***Official Browns @ Buccaneers Preseason Game Night Thread***
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I am hoping he didn't want to go all out for a pre season game . I want to believe he is a beast
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Few questions as the game was not available in my area... Just going off of stats, why the big praise for kizer? 6-18 and a pick. And Garret had no tackles or assists? Just curious as stats don't always tell the tale. Thanks in advance.
Few questions as the game was not available in my area... Just going off of stats, why the big praise for kizer? 6-18 and a pick. And Garret had no tackles or assists? Just curious as stats don't always tell the tale. Thanks in advance.
If his receivers could catch a god damn ball, his numbers would have looked a lot better. (I counted) three really good throws that bounced off of hands - one of which would have been a touchdown.
Converted on a few third downs, which was nice.
Still a lot to work on. Got into third down situation it seemed constantly, not making enough yards on first and second. A couple of big overthrows and could have been picked off twice more than he did. And I think he was afraid (or told not) to run, as his legs were a non-factor.
It really is all there for Kizer, though. He was more decisive and his timing was far better than he showed in the first two games. My criticisms when I first saw him take the field aren't the same as the ones tonight... He just keeps getting cleaner and cleaner. It's going to be exciting to watch his progress this season.
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Garrett highest graded player in the game...
https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-refocused-cleveland-browns-13-tampa-bay-buccaneers-9
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In case you couldn't watch the game like me. A recap with highlights.
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Garrett highest graded player in the game...
https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-refocused-cleveland-browns-13-tampa-bay-buccaneers-9
Garrett highest graded player in the game...
https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-refocused-cleveland-browns-13-tampa-bay-buccaneers-9
I don't claim to understand how this whole grading system works, but interesting that both Browns safeties, considered a position of weakness, received the 3rd and 4th highest grades of any Browns.
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Few questions as the game was not available in my area... Just going off of stats, why the big praise for kizer? 6-18 and a pick. And Garret had no tackles or assists? Just curious as stats don't always tell the tale. Thanks in advance.
Few questions as the game was not available in my area... Just going off of stats, why the big praise for kizer? 6-18 and a pick. And Garret had no tackles or assists? Just curious as stats don't always tell the tale. Thanks in advance.
The INT was on tipped ball . . . still seeing dropped passes by WR's as well.
Kid is showing Pocket presence and stays calm, just needs to speed up his clock a bit and maybe backoff on always looking for the long ball.
Looking good for a Rookie though.
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Not surprised at how well Cooper graded out even if it was against the 2s.
I think our overall defense is playing so much better than any of us thought they could play before the season opener.
Not bad at all for a team full of rookies and 2nd year players.
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Garrett highest graded player in the game...
https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-refocused-cleveland-browns-13-tampa-bay-buccaneers-9
Garrett highest graded player in the game...
https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-refocused-cleveland-browns-13-tampa-bay-buccaneers-9
not good enough, I'm expecting Gastinau, Strahan type numbers from a #1 overall pick that was touted as the best player in the draft, just not seeing it.
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Garrett highest graded player in the game...
https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-refocused-cleveland-browns-13-tampa-bay-buccaneers-9
Won't get to watch the entire game until Monday, but courtesy of Live, Look-ins on NFL Network got to see 3 or 4 drives by each team... plus highlights.
Biggest takeaway is that Kizer's not ready, but he looks like our best option. Other than one play where he was programed to look right before coming back to left, he stared down every target he had. I think he set a staring record on the throw to Coleman after bailing left out of the pocket... and then he made the throw... a great throw. That's going to be much of the season in a nutshell... poor QB play that produces some great throws.
Of course there will also be much of the "other" results as well... the two of the three things that happen after a pass is thrown that are bad.
It'll be interesting to chart his growth... at least I hope it will be.
Garrett highest graded player in the game... https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-refocused-cleveland-browns-13-tampa-bay-buccaneers-9
How can that be?
In the Bucs series that I saw, Jameis was getting rid of the ball quickly before even a free rush would have gotten to him. That's the kind of play-calling concession of which we haven't been the beneficiary in a long, long while.
I don't claim to understand how this whole grading system works, but interesting that both Browns safeties, considered a position of weakness, received the 3rd and 4th highest grades of any Browns.
Basically you iso each player for each play of a given game, objectively evaluate each play and then do the math.
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Garrett highest graded player in the game...
https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-refocused-cleveland-browns-13-tampa-bay-buccaneers-9
not good enough, I'm expecting Gastinau, Strahan type numbers from a #1 overall pick that was touted as the best player in the draft, just not seeing it.
not good enough, I'm expecting Gastinau, Strahan type numbers from a #1 overall pick that was touted as the best player in the draft, just not seeing it.
Well, then he's off to a good start.....Strahan had 3 tackles and 1 sack in his first whole season.....I think Garrett will have that after a game....maybe 2.....(in fact, Strahan had 18 sacks over his first 4 years.....I say Garrett exceeds that in 2 or less)
Gastineau?.....hahahaha......Garrett will be twice the player he ever was.....no sweat....book it!
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I cant remember the last 3-0 preaseason start. I know 31 yrs ago was the last 4-0 preseason start.
Kudos the new staff. Nice to see the no quit mentality. Although those guys are trying to make the team they play all 4 quarters hard.
I cant remember the last 3-0 preaseason start. I know 31 yrs ago was the last 4-0 preseason start.
Kudos the new staff. Nice to see the no quit mentality. Although those guys are trying to make the team they play all 4 quarters hard.
