monday night football crew trolls....
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Carson Wentz vs Redskins..
68.0%
268 Yards
4TDs
1INT
126.3 Rating
Should have drafted Carson Wentz..
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I didn't want goff at all. ... I even showed pics of Wentz and his pretty girlfriend...
and then couldn't find a pic of goff with anybody ever. He was boring.
Ah, just draft Josh Allen next year and we can forget about agonizing over Wentz.
Once in a long while, the Browns should read my mock drafts in the first round. Oh, wait,
maybe they did - they drafted Joe Thomas. LOL
I didn't want goff at all.
I did...
A lot easier to admit this season.
I'm curious how many people here really wanted the Browns to take a DII QB with 20 or so college starts, who made about a 1/3rd the college pass attempts as Goff #2 overall.
I mean, it's turned out to be the right call, but I'll totally admit I wasn't buying Wentz as he entered the Draft. That being said, this isn't meant to be an excuse for the Browns front office passing him up. They get paid tons of money to make these decisions. I'm a slapdick on a message board talking to other slapdicks.
There were plenty that wanted Wentz.... but as Mikey, with whom you never had the pleasure of posting, intimated, I was not among them for the very reasons you mentioned.
Now? Everyone with an inkling is coming out of the Wentz woodwork. Romanticizing the guy as a consensus "top one or two" pick when he wasn't. The guy that caused CBS Sports to give the Iggles draft a "B-" for overdrafting him... for overraching for him.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I didn't want goff at all.
I did...
A lot easier to admit this season.
I'm curious how many people here really wanted the Browns to take a DII QB with 20 or so college starts, who made about a 1/3rd the college pass attempts as Goff #2 overall.
I mean, it's turned out to be the right call, but I'll totally admit I wasn't buying Wentz as he entered the Draft. That being said, this isn't meant to be an excuse for the Browns front office passing him up. They get paid tons of money to make these decisions. I'm a slapdick on a message board talking to other slapdicks.
There were plenty that wanted Wentz.... but as Mikey, with whom you never had the pleasure of posting, intimated, I was not among them for the very reasons you mentioned.
Now? Everyone with an inkling is coming out of the Wentz woodwork. Romanticizing the guy as a consensus "top one or two" pick when he wasn't. The guy that caused CBS Sports to give the Iggles draft a "B-" for overdrafting him... for overraching for him.
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Zombo said:
They haven't mentioned the 5 times we could have had Cousins ... so there's that.
Zombo
WHY IN GODDAMN HELL DIDN'T WE DRAFT BART STARR IN 1956 TO TAKE OVER FROM THE RETIRING OTTO GRAHAM. DAMMIT HE WAS THERE FOR US TO PICK AT #200. INSTEAD WE TAKE THE LIKES OF SHERMAN PLUNKETT, BILL UNDERDONK....YES...THAT'S HIS REAL NAME. HARRY JAVERNICK, AND THURLOW COOPER. IT MAKES MY BLOOD BOIL TO THINK THAT WE COULDA HAD HIM AND WE PASSED ON HIM. I DON'T CARE THAT I WAS 4 YEARS OLD AT THE TIME AND I AM NOW 65....ITS JUST ANOTHER LINE OF DAMNED STUPID MISTAKES BY THE BROWNS FRONT OFFICE. BY CHRIST WHY CAN'T THEY DO SOMETHING RIGHT FOR ONCE! THAT PAUL BROWN COULDN'T TELL A QB FROM A GOPHER HOLE!!!!!
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Zombo said:
They haven't mentioned the 5 times we could have had Cousins ... so there's that.
