"With the First Pick of the 2018 Draft, the Browns Select..."

[wargograw]

I've been saying Kirk's overrated since the middle of last season, and no one here has watched him more than me.

His PFF grade in the last two games is under 42. 

He's eclipsed 60 yards just once this season.

He's on pace for 51 catches (and he is usually targeted 8+ times per game), 600 yards, and 7.5 TDs as a THIRD YEAR starter with a bunch of freshman receivers aroudn him.

[TexasAg1969]

@wargograw said:

I've been saying Kirk's overrated since the middle of last season, and no one here has watched him more than me.

His PFF grade in the last two games is under 42. 

He's eclipsed 60 yards just once this season.

He's on pace for 51 catches (and he is usually targeted 8+ times per game), 600 yards, and 7.5 TDs as a THIRD YEAR starter with a bunch of freshman receivers aroudn him.

True. However just like Garrett before him, the defenses are geared at stopping him before any other player on the team.

EDIT: And like the Browns we had not had great QB play and often miss him with overthrows deep.

[SD_Tom]

Not the #1 pick..... But for rb,  what about Josh Adams from ND? Looks like an NFL back from the limited clips I've seen.  

[D Bone]

"......... Ryan Watson - Long Snapper - Humboldt State University" 

[BaconHound]

......Someone who won't make much of a difference

[The Gipper]

I have heard a few commentators say that Mason Rudolph of OK State has the best skills of all QBs coming out that could translate to the pro game.

Would anyone object to bringing in both Rudolph AND his teammate James Washington both in round 1?

[The Gipper]

There may be a few drawbacks to Rudolph.:

Strengths
- Appears very accurate with touch 
- Prototypical size
- Plenty of arm strength
- Makes smart decisions with the football
- Should end his career with over 40 starts to his credit
- Above-average athlete 


Weaknesses
- Plays in a spread scheme
- Pre-snap responsibility is minimal
- Smaller hands struggled in the rain

But you know what his biggest drawback is?   He plays in the Big 12.   And what QBs has the Big 12 produced? A few, but most definitely mediocre at best.  Current Big 12 QBs in the NFL

Brandon Weeden

Geno Smith

Sam Bradford

Landry Jones

Trevone Boykin

Andy Dalton

Colt McCoy

Patrick Mahomes

Anyone else?

Dalton probably the best.

[darren15]

@the-gipper said:

There may be a few drawbacks to Rudolph.:

Strengths
- Appears very accurate with touch 
- Prototypical size
- Plenty of arm strength
- Makes smart decisions with the football
- Should end his career with over 40 starts to his credit
- Above-average athlete 


Weaknesses
- Plays in a spread scheme
- Pre-snap responsibility is minimal
- Smaller hands struggled in the rain

But you know what his biggest drawback is?   He plays in the Big 12.   And what QBs has the Big 12 produced? A few, but most definitely mediocre at best.  Current Big 12 QBs in the NFL

Brandon Weeden

Geno Smith

Sam Bradford

Landry Jones

Trevone Boykin

Andy Dalton

Colt McCoy

Patrick Mahomes

Anyone else?

Dalton probably the best.

Another weakness is the red nose....couldn't possibly disguise a handoff

[The Gipper]

@darren15 said:

Another weakness is the red nose....couldn't possibly disguise a handoff

But....if it gets foggy on the shores of Lake Erie, that could be a major plus.

[calfoxwc]

nope. the new qb for the Browns will be Josh Allen. Hogan and Kizer can back him up.

We passed on Wentz, big colossal mistake - Allen is the Wentz type - just draft him - he's the

real deal.

[calfoxwc]

[calfoxwc]

I don't care about the hype over Rosen, Darnold, etc. really dont' care. When I look at film of all the top qb's...

Allen is my qb if I was going to draft one. He has the Carson Wentz factors - strong arm, touch on the ball, very

mobile, has that fire, that competitiveness, the leadership, the high football IQ, the instincts, the timing,

rough tough outstanding kid - multi-sport athletic ...maybe the strongest arm, but the most accurate arm, he extends

plays naturally - looks off the safeties instinctively - often, he can be looking left, and immediately turn and look

right, and throw a pass. He throws passes like guided missiles. JOSH ALLEN. Browns first round pick.

[calfoxwc]

Amazing - Allen even got advice from Carson Wentz ! No wonder I see them being so similar ~

they BOTH played for the same coach  ...Craig Bohl ! The new Browns qb - JOSH ALLEN

I watch Allen play, and he does a lot of small things that Kizer never can do. Allen is my

Carson Wentz can't miss pick.

[calfoxwc]

[Mark O]

So i'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that Cal likes Josh Allen for the Browns.  I'm not totally sure though. 

[calfoxwc]

LOL. I admired Wentz, I admire Allen. It's just what I see in those two qb's.

[nickers]

Joe Fabeetz... Kicker.. MIT Fashion and Designs...

[flyingfooldoug]

@nickers said:

Joe Fabeetz... Kicker.. MIT Fashion and Designs...

Sounds like someone Stosh would pick. Numbers don't lie...lol. Unfortunately the analytics guy from Harvard has no concept of human nature... So Joe it shall be.... Let's celebrate

[stillmotion]

Worst possible Scenario - Sashi Trades the #1 pick to the Jags, or Steelers for their pick and another first the next year

Also, Sashi trades the #1 pick to the Redskins for Cousins and a pick (unlikely)

But, I know he'll be thinking about it. BUT, if we trade down, there will be riots in cleveland next year. lol i'm not even kidding

[The Gipper]

@calfoxwc said:

nope. the new qb for the Browns will be Josh Allen. Hogan and Kizer can back him up.

We passed on Wentz, big colossal mistake - Allen is the Wentz type - just draft him - he's the

real deal.

I see nothing to show that he is any more the real deal than Rudolph is.  Plays a lower level of competition.