Report: Browns Begin Searching For New Football Executive
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Can we actually hire someone with front office experience instead of a sexy name with no coaching or front office experience please?
Peyton would likely bring someone like Bill Polian on with him....to consult or otherwise.
Peyton would likely bring someone like Bill Polian on with him....to consult or otherwise.
I would hope.
Mike Holmgren had a ton of experience in the NFL, the same winning pedigree as Manning but in a different position, and was mediocre at best as a front office exec.
I'm not saying Manning couldn't be successful, I just wonder if some people love the idea of Manning because he's a big name.
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Peyton would likely bring someone like Bill Polian on with him....to consult or otherwise.
I would hope.
Mike Holmgren had a ton of experience in the NFL, the same winning pedigree as Manning but in a different position, and was mediocre at best as a front office exec.
I'm not saying Manning couldn't be successful, I just wonder if some people love the idea of Manning because he's a big name.
I would hope.
Mike Holmgren had a ton of experience in the NFL, the same winning pedigree as Manning but in a different position, and was mediocre at best as a front office exec.
I'm not saying Manning couldn't be successful, I just wonder if some people love the idea of Manning because he's a big name.
Yes, certainly that is a big part of it. Another big part of it is: What the effing ell do we have to lose trying this?
The concern that we are not being patient? Or is it pride?
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Why?
Here as in done with the Browns.
I believe in what we are doing... I see it's promise. If the plug gets pulled prematurely, I'm done.
Here as in done with the Browns.
I believe in what we are doing... I see it's promise. If the plug gets pulled prematurely, I'm done.
So you beleive in analytics so much that bringing football people in would disgust you so much? Im not 100% against analytics, it has its place but it might be in other sports.
I want former high level players making draft decisions, not a bean counter. You can use analytics deciding on established free agents and what their actual value is vs what they're asking for etc, etc. I just dont see how someone like sashi brown with no eye for what goes on when the pads come on, how his opinion can trump the opinion on...lets say a QB... of a guy like manning
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I knew that this rebuild was going to be ugly, and I knew that even though Browns fans seemingly were overwhelmingly behind the hiring of Hue, that they'd turn on him in a second when all the losses came. Losses that were inevitable when the majority of your team is rookies and second year guys. I also know that years ago this fanbase was solidly behind using the 3rd overall pick on Troy Smith. It is what it is.
That being said, I don't have a problem with the idea behind this rebuild, or even how it's been done (in general... I don't think all the vets had to be jettisoned considering the massive amount of cap space, but whatever). The problem I'm having now is with the execution of the plan. I have some doubts, to be honest.
I still would like to see this organization intact into next season, but I don't think it is happening. Will it be a wholesale change? That I don't know... but someone/some people IMO are going to pay at the end of this season.
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Here as in done with the Browns.
I believe in what we are doing... I see it's promise. If the plug gets pulled prematurely, I'm done.
So you beleive in analytics so much that bringing football people in would disgust you so much? Im not 100% against analytics, it has its place but it might be in other sports.
I want former high level players making draft decisions, not a bean counter. You can use analytics deciding on established free agents and what their actual value is vs what they're asking for etc, etc. I just dont see how someone like sashi brown with no eye for what goes on when the pads come on, how his opinion can trump the opinion on...lets say a QB... of a guy like manning
You can use analytics deciding on established free agents and what their actual value is vs what they're asking for etc, etc. I just dont see how someone like sashi brown with no eye for what goes on when the pads come on, how his opinion can trump the opinion on
And the answer is Kenny Britt & Tretter?
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You can use analytics deciding on established free agents and what their actual value is vs what they're asking for etc, etc. I just dont see how someone like sashi brown with no eye for what goes on when the pads come on, how his opinion can trump the opinion on
And the answer is Kenny Britt & Tretter?
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Jimmy Donovan just reported that Peyton Manning was in Cleveland last week.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
Why?
Here as in done with the Browns.
I believe in what we are doing... I see it's promise. If the plug gets pulled prematurely, I'm done.
Here as in done with the Browns.
I believe in what we are doing... I see it's promise. If the plug gets pulled prematurely, I'm done.
Completely Agree Tour. I really enjoy the philosophy and method this FO is using but its really in its infancy in our organization. My issues have been with coaching and scheme some personal preference and some obvious misuse. I just cant get my head around the fact we grabbed so many athletic in space playmakers and run a scheme thats predicated on low percentage plays better suited to veteran players. A good example is the vertical passing game is greatly enhanced when a wily vet can get the PI calls. Britt for example Excelled GREATLY in Crossing routes as did Cody Kessler AND Sammie Coates but we rarely run them now... Funnily enough Kessler had the Highest QB Rating in the league on these routes...
