So if Jackson is gone...
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This point really means nothing.
Disagree... but there is an underlying issue: Are there 32 great NFL HC's "out there" at any one time?
History, pretty much says, "No."
Outside of Da Bungles, no coach in the history of the NFL is going to get 5 years to turn things around.....
Hold on there, h... there are more than you think. Since the beginning of the common draft the following HCs had 5-year stints in failed turnaround efforts...
- Alex Webster (NYG)
- John Ralston (DNV)
- Vince Tobin (AZ)
- Jim Schwartz (DET)
A couple of the above sniffed "turnaround", but could not sustain it. But there are others, e.g., Jason Garrett, who pulled their a$$es out of the fire in their 5th year.
While we like to think of the Bagels as staying a long time with their HCs, their list doesn't really support that their patience includes abject failures.
# Name Term Regular season Playoffs Awards GC W L T Win% GC W L 1 Paul Brown † 1968–1975 112 55 56 1 .495 3 0 3 UPI NFL Coach of the Year (1969, 1970) 2 Bill Johnson* 1976–1978 33 18 15 0 .545 – – – 3 Homer Rice* 1978–1979 27 8 19 0 .296 – – – 4 Forrest Gregg ‡ 1980–1983 57 32 25 0 .561 4 2 2 UPI NFL Coach of the Year (1981) 5 Sam Wyche 1984–1991 121 61 66 0 .480 5 3 2 6 Dave Shula* 1992–1996 71 19 52 0 .268 – – – 7 Bruce Coslet 1996–2000 60 21 39 0 .350 – – – 8 finger LeBeau ‡ 2000–2002 45 12 33 0 .267 – – – 9 Marvin Lewis* 2003–present 224 118 103 3 .533 7 0 7 AP NFL Coach of the Year (2009) -
Let me clarify what I mean by respect. Hue is a gentleman and no doubt a hard worker. He has made a career in a field that few can survive in. He even has my respect in that regard. I am referring more to the many players who are dropping footballs, missing tackles, making penalties, etc. I believe that is a sign of disrespect. I just don't think that the majority of players revere this guy.
I am not sure how you make the leap from players failing to execute to a lack of respect for the coach. I mean, I do think the team lacks discipline, certainly. and that is coaching. Are you saying that a lack of discipline equals a lack of respect for the coach? I mean, maybe, in a weird way.....but it is a long twisted leap.
I am not sure how you make the leap from players failing to execute to a lack of respect for the coach. I mean, I do think the team lacks discipline, certainly. and that is coaching. Are you saying that a lack of discipline equals a lack of respect for the coach? I mean, maybe, in a weird way.....but it is a long twisted leap.
NO, it isn't twisted at all man. Soldiers kill for their generals. This is a staple of team performance. You don't let your team, you fans your coach down. It is absolutely a lack of respect.
The Cleveland Browns have the hardest hit players in the NFL -
Who would ever expect a team full of rookies and second year players to make a ton of mental mistakes?
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Who would ever expect a team full of rookies and second year players to make a ton of mental mistakes?
Who would ever expect a team full of rookies and second year players to make a ton of mental mistakes?
Not acceptable, not an applicable apology. Your insinuation is total nonsense.
- What is different about catching a football in the NFL versus college, HS and peepee football?
- What is different about not jumping offside in the NFL versus college, HS and peepee football?
- What is different about not holding in the NFL versus college, HS and peepee football?
- What is different about pass interference or a DB turning to look for the ball in the NFL versus college, HS and peepee football?
On an on it goes. I am not talking about Kizer misreading coverage type mistakes. Those are not the problems. This team is so weak fundamentally that it is shameful. Any NFL coach worth his keep would have ironed out 90% of this BS in his first preseason. These guys are not suddenly going to become disciplined in year three.
Some people believe that practice makes perfect, but it doesn't, PERFECT practice makes perfect. Conversely, when one continually repeats bad behavior, the mind and the body assimilate that behavior and it becomes part of the person's psyche. This business of poo-pooing a lack of discipline under the guise of inexperience is no good. young players or not, they lack discipline, and being young has nothing to do with it.
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Let's say the Cleveland Browns decide to can Hue Jackson. As I recall the last couple of times people here were yip yip tipping that no coach of worth would ever want to come to Cleveland.
Then the Cleveland Browns landed the consensus most sought-after coach in the league.
So if he gets the boot what do you suppose the reason would be that other coaches wouldn't want to come here? The lack of commitment beyond two years? The mishandling of player acquisition and dismissal? Lack of input?
WSS
Then the Cleveland Browns landed the consensus most sought-after coach in the league.
To me, at least, I was surprised that Jackson signed so quickly.
Maybe it was because his family did not have to move. However, why would the 'consensus most sought-after coach in the league' sign with the Browns without - even - interviewing with another team. Maybe his most-sought-after-status was a figment of the fan's imagination.
He played hard ball in getting rid of Johnny Football. Probably a good thing. However, he seems to play 'Mr. Softie' with everybody else.
He is considered - at least by some - to be a developer of QBs. Maybe he got lucky in Cincy. Besides Dalton (I will give him the benefit of the doubt), who has Jackson 'developed'?
Personally, I don't see how he gets another year.