Zombo
WHY IN GODDAMN HELL DIDN'T WE DRAFT BART STARR IN 1956 TO TAKE OVER FROM THE RETIRING OTTO GRAHAM. DAMMIT HE WAS THERE FOR US TO PICK AT #200. INSTEAD WE TAKE THE LIKES OF SHERMAN PLUNKETT, BILL UNDERDONK....YES...THAT'S HIS REAL NAME. HARRY JAVERNICK, AND THURLOW COOPER. IT MAKES MY BLOOD BOIL TO THINK THAT WE COULDA HAD HIM AND WE PASSED ON HIM. I DON'T CARE THAT I WAS 4 YEARS OLD AT THE TIME AND I AM NOW 65....ITS JUST ANOTHER LINE OF DAMNED STUPID MISTAKES BY THE BROWNS FRONT OFFICE. BY CHRIST WHY CAN'T THEY DO SOMETHING RIGHT FOR ONCE! THAT PAUL BROWN COULDN'T TELL A QB FROM A GOPHER HOLE!!!!!
WHY IN GODDAMN HELL DIDN'T WE DRAFT BART STARR IN 1956 TO TAKE OVER FROM THE RETIRING OTTO GRAHAM. DAMMIT HE WAS THERE FOR US TO PICK AT #200. INSTEAD WE TAKE THE LIKES OF SHERMAN PLUNKETT, BILL UNDERDONK....YES...THAT'S HIS REAL NAME. HARRY JAVERNICK, AND THURLOW COOPER. IT MAKES MY BLOOD BOIL TO THINK THAT WE COULDA HAD HIM AND WE PASSED ON HIM. I DON'T CARE THAT I WAS 4 YEARS OLD AT THE TIME AND I AM NOW 65....ITS JUST ANOTHER LINE OF DAMNED STUPID MISTAKES BY THE BROWNS FRONT OFFICE. BY CHRIST WHY CAN'T THEY DO SOMETHING RIGHT FOR ONCE! THAT PAUL BROWN COULDN'T TELL A QB FROM A GOPHER HOLE!!!!!
We get your point.
If Kizer wins a championship like Ryan did everyone will move on from who we have passed over in the past few years.
Until then, it is legitimate conversation on the Browns Board.
Certainly not worth being yelled at in Red All Caps for discussing it.
Z
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WHY IN GODDAMN HELL DIDN'T WE DRAFT BART STARR IN 1956 TO TAKE OVER FROM THE RETIRING OTTO GRAHAM. DAMMIT HE WAS THERE FOR US TO PICK AT #200. INSTEAD WE TAKE THE LIKES OF SHERMAN PLUNKETT, BILL UNDERDONK....YES...THAT'S HIS REAL NAME. HARRY JAVERNICK, AND THURLOW COOPER. IT MAKES MY BLOOD BOIL TO THINK THAT WE COULDA HAD HIM AND WE PASSED ON HIM. I DON'T CARE THAT I WAS 4 YEARS OLD AT THE TIME AND I AM NOW 65....ITS JUST ANOTHER LINE OF DAMNED STUPID MISTAKES BY THE BROWNS FRONT OFFICE. BY CHRIST WHY CAN'T THEY DO SOMETHING RIGHT FOR ONCE! THAT PAUL BROWN COULDN'T TELL A QB FROM A GOPHER HOLE!!!!!
We get your point.
If Kizer wins a championship like Ryan did everyone will move on from who we have passed over in the past few years.
Until then, it is legitimate conversation on the Browns Board.
Certainly not worth being yelled at in Red All Caps for discussing it.
Z
Zombo said:
If Kizer wins a championship like Ryan did everyone will move on from who we have passed over in the past few years.
Or Rosen... or Darnold... or Allen... or ToursSuperSecretSleeperV2018 (who's climbing boards already)
or...
Alex Smith...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Man, bro, c'mon. This is the worst apologetic euphemism of all. " Yeah, he's good, but I 'm just not sure he would have worked in Cleveland".
Dude, just man up and admit it, the Browns are a laughing stock because of their drafting. The Browns blew it with Wentz, and Goff, too. Julio Jones wasn't good enough, Ben wasn't good enough.................. always the excuse, "Oh, he wouldn't have worked out in Cleveland".
