Joe tore his tricep....
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It sounds like JT may call it a career. It's a shame that we never had a good QB for him to block for.
I think he's overwhelmed with being injured. I believe his competitive spirit will drive him to return.
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Then name a bet... monetary... beeratary... whatevertary...
One... Joe's only 32... turns 33 in December. That is not old for an OT. And he showed absolutely no signs of slowing this season.
Two... the injury is not "major"... it's frickin' Tommy John. Pitchers now come back regularly from this reparative procedure better than ever... stronger than ever.
Before we bet, I feel like you're not understanding what I'm saying. I actually agree with everything you're saying here. I definitely see him coming back, but I see the Browns brass (if we're talking about the same FO) moving him. It's what we did with Joe Haden, and what happens with aging vets all the time in the NFL.
Before we bet, I feel like you're not understanding what I'm saying. I actually agree with everything you're saying here. I definitely see him coming back, but I see the Browns brass (if we're talking about the same FO) moving him. It's what we did with Joe Haden, and what happens with aging vets all the time in the NFL.
Cool... that criteria will work...
"If Joe returns, then he will not remain a Brown if our current FO is still in control."
Ye say Yay... I say nay...
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Pass on Wentz, then lose every damn game. That's how!
Wentz would have been run out of cleveland by years end last year
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Shmuck i love that guy. You know, if he wanted to be OC id be all for it. Let him learn on the job. Im dead serious. If he wanted to be OC id say let him have it, he's proved how much he loves this organization and city. Maybe he wants to be mayor even? Give it to him
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Whoa buddy, I NEVER said the OL was not important, and I never minimized the key role of LT. All I ever said was that good OL are not that hard to come by. Certainly they can be had a lot lower than the first round in the draft. Pittsburgh and the Patriots both won SBs with a makeshift OL put together at the last minute. OL get hurt a lot, It is the nature of the beast. Only in Cleveland are OL so hard to find. Why don't other teams spend years fixing their OL? How come other teams can bring guys in and out and still win titles?
Joe Thomas is a great LT, the best, absolutely. But irreplaceable? No, not at all. The only reason the Browns did not have an acceptable replacement for Joe is because the FO blows, and Hue is a useless HC.
Same can be said of receivers. Patriots and Seahawks won super bowls with makeshift, low round receiving corps as well...
Same can be said of receivers. Patriots and Seahawks won super bowls with makeshift, low round receiving corps as well...
No argument from me. The point is, you can't win without playmakers. You can win without #1 draft pick OL. Joe Thomas truly was a waste of a high draft pick. He did nothing to impact the Browns fortunes.
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Same can be said of receivers. Patriots and Seahawks won super bowls with makeshift, low round receiving corps as well...
No argument from me. The point is, you can't win without playmakers. You can win without #1 draft pick OL. Joe Thomas truly was a waste of a high draft pick. He did nothing to impact the Browns fortunes.
. Joe Thomas truly was a waste of a high draft pick. He did nothing to impact the Browns fortunes.
Ur gripe shouldve about every high pick we missed on since joes draft. Picking joe wasnt the problem, it was every draft after that where we missed on everything.
joes 2007 draft had peterson and lynch available, but how good would they have been on clevelands perennially bad o line? Calvin johnson was in that class but he went before our pick. Its hard to fault the browns for taking jt. If johnson were available maybe that changes. But thank god we didnt have the #1 or we would have drafted jamarcus
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. Joe Thomas truly was a waste of a high draft pick. He did nothing to impact the Browns fortunes.
Ur gripe shouldve about every high pick we missed on since joes draft. Picking joe wasnt the problem, it was every draft after that where we missed on everything.
joes 2007 draft had peterson and lynch available, but how good would they have been on clevelands perennially bad o line? Calvin johnson was in that class but he went before our pick. Its hard to fault the browns for taking jt. If johnson were available maybe that changes. But thank god we didnt have the #1 or we would have drafted jamarcus
Ur gripe shouldve about every high pick we missed on since joes draft. Picking joe wasnt the problem, it was every draft after that where we missed on everything.
Put another way...
We should be so lucky as to have half our picks turn out as well as Joe...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Pass on Wentz, then lose every damn game. That's how!
