So if Jackson is gone...
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? Dairy Queen? That's Hue's attitude BTW. Another loss? We're taking all the guys out to DQ. Ghoolie is speaking bluntly about Hue. I agree with his assessment of Hue's shortcomings, whether that enough to get him canned in Haslam's eyes is another story. Stay tuned.
One of the things I strongly disagree with is that no coach would want to come here. I believe just the opposite.
First of all, if we do get a new coach, who the hell wants a sissy who is afraid because of all the previous firings? Seriously, great coaches generally have egos and they like conquering tough challenges.
Secondly, Cleveland is one of the most desirable HC jobs imaginable. The opportunity to restore the greatest franchise to its rightful position? A chance to capture the hearts of millions by ending the losing? A chance to be enveloped by a fan base whose loyalty defies all obstacles? A chance to coach where PB, JB, Kelly, Otto, Alvelli, etc played? Come on man, you have to be nuts to think that nobody would want to coach here.
Finally, here is where I bump heads with you guys a lot when it comes to choosing a coach. People ask me, "Ohay Ghoolie, who would YOU hire?" Honestly man, I don't know. But here is the deal, if it were my team, I wouldn't be after the big resume'. We like to drop big names, like Gruden.....we tend to think of the next guy coming from the batch of popular candidates. But hell, the big resume hasn't exactly worked for us, has it? For sure the big FO guys like Sewage and Holmgren.
If it is my team, I am hiring a guy who is way, way, way off the grid. I would give a crap how much NFL experience the guy had. A resume is a door opener, it isn't a tool with which one should hire someone. Values, ethics, morals, beliefs, drive, passion, hate , venom, respect for Browns history............... those are the things that shoudl be focused on. Those are the things that have been ignored. Find another Cowher. Find a guy who everyone says WTF? Find a guy like Lyndon Johnson, who is driven to show the world. There is a guy just aching for a chance. I promise you, the Gruden's of this world are the last place to look.
Think about it. Who better than to lead the Cleveland Underdawgs than an underdawg?
If it is my team, I am hiring a guy who is way, way, way off the grid. I would give a crap how much NFL experience the guy had. A resume is a door opener, it isn't a tool with which one should hire someone. Values, ethics, morals, beliefs, drive, passion, hate , venom, respect for Browns history............... those are the things that shoudl be focused on. Those are the things that have been ignored. Find another Cowher. Find a guy who everyone says WTF? Find a guy like Lyndon Johnson, who is driven to show the world. There is a guy just aching for a chance. I promise you, the Gruden's of this world are the last place to look.
Think about it. Who better than to lead the Cleveland Underdawgs than an underdawg?
Hue is in over his head as both head coach and OC, hire one or the other to help this team. Bernie Kosar knows offense, he loves Cleveland, and he isn't afraid to call players out who are shitting the bed. I would keep Hue as head coach and hire Bernie as OC, get some passion in the locker room and help coach up these young QBs since our "QB guru" has no clue what he's doing or which QB he should be "guruing".
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I am not sure how you make the leap from players failing to execute to a lack of respect for the coach. I mean, I do think the team lacks discipline, certainly. and that is coaching. Are you saying that a lack of discipline equals a lack of respect for the coach? I mean, maybe, in a weird way.....but it is a long twisted leap.
NO, it isn't twisted at all man. Soldiers kill for their generals. This is a staple of team performance. You don't let your team, you fans your coach down. It is absolutely a lack of respect.
NO, it isn't twisted at all man. Soldiers kill for their generals. This is a staple of team performance. You don't let your team, you fans your coach down. It is absolutely a lack of respect.
Well.....whether or not the players lack respect for Hue Jackson, after yesterday, is it fair to say that whatever respect the fan base had for him may have gone right out the window.
Hue needs to decide if he wants to be a Head Coach or an OC....as right now he sucks balls at being both (not that he would be any good at either one if limited to just that).
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Hue is toast. I suspect Sashi to be given the title of full President and Sashi old job will be merged with Berry to create the Vice President/GM job. Then Sashi/GM will hire new head coach without Haslam playing a big role in it.
The HC will be weakened considerably in future decision making.
Hue is toast. I suspect Sashi to be given the title of full President and Sashi old job will be merged with Berry to create the Vice President/GM job. Then Sashi/GM will hire new head coach without Haslam playing a big role in it.
The HC will be weakened considerably in future decision making.
I think both of them may be on thin ice. I do NOT see any promotion for these guys. I see a demotion. Haslam brings in Peyton Manning to be DFO....and subordinates Sachi and Berry to him. Manning brings in another veteran football mind (Polian or Polian type)...to be a consultant on the draft.
I am ready for that I think.
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is everyone basing this peyton manning thing on his tennessee connection with haslam?
if you were manning would you want anything to do with this Sheet franchise to tarnish your 'mr. sparkling white as a bleached out towel you smack others in the butt with in the locker room' image?
puuuleeeeez.