Just remember, preseason record means nothing. Lions went 4-0 preseason, and 0-16 when it counted. Pat's went 0-4, and won the Super Bowl. That said, the Browns do look much improved.
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Game Highlights :
Kizer Highlights :
thanks JAFBF...Game Highlights, Cory Coleman looked like a first round pick again..Kizer Highlights--I just can't get past the similarities in the pocket of another #7 that just don't play a lot...Brent Hundley.. a 5th rounder 6'3" 226 now 24..Kizer a 2nd rounder 6'4" 233 age 21..even the release is freakish similar..Sure no A. Rogers around here to stand in the way..
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Game Highlights :
Kizer Highlights :
thanks JAFBF...Game Highlights, Cory Coleman looked like a first round pick again..Kizer Highlights--I just can't get past the similarities in the pocket of another #7 that just don't play a lot...Brent Hundley.. a 5th rounder 6'3" 226 now 24..Kizer a 2nd rounder 6'4" 233 age 21..even the release is freakish similar..Sure no A. Rogers around here to stand in the way..
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not good enough, I'm expecting Gastinau, Strahan type numbers from a #1 overall pick that was touted as the best player in the draft, just not seeing it.
Well, then he's off to a good start.....Strahan had 3 tackles and 1 sack in his first whole season.....I think Garrett will have that after a game....maybe 2.....(in fact, Strahan had 18 sacks over his first 4 years.....I say Garrett exceeds that in 2 or less)
Gastineau?.....hahahaha......Garrett will be twice the player he ever was.....no sweat....book it!
Well, then he's off to a good start.....Strahan had 3 tackles and 1 sack in his first whole season.....I think Garrett will have that after a game....maybe 2.....(in fact, Strahan had 18 sacks over his first 4 years.....I say Garrett exceeds that in 2 or less)
Gastineau?.....hahahaha......Garrett will be twice the player he ever was.....no sweat....book it!
I hope so, if ever I wished I was wrong now is the time, The #30 pick in the draft, that went to the fucking steelers has 5 tackles, 2 sacks, 5 assists and 3 tackles for loss, Myles 2 tackles 1 sack. Please let me be wrong.
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Well, then he's off to a good start.....Strahan had 3 tackles and 1 sack in his first whole season.....I think Garrett will have that after a game....maybe 2.....(in fact, Strahan had 18 sacks over his first 4 years.....I say Garrett exceeds that in 2 or less)
Gastineau?.....hahahaha......Garrett will be twice the player he ever was.....no sweat....book it!
I hope so, if ever I wished I was wrong now is the time, The #30 pick in the draft, that went to the fucking steelers has 5 tackles, 2 sacks, 5 assists and 3 tackles for loss, Myles 2 tackles 1 sack. Please let me be wrong.
I hope so, if ever I wished I was wrong now is the time, The #30 pick in the draft, that went to the fucking steelers has 5 tackles, 2 sacks, 5 assists and 3 tackles for loss, Myles 2 tackles 1 sack. Please let me be wrong.
I think that is over simplifying things.....have they played the same # of snaps?.....is the steelers guy getting doubled on every play?....are other teams going at him, instead of away from him?.....etc etc etc....
Our D-Line is playing GREAT right now.....and the one change(outside of Williams) has been Garrett.....
I see LB's shooting gaps and getting sacks. Where are those gaps coming from, all of a sudden?.....could it be that he is tying up OL and creating opportunities that wouldnt be there otherwise?......I think so.....
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Well, then he's off to a good start.....Strahan had 3 tackles and 1 sack in his first whole season.....I think Garrett will have that after a game....maybe 2.....(in fact, Strahan had 18 sacks over his first 4 years.....I say Garrett exceeds that in 2 or less)
Gastineau?.....hahahaha......Garrett will be twice the player he ever was.....no sweat....book it!
I hope so, if ever I wished I was wrong now is the time, The #30 pick in the draft, that went to the fucking steelers has 5 tackles, 2 sacks, 5 assists and 3 tackles for loss, Myles 2 tackles 1 sack. Please let me be wrong.
I hope so, if ever I wished I was wrong now is the time, The #30 pick in the draft, that went to the fucking steelers has 5 tackles, 2 sacks, 5 assists and 3 tackles for loss, Myles 2 tackles 1 sack. Please let me be wrong.
I'm pretty sure we made it very clear that this is a TEAM defense and that his role in the team is to create bad matchups because he draws so much attention. This team is forcing the QBs in into quick decisions while collapsing the pocket. He's doing what he was brought in to do, provide pressure every play along with his teammates. (I just saw Mud's reply too so I concur).
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Bottom line.....we've given up one touch down over 3 games....we have 12 sacks......and are stuffing the run.......all of which are unheard of in Browns country......and our DB's aren't very good...
So, as we all hoped, the DL is creating a LOT of pressure and forcing teams to react to that.....which is helping the whole team....
The difference is like a big board hitting you in the face.....do you not see it?.....
And, if you were to ask the coaches, I Garrett Tee you they would say Myles is the best we have....and is a making an impact.....stats be damned....
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Bottom line.....we've given up one touch down over 3 games....we have 12 sacks......and are stuffing the run.......all of which are unheard of in Browns country......and our DB's aren't very good...
So, as we all hoped, the DL is creating a LOT of pressure and forcing teams to react to that.....which is helping the whole team....
The difference is like a big board hitting you in the face.....do you not see it?.....
And, if you were to ask the coaches, I Garrett Tee you they would say Myles is the best we have....and is a making an impact.....stats be damned....
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