Here is the real issue. For whatever reason, the Cleveland Browns have purposely chosen not to participate in the drafting of top QBs and WRs, and it has finally come home to haunt us.
I guess it's just decades of being beaten down............
I guess it's just decades of being beaten down............
It's okay, but you know the first step in beating bad behavior is a face it a la...."I am an alcoholic"
The Browns have a culture problem and it isn't just the FO, The fans, media and some past, influential players feed this mess. Remember, we had two owners that know nothing about football. For whatever reason, the culture around Cleveland is that the team should not "waste" draft picks on QBs and playmakers. This crap about accumulating assets, building for the future, adding all the foundation players, is a cancer............and absolute cancer. You can see the results of it right here on this board. We are 1 - 22 under this philosophy, we have watched great QBs and playmakers come and go....over and over........... and STILL...........there is a prevailing thought process here of F$%# em, those guys suck and would not have been right for our system.
Jesus, Joseph and Mary..............Goff, Wentz, Rivers, J. Jones, AJ, Green, Roethlisberger, and on and on it goes. yeah, none of those guys were a fit for us......... we have gems like Corey Coleman and Kizer.
I am telling you, the first key to the Browns getting better is to get Jim Brown, Bernie Kosar and Doug Dieken as far away from the organization as possible. This BS workman style of drafting has provided 17 years of feces. I don't know of any team who has spent more money or time on the damned OL. JB spent his entire career whining about how Jim Taylor and Paul Horngung had great offensive lines, and I promise you, he is still chirping his BS into Haslam's ear.
Until the Browns management comes forward and says loudly and clearly, " We have been wrong, we have wasted our draft picks on non-essential players, they will continue to be the laughing stock of the NFL.
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The point is not how good Goff, Wentz or Watson are doing. That is sickening enough for Haslam. The real issue is that the Browns have not participated in the market of top level QBs or WRs for 18 years now.
Finding a great QB is tough enough without making matters worse by not even trying to get one.
Kizer, Hogan and Kessler, three blind mice; the culmination of a team that simply does not believe in, and understand the importance of a QB and leader.
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Zombo said:
If Kizer wins a championship like Ryan did everyone will move on from who we have passed over in the past few years.
Or Rosen... or Darnold... or Allen... or ToursSuperSecretSleeperV2018 (who's climbing boards already)
or...
Alex Smith...
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This bullshite about how other players wouldn't be doing the same thing on our team is absurd....thats how I know an argument is a losing argument, when someone starts up with that nonsense.
I wonder what it would take to trade for Wentz now? Seriously?
This bullshite about how other players wouldn't be doing the same thing on our team is absurd....thats how I know an argument is a losing argument, when someone starts up with that nonsense.
I wonder what it would take to trade for Wentz now? Seriously?
Really? So he’d be doing just as well? You believe that?
Calling something absurd then throwing in some italics doesn’t make it true.
a lot of people obviously thought wentz would be good because he was predicted to go in the GOD DAMN TOP TWO OR THREE PICKS OF THE ENTIRE NFL DRAFT. It's not like teams were trying to trade into the top few picks to draft crappy qbs dude, so of course there were lots of evaluators who thought he would be good.
As for the eagles skill players, they are...allright I guess? A really good tight end but then a lot of retreads or unproven guys at wideout slots. Nelson Aguilar has largely been dissapointing and we'll end up paying more for a year of kenny britt than they will for jeffries. It's not some great cast around him...
Lol. The same bunch that spends all their time telling everyone how much our players suck now tells us they’re as good as the best team in the league’s. That’s good stuff.
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This bullshite about how other players wouldn't be doing the same thing on our team is absurd....thats how I know an argument is a losing argument, when someone starts up with that nonsense.
I wonder what it would take to trade for Wentz now? Seriously?
Really? So he’d be doing just as well? You believe that?