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is everyone basing this peyton manning thing on his tennessee connection with haslam?
if you were manning would you want anything to do with this Sheet franchise to tarnish your 'mr. sparkling white as a bleached out towel you smack others in the butt with in the locker room' image?
puuuleeeeez.
is everyone basing this peyton manning thing on his tennessee connection with haslam?
if you were manning would you want anything to do with this Sheet franchise to tarnish your 'mr. sparkling white as a bleached out towel you smack others in the butt with in the locker room' image?
puuuleeeeez.
It may be the exact kind of challenge that Manning would want, yes.
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is everyone basing this peyton manning thing on his tennessee connection with haslam?
if you were manning would you want anything to do with this Sheet franchise to tarnish your 'mr. sparkling white as a bleached out towel you smack others in the butt with in the locker room' image?
puuuleeeeez.
It may be the exact kind of challenge that Manning would want, yes.
It may be the exact kind of challenge that Manning would want, yes.
i get that. better men have tried and failed. i'm sure they wish the new era browns were not on their life resume and could get those years back.
plus, what are his qualifications? selling pizza?
let him stick to what he's good at.....being a d.i.c.k.
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It may be the exact kind of challenge that Manning would want, yes.
i get that. better men have tried and failed. i'm sure they wish the new era browns were not on their life resume and could get those years back.
plus, what are his qualifications? selling pizza?
let him stick to what he's good at.....being a d.i.c.k.
i get that. better men have tried and failed. i'm sure they wish the new era browns were not on their life resume and could get those years back.
plus, what are his qualifications? selling pizza?
let him stick to what he's good at.....being a finger.
OK, but lets assume that Haslam does want to bring in an overseer to be DFO......and that it won't be Peyton......who could/should it be.
Because I am ready for it to happen.
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i get that. better men have tried and failed. i'm sure they wish the new era browns were not on their life resume and could get those years back.
plus, what are his qualifications? selling pizza?
let him stick to what he's good at.....being a finger.
OK, but lets assume that Haslam does want to bring in an overseer to be DFO......and that it won't be Peyton......who could/should it be.
Because I am ready for it to happen.
OK, but lets assume that Haslam does want to bring in an overseer to be DFO......and that it won't be Peyton......who could/should it be.
Because I am ready for it to happen.
do not know. sort of like the holmgren experiment if you ask me.
haslam just needs to hire better or bring in some local billionaire (cough lebron cough) who might be able to judge talent.
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OK, but lets assume that Haslam does want to bring in an overseer to be DFO......and that it won't be Peyton......who could/should it be.
Because I am ready for it to happen.
do not know. sort of like the holmgren experiment if you ask me.
haslam just needs to hire better or bring in some local billionaire (cough lebron cough) who might be able to judge talent.
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OK, but lets assume that Haslam does want to bring in an overseer to be DFO......and that it won't be Peyton......who could/should it be.
Because I am ready for it to happen.
do not know. sort of like the holmgren experiment if you ask me.
haslam just needs to hire better or bring in some local billionaire (cough lebron cough) who might be able to judge talent.
do not know. sort of like the holmgren experiment if you ask me.
haslam just needs to hire better or bring in some local billionaire (cough lebron cough) who might be able to judge talent.
The thing about the "Holmgren experiment" is that it was not really a bad idea...it was just a bad choice of who to select.
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add the GM who just got canned from the cavs to the FO. make it a trifecta. at least he knows talent.
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It may be the exact kind of challenge that Manning would want, yes.
i get that. better men have tried and failed. i'm sure they wish the new era browns were not on their life resume and could get those years back.
plus, what are his qualifications? selling pizza?
let him stick to what he's good at.....being a d.i.c.k.
i get that. better men have tried and failed. i'm sure they wish the new era browns were not on their life resume and could get those years back.
plus, what are his qualifications? selling pizza?
let him stick to what he's good at.....being a d.i.c.k.
Many have tried and failed who are as qualified as the Cleveland Browns front office too.
Not very many have achieved this lack of success though. So far... now it's up to their salesmanship skills and not their football acumen. They have to sell the owner on another season and a half.
WSS
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It's getting harder and harder not to board the Fire Hue Train. What respected head coach declines a personal foul that would have pushed them out of FG range, then his great undertudies proceed to jump offsides on 4th and 1, all aboard! Last trains about to leave the station.
It's getting harder and harder not to board the Fire Hue Train.
Yeah, it is... but IMHO it's lame to pile on the penalty decline.
Kind of an aside, but I was looking into Hue's "Coaching Tree" last week. He doesn't exactly spring from heavyweight limbs nor give rise to substantial twigs...
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i get that. better men have tried and failed. i'm sure they wish the new era browns were not on their life resume and could get those years back.
plus, what are his qualifications? selling pizza?
let him stick to what he's good at.....being a d.i.c.k.