Wentz would have been run out of cleveland by years end last year
Wentz would have been run out of cleveland by years end last year
This.
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Wentz would have been run out of cleveland by years end last year
This.
This.
Ikr? These same asshats would have gad wentz's picture up next to weedons by midseason with the caption "really? did none of us see this coming?"
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Same can be said of receivers. Patriots and Seahawks won super bowls with makeshift, low round receiving corps as well...
No argument from me. The point is, you can't win without playmakers. You can win without #1 draft pick OL. Joe Thomas truly was a waste of a high draft pick. He did nothing to impact the Browns fortunes.
No argument from me. The point is, you can't win without playmakers. You can win without #1 draft pick OL. Joe Thomas truly was a waste of a high draft pick. He did nothing to impact the Browns fortunes.
Ghoolie you are wrong on this subject. You said the top teams in NFL dont waste top picks on OL.
Well, here is the list of just 1st round OL with good teams recently. There will be a few that were 1st round picks and switched teams, but they still were 1sr rounders that helped their team succeed.
Atlanta: Jake Matthews, Alex Mack
Carolina Panthers: Matt Kalil
Dallas Cowboys: Zach Martin, Travis Frederick, Tyron Smith
Green Bay Packers: Bryan Bulaga
New England Patriots: Nate Solder
Philadelphia Eagles: Lane Johnson (just look at Wentz W-L record with and without him),
Pittsburgh Steelers: David Decastro, Maurkice Pouncey
Seattle Seahawks: Russell Okung
That is just since Joe Thomas was drafted. There has been a few 2nd rounders as well who turned into Pro Bowlers for competing teams.
I could have missed someone as I dont know every teams lineman
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No argument from me. The point is, you can't win without playmakers. You can win without #1 draft pick OL. Joe Thomas truly was a waste of a high draft pick. He did nothing to impact the Browns fortunes.
Ghoolie you are wrong on this subject. You said the top teams in NFL dont waste top picks on OL.
Well, here is the list of just 1st round OL with good teams recently. There will be a few that were 1st round picks and switched teams, but they still were 1sr rounders that helped their team succeed.
Atlanta: Jake Matthews, Alex Mack
Carolina Panthers: Matt Kalil
Dallas Cowboys: Zach Martin, Travis Frederick, Tyron Smith
Green Bay Packers: Bryan Bulaga
New England Patriots: Nate Solder
Philadelphia Eagles: Lane Johnson (just look at Wentz W-L record with and without him),
Pittsburgh Steelers: David Decastro, Maurkice Pouncey
Seattle Seahawks: Russell Okung
That is just since Joe Thomas was drafted. There has been a few 2nd rounders as well who turned into Pro Bowlers for competing teams.
I could have missed someone as I dont know every teams lineman
Ghoolie you are wrong on this subject. You said the top teams in NFL dont waste top picks on OL.
Well, here is the list of just 1st round OL with good teams recently. There will be a few that were 1st round picks and switched teams, but they still were 1sr rounders that helped their team succeed.
Atlanta: Jake Matthews, Alex Mack
Carolina Panthers: Matt Kalil
Dallas Cowboys: Zach Martin, Travis Frederick, Tyron Smith
Green Bay Packers: Bryan Bulaga
New England Patriots: Nate Solder
Philadelphia Eagles: Lane Johnson (just look at Wentz W-L record with and without him),
Pittsburgh Steelers: David Decastro, Maurkice Pouncey
Seattle Seahawks: Russell Okung
That is just since Joe Thomas was drafted. There has been a few 2nd rounders as well who turned into Pro Bowlers for competing teams.
I could have missed someone as I dont know every teams lineman
Those teams had playmakers, They didn't have the total vacuum of playmakers the Browns did. TOTALLY different issue.
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Ghoolie you are wrong on this subject. You said the top teams in NFL dont waste top picks on OL.
Well, here is the list of just 1st round OL with good teams recently. There will be a few that were 1st round picks and switched teams, but they still were 1sr rounders that helped their team succeed.