Calling something absurd then throwing in some italics doesn’t make it true.
a lot of people obviously thought wentz would be good because he was predicted to go in the GOD DAMN TOP TWO OR THREE PICKS OF THE ENTIRE NFL DRAFT. It's not like teams were trying to trade into the top few picks to draft crappy qbs dude, so of course there were lots of evaluators who thought he would be good.
As for the eagles skill players, they are...allright I guess? A really good tight end but then a lot of retreads or unproven guys at wideout slots. Nelson Aguilar has largely been dissapointing and we'll end up paying more for a year of kenny britt than they will for jeffries. It's not some great cast around him...
Lol. The same bunch that spends all their time telling everyone how much our players suck now tells us they’re as good as the best team in the league’s. That’s good stuff.
Really? So he’d be doing just as well? You believe that?
The Browns are the worst team in the NFL over the last two seasons.
Of course Wentz wouldn't do as well. He would, though, be light years better than any QB the Browns have now, and would be the franchise QB to build the rest of the team around. The Browns flat-out missed on him, but there's nothing they can do about it now. (Nor can we).
What we all can hope for is that with the upcoming draft the Browns (whoever is manning the ship come next April) figures out who is the best QB, actually takes them, and is right.
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WHY IN GODDAMN HELL DIDN'T WE DRAFT BART STARR IN 1956 TO TAKE OVER FROM THE RETIRING OTTO GRAHAM. DAMMIT HE WAS THERE FOR US TO PICK AT #200. INSTEAD WE TAKE THE LIKES OF SHERMAN PLUNKETT, BILL UNDERDONK....YES...THAT'S HIS REAL NAME. HARRY JAVERNICK, AND THURLOW COOPER. IT MAKES MY BLOOD BOIL TO THINK THAT WE COULDA HAD HIM AND WE PASSED ON HIM. I DON'T CARE THAT I WAS 4 YEARS OLD AT THE TIME AND I AM NOW 65....ITS JUST ANOTHER LINE OF DAMNED STUPID MISTAKES BY THE BROWNS FRONT OFFICE. BY CHRIST WHY CAN'T THEY DO SOMETHING RIGHT FOR ONCE! THAT PAUL BROWN COULDN'T TELL A QB FROM A GOPHER HOLE!!!!!
We get your point.
If Kizer wins a championship like Ryan did everyone will move on from who we have passed over in the past few years.
Until then, it is legitimate conversation on the Browns Board.
Certainly not worth being yelled at in Red All Caps for discussing it.
Z
Zombo said:
We get your point.
If Kizer wins a championship like Ryan did everyone will move on from who we have passed over in the past few years.
Until then, it is legitimate conversation on the Browns Board.
Certainly not worth being yelled at in Red All Caps for discussing it.
Z
Of course it is worth it.....its called Catharsis!!
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Just win a few games and they will STFU. Until then deal with the trolling.
WSS
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What gets me is the list of playmakers we have drafted. Guys that were studs in college, and then they come to clev and abs flame out.
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The point is not how good Goff, Wentz or Watson are doing. That is sickening enough for Haslam. The real issue is that the Browns have not participated in the market of top level QBs or WRs for 18 years now.
Finding a great QB is tough enough without making matters worse by not even trying to get one.
Kizer, Hogan and Kessler, three blind mice; the culmination of a team that simply does not believe in, and understand the importance of a QB and leader.
The point is not how good Goff, Wentz or Watson are doing. That is sickening enough for Haslam. The real issue is that the Browns have not participated in the market of top level QBs or WRs for 18 years now.
Hi,my names Gumby & am here to help
..your accordion redneck greatest dumpster fire hits..Here's your Gary Allan chorus...So I'm just sittin' around here watchin' QB"s. Take Off & Fly..Tryin' to figure out which One We might be on?(28)..And why.. The Browns don't love us anymore..
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
i think the fans (including you and i) knew that wentz was the real deal BUT wait.............let's trade down!!!!
I didn't... still don't...
Where’s Tour2ma and his cowpoop theory about how Wentz can’t throw down field or work through progressions?
