groups clashing one that came with a permit and the other with baseball bats to attack the others. One fucking asshole came down from Ohio, probably a Michigan fan seeing as how he's from Toledo, and killed a person and he should be hanged for it. But to say that there's violence on both sides is extremely true.
Now these so-called Business Leaders are again scared shitless of people like Al Sharpton so they are falling all over themselves to do the wrong thing. Fuck them.
They are afraid of their own shadows and being called racists by some of the worst racists in the world. It really does suck and you really should understand it.
WSS
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Fake news.
No it is not fake news.
No it is not fake news.
Fuck these CEO's.
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Trump is just speaking the plain truth that the violence was on both sides. The Trump haters are going to pick him apart whatever he says. Trump specifically calls out the neo nazis and KKK as being evil and I don't know what else he can do or say to denounce them.
One thing I think Trump didn't say very well was that there were good people on both sides. I am sure he was meaning those people who are not racists but want the confederate statues to remain for heritage/historical reasons and have nothing to do with the white supremacist groups. He should have made that more clear as there are no good people in the KKK, white supremacist groups or neo nazis.
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And yet not only did he not condemn BLM after police officers were murdered by them but he invited the motherfuckers to the White House and Hillary dragged them up on stage with her.Obama not mentioning Islamic Terrorism and more stringently denouncing violence against law enforcement as retaliation. Trump not condemning the "white nationalist" movement as racist and not referring to the attack as domestic terrorism.
All wrong in my book.
WSS
And yet not only did he not condemn BLM after police officers were murdered by them but he invited the motherfuckers to the White House and Hillary dragged them up on stage with her.
WSS
Again not defending it. But again why does Obama's missteps excuse Trump"s?
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No it is not fake news.
Actually the disgusting part is that the man said absolutely nothing offensive. Yes the violence was caused by two groups clashing one that came with a permit and the other with baseball bats to attack the others. One fucking asshole came down from Ohio, probably a Michigan fan seeing as how he's from Toledo, and killed a person and he should be hanged for it. But to say that there's violence on both sides is extremely true.
Now these so-called Business Leaders are again scared shitless of people like Al Sharpton so they are falling all over themselves to do the wrong thing. Fuck them.
They are afraid of their own shadows and being called racists by some of the worst racists in the world. It really does suck and you really should understand it.
WSS
Actually the disgusting part is that the man said absolutely nothing offensive. Yes the violence was caused by two groups clashing one that came with a permit and the other with baseball bats to attack the others. One fucking asshole came down from Ohio, probably a Michigan fan seeing as how he's from Toledo, and killed a person and he should be hanged for it. But to say that there's violence on both sides is extremely true.
Now these so-called Business Leaders are again scared shitless of people like Al Sharpton so they are falling all over themselves to do the wrong thing. Fuck them.
They are afraid of their own shadows and being called racists by some of the worst racists in the world. It really does suck and you really should understand it.
WSS
Came with a permit... And Shields and clubs and guns
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Actually the disgusting part is that the man said absolutely nothing offensive. Yes the violence was caused by two groups clashing one that came with a permit and the other with baseball bats to attack the others. One fucking asshole came down from Ohio, probably a Michigan fan seeing as how he's from Toledo, and killed a person and he should be hanged for it. But to say that there's violence on both sides is extremely true.
Now these so-called Business Leaders are again scared shitless of people like Al Sharpton so they are falling all over themselves to do the wrong thing. Fuck them.
They are afraid of their own shadows and being called racists by some of the worst racists in the world. It really does suck and you really should understand it.
WSS
Came with a permit... And Shields and clubs and guns
Came with a permit... And Shields and clubs and guns
Gotta love the posters in this board. Trump could say the sun rises in the west and sets in the east and they'd say well Obamacare is ruining the middle class. SMH
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Trump is just speaking the plain truth that the violence was on both sides. The Trump haters are going to pick him apart whatever he says. Trump specifically calls out the neo nazis and KKK as being evil and I don't know what else he can do or say to denounce them.