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Jimmy Donovan just reported that Peyton Manning was in Cleveland last week.
Jimmy Donovan just reported that Peyton Manning was in Cleveland last week.
He really likes him some pierogies...
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Why?
Here as in done with the Browns.
I believe in what we are doing... I see it's promise. If the plug gets pulled prematurely, I'm done.
Here as in done with the Browns.
I believe in what we are doing... I see it's promise. If the plug gets pulled prematurely, I'm done.
I agree and disagree. I believe in the draft capital approach to an extent - I don't believe in how we've gone about identifying the talent. I still can't find it in myself to get past a couple of the players we ignored.
This is where i believe Sashi needs his role reduced.
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Jimmy Donovan just reported that Peyton Manning was in Cleveland last week.
Jimmy Donovan just reported that Peyton Manning was in Cleveland last week.
Was he looking at houses in berea too?
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No Strongsville, he buying a house next door to Bill Cowher.
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Here as in done with the Browns.
I believe in what we are doing... I see it's promise. If the plug gets pulled prematurely, I'm done.
So you beleive in analytics so much that bringing football people in would disgust you so much? Im not 100% against analytics, it has its place but it might be in other sports.
I want former high level players making draft decisions, not a bean counter. You can use analytics deciding on established free agents and what their actual value is vs what they're asking for etc, etc. I just dont see how someone like sashi brown with no eye for what goes on when the pads come on, how his opinion can trump the opinion on...lets say a QB... of a guy like manning
So you beleive in analytics so much that bringing football people in would disgust you so much? Im not 100% against analytics, it has its place but it might be in other sports.
I want former high level players making draft decisions, not a bean counter. You can use analytics deciding on established free agents and what their actual value is vs what they're asking for etc, etc. I just dont see how someone like sashi brown with no eye for what goes on when the pads come on, how his opinion can trump the opinion on...lets say a QB... of a guy like manning
It's not "analytics vs. old-school". It's the consensus process we have instituted. That is what I love.
We tried your route from '99 thru '015. Give my way another couple years.
Completely Agree Tour. I really enjoy the philosophy and method this FO is using but its really in its infancy in our organization. My issues have been with coaching and scheme some personal preference and some obvious misuse. I just cant get my head around the fact we grabbed so many athletic in space playmakers and run a scheme thats predicated on low percentage plays better suited to veteran players. A good example is the vertical passing game is greatly enhanced when a wily vet can get the PI calls. Britt for example Excelled GREATLY in Crossing routes as did Cody Kessler AND Sammie Coates but we rarely run them now... Funnily enough Kessler had the Highest QB Rating in the league on these routes...
"Louis, this may be the beginning of a beautiful friendship."
I agree and disagree. I believe in the draft capital approach to an extent - I don't believe in how we've gone about identifying the talent. I still can't find it in myself to get past a couple of the players we ignored.
This is where i believe Sashi needs his role reduced.
First, "Sashi's role", and the consensus approach it represents, is precisely what I believe in.
Second, we all can name players we did not pick that we'd have preferred in varying degrees due to hindsight. Most of mine are either darkhorse QBs or OL, but Ibranched out this year and nailed a couple FS's... and of whom would look pretty good in Centerfield this season freeing Peppers to be Peppers. But I also know I'd have missed Njoku and Ogunjobi and Dayes and Schobert and Kindred and...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Peyton would likely bring someone like Bill Polian on with him....to consult or otherwise.
I would hope.
Mike Holmgren had a ton of experience in the NFL, the same winning pedigree as Manning but in a different position, and was mediocre at best as a front office exec.
I'm not saying Manning couldn't be successful, I just wonder if some people love the idea of Manning because he's a big name.
I'm not saying Manning couldn't be successful, I just wonder if some people love the idea of Manning because he's a big name.
Admit it... you really don't wonder about this... c'mon... it's OK... you can admit it.
There is zero evidence Manning has the chops to be a GM.
As for Polian.... why is it he would be available? And this is coming from a guy who listens when Bill speaks.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I'm not saying Manning couldn't be successful, I just wonder if some people love the idea of Manning because he's a big name.
Admit it... you really don't wonder about this... c'mon... it's OK... you can admit it.
There is zero evidence Manning has the chops to be a GM.
As for Polian.... why is it he would be available? And this is coming from a guy who listens when Bill speaks.
Admit it... you really don't wonder about this... c'mon... it's OK... you can admit it.