Atlanta: Jake Matthews, Alex Mack
Carolina Panthers: Matt Kalil
Dallas Cowboys: Zach Martin, Travis Frederick, Tyron Smith
Green Bay Packers: Bryan Bulaga
New England Patriots: Nate Solder
Philadelphia Eagles: Lane Johnson (just look at Wentz W-L record with and without him),
Pittsburgh Steelers: David Decastro, Maurkice Pouncey
Seattle Seahawks: Russell Okung
That is just since Joe Thomas was drafted. There has been a few 2nd rounders as well who turned into Pro Bowlers for competing teams.
I could have missed someone as I dont know every teams lineman
Those teams had playmakers, They didn't have the total vacuum of playmakers the Browns did. TOTALLY different issue.
Those teams had playmakers, They didn't have the total vacuum of playmakers the Browns did. TOTALLY different issue.
Ur right ghoolie but the feeling in the nfl usually is that everything stsrts with the qb. Sonu can have calvin johnson on the team and it doesnt mean Sheet if the qb is on his butt 2 sec after the snap.
Joe didnt have much of an impact because the rest of the line was habitual garbage. Teams just moved their primary edge rushers to the right side.
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To be honest, the best thing that could have happened to the Browns is for Thomas to get hurt. Without the circle jerk over how phenomenal he is, now the Browns organization will face real scrutiny.
Thanks for your service Joe, now run along.
Thanks for your service Joe, now run along.
Thats so wrong ghoolie. I understand to an extent ur gripe about not having playmakers but JT was one of the greatest browns in history and he never left. Telling him to run along? Cmon dude
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Thats so wrong ghoolie. I understand to an extent ur gripe about not having playmakers but JT was one of the greatest browns in history and he never left. Telling him to run along? Cmon dude
It’s really sad being subject to the cycles of Ghoolie’s life. Guy’s grieving and we get nice Ghoolie. Browns fan Ghoolie. He starts to recover and the worthless poster comes out. Really weird.
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Thats so wrong ghoolie. I understand to an extent ur gripe about not having playmakers but JT was one of the greatest browns in history and he never left. Telling him to run along? Cmon dude
It’s really sad being subject to the cycles of Ghoolie’s life. Guy’s grieving and we get nice Ghoolie. Browns fan Ghoolie. He starts to recover and the worthless poster comes out. Really weird.
It’s really sad being subject to the cycles of Ghoolie’s life. Guy’s grieving and we get nice Ghoolie. Browns fan Ghoolie. He starts to recover and the worthless poster comes out. Really weird.
It is days of our ghoolie isnt it?
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Thats so wrong ghoolie. I understand to an extent ur gripe about not having playmakers but JT was one of the greatest browns in history and he never left. Telling him to run along? Cmon dude
Look man, when it comes to athletics I believe the ancient Romans had it right. The empire provided a great life for the gladiator. Housing, wealth, women, and every comfort imaginable. Caesar however never consulted with the gladiator, or asked him for his "wisdom" and view on life. When the gladiator became old and could no longer fight, it was his turn in the lion pit.
Calling him the one of the greatest players in Browns history is a stretch for me. I just don't see him as having done jack schidt. Again, what analytical data can you give me to demonstrate his favorable impact? Did we improve in running? passing? 3d down conversion? QB stability? Wins? Titles? Championships? Can you demonstrate one analytical that got better with him on the team?
The only thing spectacular about Joe Thomas was his longevity. Hardly an HOF accomplishment.
Every year 16 teams get into the NFL playoffs. All of them with a serviceable LT, most of them with several holding down the position. The position, while important, is simply not difficult to fill. Now, I get it, we have not had a lot to cheer about, but I am sorry because not having much to cheer about doesn't lower the bar for me. It isn't enough for me to just buy into some BS about " we are building for the future", "we are amassing assets" and "you just can't see it, we are finally doing it the right way"
It isn't enough for me to have a secret society worship party for JT and celebrate him in some goofy "at least we have him" campfire celebration.
Facts are facts. There are many, many, many athletes who do a very good job at LT. Joe Thomas simply has not delivered any measurable results over his entire career. All this crap about, "if we didn't have him, or QBs would have gotten destroyed", is absolute horse manure. Nobody knows what would have happened if we never drafted JT. I could just as credibly make the argument that if we didn't waste the pick on JT but instead found a play maler, and filled the LT with a low round pick, we would have been progressing on the right track long ago.