Many have tried and failed who are as qualified as the Cleveland Browns front office too.
Not very many have achieved this lack of success though. So far... now it's up to their salesmanship skills and not their football acumen. They have to sell the owner on another season and a half.
WSS
Many have tried and failed who are as qualified as the Cleveland Browns front office too.
Not very many have achieved this lack of success though. So far... now it's up to their salesmanship skills and not their football acumen. They have to sell the owner on another season and a half.
WSS
that's who i was talking about, the FO. the hue jackson thing, to me, is moot. he has no talent to work with. now if he's the one that is pulling these qb selections out of the hat then there is no excuse and should be gone.....today. but i find that hardly unlikely.
my basis for my earlier rant is based upon the fans who just turn like ravenous zombies on one regime because they don't like them for some reason but are willing to go the extra mile for another who's record and talent and ability to have players play hard every week is not even close.
hated mangini? i give you hue jackson. hated pettine and farmer? i give you hue jackson and these gems of talent evaluators. butch davis? jackson.
flippant asshats.
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It's getting harder and harder not to board the Fire Hue Train.
Yeah, it is... but IMHO it's lame to pile on the penalty decline.
Kind of an aside, but I was looking into Hue's "Coaching Tree" last week. He doesn't exactly spring from heavyweight limbs nor give rise to substantial twigs...
Yeah, it is... but IMHO it's lame to pile on the penalty decline.
Kind of an aside, but I was looking into Hue's "Coaching Tree" last week. He doesn't exactly spring from heavyweight limbs nor give rise to substantial twigs...
Just about every tree has its rotten apple. But what you are saying is that he doesn't even come off a tree. More like a rotten turnip.
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Yeah, it is... but IMHO it's lame to pile on the penalty decline.
Kind of an aside, but I was looking into Hue's "Coaching Tree" last week. He doesn't exactly spring from heavyweight limbs nor give rise to substantial twigs...
Just about every tree has its rotten apple. But what you are saying is that he doesn't even come off a tree. More like a rotten turnip.
Just about every tree has its rotten apple. But what you are saying is that he doesn't even come off a tree. More like a rotten turnip truck.
FIFY
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give hue a 3rd year marching tune from you assholes who couldn't wait to get of mangini or pettine after their 2nd.
hyp-o-friggin-criti-fuggin-cal 2 faced douchebags.
you deserve this bag of lit dog Sheet on your porch....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
give hue a 3rd year marching tune from you assholes who couldn't wait to get of mangini or pettine after their 2nd.
hyp-o-friggin-criti-fuggin-cal 2 faced douchebags.
you deserve this bag of lit dog Sheet on your porch....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
Sorry mix, I've never wanted any of our coaches to go sooner that 3 years, regardless of how badly they were doing. We need consistency and you never know if a coach will turn things around with more time.
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I wanted Pettine and Mangini and Chud to get more time. I wanted Shurmur fired pretty soon after he was hired. I've tried to stay on the keep Hue train but I just don't see it getting any better. Game day decisions are horrible, yanking Kizer in and out of games this season has just been lame considering he left Hogan out there after 3 first half picks, but has less patience with his 21 year old "big future for the franchise" guy?
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I wanted Pettine and Mangini and Chud to get more time. I wanted Shurmur fired pretty soon after he was hired. I've tried to stay on the keep Hue train but I just don't see it getting any better. Game day decisions are horrible, yanking Kizer in and out of games this season has just been lame considering he left Hogan out there after 3 first half picks, but has less patience with his 21 year old "big future for the franchise" guy?
I wanted Pettine and Mangini and Chud to get more time. I wanted Shurmur fired pretty soon after he was hired. I've tried to stay on the keep Hue train but I just don't see it getting any better.
With you on Pet and Mangenius... Chud? Not so much... although he did attract one good coordinators in Norv. Patsy attracted two, but if there was ever a HC doomed by his FO, it was Shurmur's death by Wheezy.
Hue... well... I think I've been pretty clear on him. Conditional retention...
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I wanted Pettine and Mangini and Chud to get more time. I wanted Shurmur fired pretty soon after he was hired. I've tried to stay on the keep Hue train but I just don't see it getting any better.
With you on Pet and Mangenius... Chud? Not so much... although he did attract one good coordinators in Norv. Patsy attracted two, but if there was ever a HC doomed by his FO, it was Shurmur's death by Wheezy.
Hue... well... I think I've been pretty clear on him. Conditional retention...
Hue... well... I think I've been pretty clear on him. Conditional retention...
Conditional retention regardless of record? Meaning if we go 0-16 or 1-15 this season making him a 1 or 2 win coach over 2 seasons you bring him back again for a 3rd year? And what is the conditional retention? I'm guessing he needs to hire an OC to take over the play calling. I guess I could live with that especially if the OC is a guy who could move into the HC role.
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