There is zero evidence Manning has the chops to be a GM.
As for Polian.... why is it he would be available? And this is coming from a guy who listens when Bill speaks.
Not saying it is impossible, but the list of Hall of Fame players who became even above average head coaches/managers/GMs in football/baseball/basketball isn't a real lengthy one.
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Yes. And no we haven’t. Last year’s team was far worse.
Defensively yes, offensively i cant really tell if we're better or worse yet.
Defensively yes, offensively i cant really tell if we're better or worse yet.
We’re slightly worse there, but on the net, this team is far better.
Because I'm a fan W. Doesn't mean I have to have blinders on. That was major suckage 20+ games into a rebuild? We're the football equivalent of the Cubs loveable losers, deal with it.
I am dealing with it. You’re the one whining and being impatient. Just wait a year. Next year will be fun.
If we change the defense again omg fuk all of u. Srsly if i see myles garrett chasing slot wr's downfield next year im done being a browns fan, which mrans football is over for me. The browns are the only thing i give a fuk about in the nfl. If we bring in some new fgt DC that changes scheme again and takes us back to 31st in all categories, im done.
all of u that would entertain even the thought of swapping dc's again need to just burn ur browns gear and just go riot fir another team. U show how profoundly ignorant u are of how football works. Defenses arent plug in play things that swapping a new scheme in and out makes a light go on. We have players from previous defenses that need rooted out and evicted, thst doesnt change overnight. Swap schemes again and we create a whole new mismatch of characters omg fuk u fuk u fuk u fuk u right in ur mouths.
Get that football insight outta here
I don't agree wit Jimmy, Jimmy is the problem, dare I say Jimmy is the #1 enemy (a Steelers loving crook).
He WAS the problem (with his revolving door), and if he fired the current regime, he will prove that he still is. But as long as he doesn’t, he’s not.
I hate hearing from people on this board talking about players we should have taken. If we had taken Carr, he would've been more beat up than he is now. The fact is we've been trying to get good talent, but we don't give coaches enough time. Our fans want the coaches to go after one or two years. I still think we need to give them at least 3-5 years. Again, no team has a worse record than we do when it comes to firing coaches. How many have we had since '99? I forgot.
You’d think at some point with so many GMs people would say “hey maybe they’re not the problem, maybe it’s something else.” But nope. People actually think it’s just GM’s faults that we’ve missed on so many first rounders.
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Defensively yes, offensively i cant really tell if we're better or worse yet.
We’re slightly worse there, but on the net, this team is far better.
Because I'm a fan W. Doesn't mean I have to have blinders on. That was major suckage 20+ games into a rebuild? We're the football equivalent of the Cubs loveable losers, deal with it.
I am dealing with it. You’re the one whining and being impatient. Just wait a year. Next year will be fun.
If we change the defense again omg fuk all of u. Srsly if i see myles garrett chasing slot wr's downfield next year im done being a browns fan, which mrans football is over for me. The browns are the only thing i give a fuk about in the nfl. If we bring in some new fgt DC that changes scheme again and takes us back to 31st in all categories, im done.
all of u that would entertain even the thought of swapping dc's again need to just burn ur browns gear and just go riot fir another team. U show how profoundly ignorant u are of how football works. Defenses arent plug in play things that swapping a new scheme in and out makes a light go on. We have players from previous defenses that need rooted out and evicted, thst doesnt change overnight. Swap schemes again and we create a whole new mismatch of characters omg fuk u fuk u fuk u fuk u right in ur mouths.
Get that football insight outta here
I don't agree wit Jimmy, Jimmy is the problem, dare I say Jimmy is the #1 enemy (a Steelers loving crook).
He WAS the problem (with his revolving door), and if he fired the current regime, he will prove that he still is. But as long as he doesn’t, he’s not.
I hate hearing from people on this board talking about players we should have taken. If we had taken Carr, he would've been more beat up than he is now. The fact is we've been trying to get good talent, but we don't give coaches enough time. Our fans want the coaches to go after one or two years. I still think we need to give them at least 3-5 years. Again, no team has a worse record than we do when it comes to firing coaches. How many have we had since '99? I forgot.
You’d think at some point with so many GMs people would say “hey maybe they’re not the problem, maybe it’s something else.” But nope. People actually think it’s just GM’s faults that we’ve missed on so many first rounders.
People actually think it’s just GM’s faults that we’ve missed on so many first rounders.
We all know it was the homeless guy’s fault.
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Defensively yes, offensively i cant really tell if we're better or worse yet.
We’re slightly worse there, but on the net, this team is far better.