You guys life and die by analyic BS, so you don't get to defend JT by saying "this would have happened if we didn't have him".
His position is important, but a lot of guys can do just as well, and a lot of guys do. The team is 1 - 22 with this great future HOF'er, so forgive me if I am not defecating my pants at the thought of him being hurt. The net result of Joe Thomas playing? Losses, Lots of losses. And what of his leadership? Joking on the sidelines when his team is getting destroyed? What of his mentoring ability? For as great as he supposedly is, you would have thought he might have improved the OL play around him.
So, no, I have no regrets about stating my views. He served well, now its time to get him the hell out of here, boot him in the butt, trade him, cut him, or whatever, and get some new blood in here. Time to focus on getting a new head coach, a QB, some WRs and TEs. This Joe THomas stuff is pure mental masturbation.
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Thats so wrong ghoolie. I understand to an extent ur gripe about not having playmakers but JT was one of the greatest browns in history and he never left. Telling him to run along? Cmon dude
It’s really sad being subject to the cycles of Ghoolie’s life. Guy’s grieving and we get nice Ghoolie. Browns fan Ghoolie. He starts to recover and the worthless poster comes out. Really weird.
It’s really sad being subject to the cycles of Ghoolie’s life. Guy’s grieving and we get nice Ghoolie. Browns fan Ghoolie. He starts to recover and the worthless poster comes out. Really weird.
Dude,
I am not spewing hate and venom. I have a strong opinion of Joe Thomas. Just because this pizzes you off doesn't mean it is disruptive or not valid. I have asked you guys over and over, demonstrate to me in terms of numbers where JT has improved the Browns. That is football talk, dude. Joe Thomas is not sacred. That i think he was a waste of a pick and a non-issue isn't being negative, it isn't trolling, and it isn't at all unacceptable for this forum. I just don't revere this guy. I don't see im as anythign special and frankly, I am glad his career in Cleveland is over.
Enough of this guy already. He's done. Stick a fork in him. He has absolutely no impact on the Browns future There is a football game Sunday. That's where the focus should be.
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This.
Ikr? These same asshats would have gad wentz's picture up next to weedons by midseason with the caption "really? did none of us see this coming?"
Ikr? These same asshats would have gad wentz's picture up next to weedons by midseason with the caption "really? did none of us see this coming?"
No way... no one gets near my Wheezy shrine! Book It!
The ginger was beyond special.
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. Joe Thomas truly was a waste of a high draft pick. He did nothing to impact the Browns fortunes.
Ur gripe shouldve about every high pick we missed on since joes draft. Picking joe wasnt the problem, it was every draft after that where we missed on everything.
joes 2007 draft had peterson and lynch available, but how good would they have been on clevelands perennially bad o line? Calvin johnson was in that class but he went before our pick. Its hard to fault the browns for taking jt. If johnson were available maybe that changes. But thank god we didnt have the #1 or we would have drafted jamarcus
Ur gripe shouldve about every high pick we missed on since joes draft. Picking joe wasnt the problem, it was every draft after that where we missed on everything.
joes 2007 draft had peterson and lynch available, but how good would they have been on clevelands perennially bad o line? Calvin johnson was in that class but he went before our pick. Its hard to fault the browns for taking jt. If johnson were available maybe that changes. But thank god we didnt have the #1 or we would have drafted jamarcus
What screwed that draft was trading up with Dallas- and taking Brady Quinn.
The second rounder ( we gave the Cowboys) that year could have been Steve Smith. And if you really want to puke, go take a look at the talent we could have had with our first round pick in 2008 that we gave the 'Pokes in the Quinn trade.
It's not like we haven't tried drafting QBs- we've just had an incredible string of bad luck drafting the wrong ones high. Besides the (Not) Mighty Quinn, Wee-Done, Party Animal. I greatly fear Kizer Wilhelm will be joining the list on the second row of the jersey. . Instead of Ben Rothlisberger and Aaron Rodgers. Before Ghoolie opens his yap- I was all about the Ben and Wentz trains.
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