One thing I think Trump didn't say very well was that there were good people on both sides. I am sure he was meaning those people who are not racists but want the confederate statues to remain for heritage/historical reasons and have nothing to do with the white supremacist groups. He should have made that more clear as there are no good people in the KKK, white supremacist groups or neo nazis.
One thing I think Trump didn't say very well was that there were good people on both sides. I am sure he was meaning those people who are not racists but want the confederate statues to remain for heritage/historical reasons and have nothing to do with the white supremacist groups. He should have made that more clear as there are no good people in the KKK, white supremacist groups or neo nazis.
More unfortunately he was speaking specifically about the Friday night torchlight rally when talking about good people within that march who just want the statues of our heritage to remain. And anyone with a lick of sense that actually fit that bill would have just left when the Nazi chants started. So I think he is dead wrong that there were any good people there interested only in preserving history. I qualify 3 times over to join the Sons of the Confederacy, but I have no doubt this is just a cover for a racist group and not history buffs per se. So I don't join and I don't attend though I love reading Civil War history. No "good people" with a brain would ever find themselves marching in torchlight parades like Friday's and no one with a brain would think there were any good people there either.
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clueless in the northeast.....
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Came with a permit... And Shields and clubs and guns
Gotta love the posters in this board. Trump could say the sun rises in the west and sets in the east and they'd say well Obamacare is ruining the middle class. SMH
He said there was blame on both sides.Gotta love the posters in this board. Trump could say the sun rises in the west and sets in the east and they'd say well Obamacare is ruining the middle class. SMH
There was.
And is.
WSS
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One thing I think Trump didn't say very well was that there were good people on both sides. I am sure he was meaning those people who are not racists but want the confederate statues to remain for heritage/historical reasons and have nothing to do with the white supremacist groups. He should have made that more clear as there are no good people in the KKK, white supremacist groups or neo nazis.
More unfortunately he was speaking specifically about the Friday night torchlight rally when talking about good people within that march who just want the statues of our heritage to remain. And anyone with a lick of sense that actually fit that bill would have just left when the Nazi chants started. So I think he is dead wrong that there were any good people there interested only in preserving history. I qualify 3 times over to join the Sons of the Confederacy, but I have no doubt this is just a cover for a racist group and not history buffs per se. So I don't join and I don't attend though I love reading Civil War history. No "good people" with a brain would ever find themselves marching in torchlight parades like Friday's and no one with a brain would think there were any good people there either.
More unfortunately he was speaking specifically about the Friday night torchlight rally when talking about good people within that march who just want the statues of our heritage to remain. And anyone with a lick of sense that actually fit that bill would have just left when the Nazi chants started. So I think he is dead wrong that there were any good people there interested only in preserving history. I qualify 3 times over to join the Sons of the Confederacy, but I have no doubt this is just a cover for a racist group and not history buffs per se. So I don't join and I don't attend though I love reading Civil War history. No "good people" with a brain would ever find themselves marching in torchlight parades like Friday's and no one with a brain would think there were any good people there either.
I'm not going to disagree with you if that is the case. I heard enough of the sickening chants by the torch bearers and you are right no good person would be associated with that. Is that what Trump was speaking about though or was it more general that on the issue of the confederate statues/memorials and their staying or being taken down there are good people on both sides of this issue. I would agree with that.
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some of those torchlight rally chants at the beginning
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He said there was blame on both sides.Gotta love the posters in this board. Trump could say the sun rises in the west and sets in the east and they'd say well Obamacare is ruining the middle class. SMH
There was.
And is.
WSS
He said there was blame on both sides.
There was.
And is.
WSS
No Antifa didn't bring clubs, they were club-like pinatas filled with love that pours out when it slams against the human head. Not the same thing.
Can't we just line both sides up and run them all over equally and without prejudice this time. We can get a circus bear to drive the car so there are no winners.
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