Because I'm a fan W. Doesn't mean I have to have blinders on. That was major suckage 20+ games into a rebuild? We're the football equivalent of the Cubs loveable losers, deal with it.
I am dealing with it. You’re the one whining and being impatient. Just wait a year. Next year will be fun.
If we change the defense again omg fuk all of u. Srsly if i see myles garrett chasing slot wr's downfield next year im done being a browns fan, which mrans football is over for me. The browns are the only thing i give a fuk about in the nfl. If we bring in some new fgt DC that changes scheme again and takes us back to 31st in all categories, im done.
all of u that would entertain even the thought of swapping dc's again need to just burn ur browns gear and just go riot fir another team. U show how profoundly ignorant u are of how football works. Defenses arent plug in play things that swapping a new scheme in and out makes a light go on. We have players from previous defenses that need rooted out and evicted, thst doesnt change overnight. Swap schemes again and we create a whole new mismatch of characters omg fuk u fuk u fuk u fuk u right in ur mouths.
Get that football insight outta here
I don't agree wit Jimmy, Jimmy is the problem, dare I say Jimmy is the #1 enemy (a Steelers loving crook).
He WAS the problem (with his revolving door), and if he fired the current regime, he will prove that he still is. But as long as he doesn’t, he’s not.
I hate hearing from people on this board talking about players we should have taken. If we had taken Carr, he would've been more beat up than he is now. The fact is we've been trying to get good talent, but we don't give coaches enough time. Our fans want the coaches to go after one or two years. I still think we need to give them at least 3-5 years. Again, no team has a worse record than we do when it comes to firing coaches. How many have we had since '99? I forgot.
You’d think at some point with so many GMs people would say “hey maybe they’re not the problem, maybe it’s something else.” But nope. People actually think it’s just GM’s faults that we’ve missed on so many first rounders.
We’re slightly worse there, but on the net, this team is far better.
When McC left, that the O would decline was a given.
You’d think at some point with so many GMs people would say “hey maybe they’re not the problem, maybe it’s something else.” But nope. People actually think it’s just GM’s faults that we’ve missed on so many first rounders.
Well, when you draft so many busts under "football guy" regimes, it's hard not to blame the Farmers and Holmgrens and the (fill in the blanks).
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Defensively yes, offensively i cant really tell if we're better or worse yet.
We’re slightly worse there, but on the net, this team is far better.
Because I'm a fan W. Doesn't mean I have to have blinders on. That was major suckage 20+ games into a rebuild? We're the football equivalent of the Cubs loveable losers, deal with it.
I am dealing with it. You’re the one whining and being impatient. Just wait a year. Next year will be fun.
If we change the defense again omg fuk all of u. Srsly if i see myles garrett chasing slot wr's downfield next year im done being a browns fan, which mrans football is over for me. The browns are the only thing i give a fuk about in the nfl. If we bring in some new fgt DC that changes scheme again and takes us back to 31st in all categories, im done.
all of u that would entertain even the thought of swapping dc's again need to just burn ur browns gear and just go riot fir another team. U show how profoundly ignorant u are of how football works. Defenses arent plug in play things that swapping a new scheme in and out makes a light go on. We have players from previous defenses that need rooted out and evicted, thst doesnt change overnight. Swap schemes again and we create a whole new mismatch of characters omg fuk u fuk u fuk u fuk u right in ur mouths.
Get that football insight outta here
I don't agree wit Jimmy, Jimmy is the problem, dare I say Jimmy is the #1 enemy (a Steelers loving crook).
He WAS the problem (with his revolving door), and if he fired the current regime, he will prove that he still is. But as long as he doesn’t, he’s not.
I hate hearing from people on this board talking about players we should have taken. If we had taken Carr, he would've been more beat up than he is now. The fact is we've been trying to get good talent, but we don't give coaches enough time. Our fans want the coaches to go after one or two years. I still think we need to give them at least 3-5 years. Again, no team has a worse record than we do when it comes to firing coaches. How many have we had since '99? I forgot.
You’d think at some point with so many GMs people would say “hey maybe they’re not the problem, maybe it’s something else.” But nope. People actually think it’s just GM’s faults that we’ve missed on so many first rounders.
You’d think at some point with so many GMs people would say “hey maybe they’re not the problem, maybe it’s something else.” But nope. People actually think it’s just GM’s faults that we’ve missed on so many first rounders.
We all sit here on pins and needles, so please All Mighty Glorious One, please enlighten us humble, simple knownuthins with your vast football knowledge as to what "the something else" is...
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