***Official Browns @ Buccaneers Preseason Game Night Thread***

D Bone

Garrett silent?

TopDawg31

@d-bone said:

Garrett silent?

Invisible, not showing anything to warrant a #1 overall pick

TopDawg31

@roc585 said:

Few questions as the game was not available in my area... Just going off of stats, why the big praise for kizer? 6-18 and a pick. And Garret had no tackles or assists? Just curious as stats don't always tell the tale. Thanks in advance.

3rd down conversions were incredible.

gumby73

@topdawg31 said:

Invisible, not showing anything to warrant a #1 overall pick

4 of the 5 sacks came from DE position..lets see what the tape shows. Myles was Kruger close forcing ball out on 2 plays that i saw. 1 Jamius just threw away

medicineman

I am hoping he didn't want to go all out for a pre season game . I want to believe he is a beast

Mr. Make-Believe

@roc585 said:

Few questions as the game was not available in my area... Just going off of stats, why the big praise for kizer? 6-18 and a pick. And Garret had no tackles or assists? Just curious as stats don't always tell the tale. Thanks in advance.

If his receivers could catch a god damn ball, his numbers would have looked a lot better. (I counted) three really good throws that bounced off of hands - one of which would have been a touchdown.

Converted on a few third downs, which was nice.

Still a lot to work on. Got into third down situation it seemed constantly, not making enough yards on first and second. A couple of big overthrows and could have been picked off twice more than he did. And I think he was afraid (or told not) to run, as his legs were a non-factor.

It really is all there for Kizer, though. He was more decisive and his timing was far better than he showed in the first two games. My criticisms when I first saw him take the field aren't the same as the ones tonight... He just keeps getting cleaner and cleaner. It's going to be exciting to watch his progress this season.

PoeticG

Imagine what my boy Hogan could do if Hue would let him run with the ones for once?

Hogan is the best QB on the Browns.

wargograw

Garrett highest graded player in the game...

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-refocused-cleveland-browns-13-tampa-bay-buccaneers-9

Ibleedbrown

https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2017/8/26/16209856/browns-buccaneers-final-score-kizer-looks-in-command-in-clevelands-13-9-victory

In case you couldn't watch the game like me. A recap with highlights.

Ibleedbrown

@wargograw said:

Garrett highest graded player in the game...

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-refocused-cleveland-browns-13-tampa-bay-buccaneers-9

I don't claim to understand how this whole grading system works, but interesting that both Browns safeties, considered a position of weakness, received the 3rd and 4th highest grades of any Browns.

JAFBF

@roc585 said:

Few questions as the game was not available in my area... Just going off of stats, why the big praise for kizer? 6-18 and a pick. And Garret had no tackles or assists? Just curious as stats don't always tell the tale. Thanks in advance.

The INT was on tipped ball . . . still seeing dropped passes by WR's as well.

Kid is showing Pocket presence and stays calm, just needs to speed up his clock a bit and maybe backoff on always looking for the long ball.

Looking good for a Rookie though.

JAFBF

Game Highlights :

Kizer Highlights :

TexasAg1969

Not surprised at how well Cooper graded out even if it was against the 2s.

I think our overall defense is playing so much better than any of us thought they could play before the season opener.

Not bad at all for a team full of rookies and 2nd year players.

TopDawg31

@wargograw said:

Garrett highest graded player in the game...

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-refocused-cleveland-browns-13-tampa-bay-buccaneers-9

not good enough, I'm expecting Gastinau, Strahan type numbers from a #1 overall pick that was touted as the best player in the draft, just not seeing it.

Tour2ma

Won't get to watch the entire game until Monday, but courtesy of Live, Look-ins on NFL Network got to see 3 or 4 drives by each team... plus highlights.

Biggest takeaway is that Kizer's not ready, but he looks like our best option. Other than one play where he was programed to look right before coming back to left, he stared down every target he had. I think he set a staring record on the throw to Coleman after bailing left out of the pocket... and then he made the throw... a great throw. That's going to be much of the season in a nutshell... poor QB play that produces some great throws.

Of course there will also be much of the "other" results as well... the two of the three things that happen after a pass is thrown that are bad.

It'll be interesting to chart his growth... at least I hope it will be.

@wargograw said:

Garrett highest graded player in the game... https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-refocused-cleveland-browns-13-tampa-bay-buccaneers-9

How can that be?

In the Bucs series that I saw, Jameis was getting rid of the ball quickly before even a free rush would have gotten to him. That's the kind of play-calling concession of which we haven't been the beneficiary in a long, long while.

@ibleedbrown said:

I don't claim to understand how this whole grading system works, but interesting that both Browns safeties, considered a position of weakness, received the 3rd and 4th highest grades of any Browns.

Basically you iso each player for each play of a given game, objectively evaluate each play and then do the math.

Mudfly

@topdawg31 said:

not good enough, I'm expecting Gastinau, Strahan type numbers from a #1 overall pick that was touted as the best player in the draft, just not seeing it.

Well, then he's off to a good start.....Strahan had 3 tackles and 1 sack in his first whole season.....I think Garrett will have that after a game....maybe 2.....(in fact, Strahan had 18 sacks over his first 4 years.....I say Garrett exceeds that in 2 or less)

Gastineau?.....hahahaha......Garrett will be twice the player he ever was.....no sweat....book it!

hoorta

@kvoethe said:

I cant remember the last 3-0 preaseason start. I know 31 yrs ago was the last 4-0 preseason start.

Kudos the new staff. Nice to see the no quit mentality. Although those guys are trying to make the team they play all 4 quarters hard.

Just remember, preseason record means nothing. Lions went 4-0 preseason, and 0-16 when it counted. Pat's went 0-4, and won the Super Bowl. That said, the Browns do look much improved.

gumby73

@jafbf said:

Game Highlights :

Kizer Highlights :

thanks JAFBF...Game Highlights, Cory Coleman looked like a first round pick again..Kizer Highlights--I just can't get past the similarities in the pocket of another #7 that just don't play a lot...Brent Hundley.. a 5th rounder 6'3" 226 now 24..Kizer a 2nd rounder 6'4" 233 age 21..even the release is freakish similar..Sure no A. Rogers around here to stand in the way..

D Bone

@gumby73 said:

I just can't get past the similarities in the pocket of another #7 that just don't play a lot...Brent Hundley

Very good comparison mechanics wise.

TopDawg31

@mudfly said:

Well, then he's off to a good start.....Strahan had 3 tackles and 1 sack in his first whole season.....I think Garrett will have that after a game....maybe 2.....(in fact, Strahan had 18 sacks over his first 4 years.....I say Garrett exceeds that in 2 or less)

Gastineau?.....hahahaha......Garrett will be twice the player he ever was.....no sweat....book it!

I hope so, if ever I wished I was wrong now is the time, The #30 pick in the draft, that went to the fucking steelers has 5 tackles, 2 sacks, 5 assists and 3 tackles for loss, Myles 2 tackles 1 sack. Please let me be wrong.