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IMO, Hue is gone within hours of the final game, but the front office stays and will be around for the next draft
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Keep Hue Jackson until it's clear his skill set is what is holding the team back.
There is a reason that the 2 coaches Haslam has hired are Pettine & Jackson.
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Keep Hue Jackson until it's clear his skill set is what is holding the team back.
There is a reason that the 2 coaches Haslam has hired are Pettine & Jackson.
Keep Hue Jackson until it's clear his skill set is what is holding the team back.
There is a reason that the 2 coaches Haslam has hired are Pettine & Jackson.
I see a choker under pressure. Sorry that's what it looks like.
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Hue is toast. I suspect Sashi to be given the title of full President and Sashi old job will be merged with Berry to create the Vice President/GM job. Then Sashi/GM will hire new head coach without Haslam playing a big role in it.
The HC will be weakened considerably in future decision making.
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Hue is toast. I suspect Sashi to be given the title of full President and Sashi old job will be merged with Berry to create the Vice President/GM job. Then Sashi/GM will hire new head coach without Haslam playing a big role in it.
The HC will be weakened considerably in future decision making.
Hue is toast. I suspect Sashi to be given the title of full President and Sashi old job will be merged with Berry to create the Vice President/GM job. Then Sashi/GM will hire new head coach without Haslam playing a big role in it.
The HC will be weakened considerably in future decision making.
I think you're full of s h i t.
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Keep Hue Jackson until it's clear his skill set is what is holding the team back.
There is a reason that the 2 coaches Haslam has hired are Pettine & Jackson.
I see a choker under pressure. Sorry that's what it looks like.
I see a choker under pressure. Sorry that's what it looks like.
What is Jackson's record in Cleveland?
What pressure? What choke?
One could argue that Marty Schottenheimer was a 'choker under pressure' but he coached BIG games. Jackson hasn't been in a big game since???????????????????????
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I see a choker under pressure. Sorry that's what it looks like.
What is Jackson's record in Cleveland?
What pressure? What choke?
One could argue that Marty Schottenheimer was a 'choker under pressure' but he coached BIG games. Jackson hasn't been in a big game since???????????????????????
What is Jackson's record in Cleveland?
What pressure? What choke?
One could argue that Marty Schottenheimer was a 'choker under pressure' but he was in BIG games. Jackson hasn't been in a big game since???????????????????????
The pressure to win now. He's caving.
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give hue a 3rd year marching tune from you assholes who couldn't wait to get of mangini or pettine after their 2nd.
hyp-o-friggin-criti-fuggin-cal 2 faced douchebags.
you deserve this bag of lit dog Sheet on your porch....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
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Then the Cleveland Browns landed the consensus most sought-after coach in the league.
To me, at least, I was surprised that Jackson signed so quickly.
Maybe it was because his family did not have to move. However, why would the 'consensus most sought-after coach in the league' sign with the Browns without - even - interviewing with another team. Maybe his most-sought-after-status was a figment of the fan's imagination.
He played hard ball in getting rid of Johnny Football. Probably a good thing. However, he seems to play 'Mr. Softie' with everybody else.
He is considered - at least by some - to be a developer of QBs. Maybe he got lucky in Cincy. Besides Dalton (I will give him the benefit of the doubt), who has Jackson 'developed'?
Personally, I don't see how he gets another year.
He is considered - at least by some - to be a developer of QBs. Maybe he got lucky in Cincy. Besides Dalton (I will give him the benefit of the doubt), who has Jackson 'developed'?
In order?
- 1995 ASU Jake Plummer
- 1996 Cal Pat Barnes
- 1997 USC John Fox
- 2000 USC Carson Palmer/Matt Cassel
- 2008/09 BLT's Flacco
- 2014/15 CIN's Dalton
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
He is considered - at least by some - to be a developer of QBs. Maybe he got lucky in Cincy. Besides Dalton (I will give him the benefit of the doubt), who has Jackson 'developed'?
In order?
- 1995 ASU Jake Plummer
- 1996 Cal Pat Barnes
- 1997 USC John Fox
- 2000 USC Carson Palmer/Matt Cassel
- 2008/09 BLT's Flacco
- 2014/15 CIN's Dalton
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give hue a 3rd year marching tune from you assholes who couldn't wait to get of mangini or pettine after their 2nd.
hyp-o-friggin-criti-fuggin-cal 2 faced douchebags.
you deserve this bag of lit dog Sheet on your porch....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
give hue a 3rd year marching tune from you assholes who couldn't wait to get of mangini or pettine after their 2nd.
hyp-o-friggin-criti-fuggin-cal 2 faced douchebags.
you deserve this bag of lit dog Sheet on your porch....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
Dude he's black.
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give hue a 3rd year marching tune from you assholes who couldn't wait to get of mangini or pettine after their 2nd.
hyp-o-friggin-criti-fuggin-cal 2 faced douchebags.
you deserve this bag of lit dog Sheet on your porch....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
Dude he's black.
Dude he's black.
Ok, I gotcha now. Diff strokes for diff folks.
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It's getting harder and harder not to board the Fire Hue Train. What respected head coach declines a personal foul that would have pushed them out of FG range, then his great undertudies proceed to jump offsides on 4th and 1, all aboard! Last trains about to leave the station.
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