Hey Mikey! Good old, "Manziel hit'em in stride", Mikey...
Just wrote up how I still don't see "progressions" from Carson... doesn't come off his primary ever, unless he's pressured.
As for throw downfield... I don't reacall that, but if I said it, I was wrong. Kid throws a great deep ball... kid throws a great ball period... just to his first read... unless he's pressured.
Don't be a stranger...
Oh.... and you can't say "poop" anymore here...
I didn't... still don't...
Hey Mikey! Good old, "Manziel hit'em in stride", Mikey...
Just wrote up how I still don't see "progressions" from Carson... doesn't come off his primary ever, unless he's pressured.
As for throw downfield... I don't reacall that, but if I said it, I was wrong. Kid throws a great deep ball... kid throws a great ball period... just to his first read... unless he's pressured.
Don't be a stranger...
Oh.... and you can't say "poop" anymore here...
at some point what you do is what you do....regardless of how you do it. If wentz keeps playing like this, none of it really matters how he comes to that final product.....
I dont know if wentz will continue to be good, but he's been real good so far in 2017 in terms of what he has actually done.Im not a huge fan though. Hell we'd obviously be in a better position if we had him than corey freaking coleman, a safety who cant play safety, and a second round pick....
Goff looks good too. Watson looks good. And we're sitting on our butt with three garbage qbs and a soon to be fired head coach. Blah....
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The point is not how good Goff, Wentz or Watson are doing. That is sickening enough for Haslam. The real issue is that the Browns have not participated in the market of top level QBs or WRs for 18 years now.
Hi,my names Gumby & am here to help
..your accordion redneck greatest dumpster fire hits..Here's your Gary Allan chorus...So I'm just sittin' around here watchin' QB"s. Take Off & Fly..Tryin' to figure out which One We might be on?(28)..And why.. The Browns don't love us anymore..
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
This bullshite about how other players wouldn't be doing the same thing on our team is absurd....thats how I know an argument is a losing argument, when someone starts up with that nonsense.
I wonder what it would take to trade for Wentz now? Seriously?
Really? So he’d be doing just as well? You believe that?
Calling something absurd then throwing in some italics doesn’t make it true.
a lot of people obviously thought wentz would be good because he was predicted to go in the GOD DAMN TOP TWO OR THREE PICKS OF THE ENTIRE NFL DRAFT. It's not like teams were trying to trade into the top few picks to draft crappy qbs dude, so of course there were lots of evaluators who thought he would be good.
As for the eagles skill players, they are...allright I guess? A really good tight end but then a lot of retreads or unproven guys at wideout slots. Nelson Aguilar has largely been dissapointing and we'll end up paying more for a year of kenny britt than they will for jeffries. It's not some great cast around him...
Lol. The same bunch that spends all their time telling everyone how much our players suck now tells us they’re as good as the best team in the league’s. That’s good stuff.
Really? So he’d be doing just as well? You believe that?
he'd be doing well. It's not like he is throwing toin their prime randy moss and marvin harrison as wideouts now. He has a pro bowl caliber tight end. Their signing of Alshon was very similar to our signing of britt. After we cut britt this year he'll actually get more total comp paid out than the eagles paid alshon for 2018. Have you ever considered that if britt had signed with the eagles and had an actual qb throwing to him he may actually have been the serviceable starting veteran wideout we expected? Dont forget we also invested a ton in our offensive line so our crappy qbs have something there at least......
so yeah, qbs who play well....play well. I'm not going to pretend to know exactly how many tds and whatnot he would throw, but the point is he's played well and our qbs havent.
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Reasonable take... Although I think the gap between their WR corps, and RB stable, and ours is greater than you are letting on, the bigger issue is coaching.
Wentz still looks to be "reined in" to my eye and that's in a tailored offense in which he reportedly has input.... as in "like this not this, how about this" imput.
Not hearing any tails of that out of CLE... or Berea...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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