Report: Browns Begin Searching For New Football Executive

hoorta

@tour2ma said:

One more thing...

If I am wrong and we revert to a traditional, football guru at the top FO...

... then I am outta here...

Tour, Hue I'm not sure about- the post game ranting was just more frustration. We haven't drafted that poorly. Garrett, Peppers, Njoku all ok in my book. You know how I feel about Kizer. But after Hogan stunk the place up, we're going to see Deshone sooner than later. I'll shoot you a PM later tonight when I get home.

hoorta

@tour2ma said:

One more thing...

If I am wrong and we revert to a traditional, football guru at the top FO...

... then I am outta here...

Aw, come on, we're Browns fans for life, regardless of how bad we suck. And you know the suckage is extreme, when a Texans fan feels so sorry for you they bought me a Heineken. ?

tiamat63

@nickers said:

Theres nothing to stop Jimmy and Peyton from talking behind closed doors...

Should have phrased that better. My meaning being that Peyton is one of the few candidates Haslem can talk to because of that rule.

Tour2ma

@clevfan4life said:

Why?

Here as in done with the Browns.

I believe in what we are doing... I see it's promise. If the plug gets pulled prematurely, I'm done.

Dutch Oven

@the-gipper said:

Peyton would likely bring someone like Bill Polian on with him....to consult or otherwise.

I would hope.

Mike Holmgren had a ton of experience in the NFL, the same winning pedigree as Manning but in a different position, and was mediocre at best as a front office exec.

I'm not saying Manning couldn't be successful, I just wonder if some people love the idea of Manning because he's a big name.

gumby73

Going to hang a curve ball right over the plate or just piling on..October 31st 4 pm is Trade Deadline Day.. the mystery Football Executive comes into play way before the draft..#73

The Gipper

@dutch-oven said:

I would hope.

Mike Holmgren had a ton of experience in the NFL, the same winning pedigree as Manning but in a different position, and was mediocre at best as a front office exec.

I'm not saying Manning couldn't be successful, I just wonder if some people love the idea of Manning because he's a big name.

Yes, certainly that is a big part of it. Another big part of it is: What the effing ell do we have to lose trying this?

The concern that we are not being patient? Or is it pride?

Clevfan4life

@tour2ma said:

Here as in done with the Browns.

I believe in what we are doing... I see it's promise. If the plug gets pulled prematurely, I'm done.

So you beleive in analytics so much that bringing football people in would disgust you so much? Im not 100% against analytics, it has its place but it might be in other sports.

I want former high level players making draft decisions, not a bean counter. You can use analytics deciding on established free agents and what their actual value is vs what they're asking for etc, etc. I just dont see how someone like sashi brown with no eye for what goes on when the pads come on, how his opinion can trump the opinion on...lets say a QB... of a guy like manning

Dutch Oven

I knew that this rebuild was going to be ugly, and I knew that even though Browns fans seemingly were overwhelmingly behind the hiring of Hue, that they'd turn on him in a second when all the losses came. Losses that were inevitable when the majority of your team is rookies and second year guys. I also know that years ago this fanbase was solidly behind using the 3rd overall pick on Troy Smith. It is what it is.

That being said, I don't have a problem with the idea behind this rebuild, or even how it's been done (in general... I don't think all the vets had to be jettisoned considering the massive amount of cap space, but whatever). The problem I'm having now is with the execution of the plan. I have some doubts, to be honest.

I still would like to see this organization intact into next season, but I don't think it is happening. Will it be a wholesale change? That I don't know... but someone/some people IMO are going to pay at the end of this season.

gumby73

@clevfan4life said:

You can use analytics deciding on established free agents and what their actual value is vs what they're asking for etc, etc. I just dont see how someone like sashi brown with no eye for what goes on when the pads come on, how his opinion can trump the opinion on

And the answer is Kenny Britt & Tretter?

Clevfan4life

@gumby73 said:

And the answer is Kenny Britt & Tretter?

<sigh>. Evidently

Canton Dawg

Jimmy Donovan just reported that Peyton Manning was in Cleveland last week.

CaineDeSoulis

@tour2ma said:

Here as in done with the Browns.

I believe in what we are doing... I see it's promise. If the plug gets pulled prematurely, I'm done.

Completely Agree Tour. I really enjoy the philosophy and method this FO is using but its really in its infancy in our organization. My issues have been with coaching and scheme some personal preference and some obvious misuse. I just cant get my head around the fact we grabbed so many athletic in space playmakers and run a scheme thats predicated on low percentage plays better suited to veteran players. A good example is the vertical passing game is greatly enhanced when a wily vet can get the PI calls. Britt for example Excelled GREATLY in Crossing routes as did Cody Kessler AND Sammie Coates but we rarely run them now... Funnily enough Kessler had the Highest QB Rating in the league on these routes...

Dutch Oven

@canton-dawg said:

Jimmy Donovan just reported that Peyton Manning was in Cleveland last week.

He really likes him some pierogies...

tiamat63

@tour2ma said:

Here as in done with the Browns.

I believe in what we are doing... I see it's promise. If the plug gets pulled prematurely, I'm done.

I agree and disagree. I believe in the draft capital approach to an extent - I don't believe in how we've gone about identifying the talent. I still can't find it in myself to get past a couple of the players we ignored.

This is where i believe Sashi needs his role reduced.

Clevfan4life

@canton-dawg said:

Jimmy Donovan just reported that Peyton Manning was in Cleveland last week.

Was he looking at houses in berea too?

Canton Dawg

No Strongsville, he buying a house next door to Bill Cowher.

Tour2ma

@clevfan4life said:

So you beleive in analytics so much that bringing football people in would disgust you so much? Im not 100% against analytics, it has its place but it might be in other sports.

I want former high level players making draft decisions, not a bean counter. You can use analytics deciding on established free agents and what their actual value is vs what they're asking for etc, etc. I just dont see how someone like sashi brown with no eye for what goes on when the pads come on, how his opinion can trump the opinion on...lets say a QB... of a guy like manning

It's not "analytics vs. old-school". It's the consensus process we have instituted. That is what I love.

We tried your route from '99 thru '015. Give my way another couple years.

@cainedesoulis said:

Completely Agree Tour. I really enjoy the philosophy and method this FO is using but its really in its infancy in our organization. My issues have been with coaching and scheme some personal preference and some obvious misuse. I just cant get my head around the fact we grabbed so many athletic in space playmakers and run a scheme thats predicated on low percentage plays better suited to veteran players. A good example is the vertical passing game is greatly enhanced when a wily vet can get the PI calls. Britt for example Excelled GREATLY in Crossing routes as did Cody Kessler AND Sammie Coates but we rarely run them now... Funnily enough Kessler had the Highest QB Rating in the league on these routes...

"Louis, this may be the beginning of a beautiful friendship."

@tiamat63 said:

I agree and disagree. I believe in the draft capital approach to an extent - I don't believe in how we've gone about identifying the talent. I still can't find it in myself to get past a couple of the players we ignored.

This is where i believe Sashi needs his role reduced.

First, "Sashi's role", and the consensus approach it represents, is precisely what I believe in.

Second, we all can name players we did not pick that we'd have preferred in varying degrees due to hindsight. Most of mine are either darkhorse QBs or OL, but Ibranched out this year and nailed a couple FS's... and of whom would look pretty good in Centerfield this season freeing Peppers to be Peppers. But I also know I'd have missed Njoku and Ogunjobi and Dayes and Schobert and Kindred and...

Tour2ma

@dutch-oven said:

I'm not saying Manning couldn't be successful, I just wonder if some people love the idea of Manning because he's a big name.

Admit it... you really don't wonder about this... c'mon... it's OK... you can admit it.

There is zero evidence Manning has the chops to be a GM.

As for Polian.... why is it he would be available? And this is coming from a guy who listens when Bill speaks.

Dutch Oven

@tour2ma said:

Admit it... you really don't wonder about this... c'mon... it's OK... you can admit it.

There is zero evidence Manning has the chops to be a GM.

As for Polian.... why is it he would be available? And this is coming from a guy who listens when Bill speaks.

Not saying it is impossible, but the list of Hall of Fame players who became even above average head coaches/managers/GMs in football/baseball/basketball isn't a real lengthy one.