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  • TOLEDO dummies.

  • C calfoxwc

    I just think this kid is the one kid this year that I would draft. Period. From the same link above:

    "For all of the touchdowns and big passes Allen completed in his breakout season, the defining play for Bohl, and for some NFL evaluators, came at a crucial point in what ended up as a crushing 27-24 loss to San Diego State in the Mountain West title game. The coaching staff had warned Allen about staying away from corner Damontae Kazee, the two-time Mountain West Defensive Player of the Year and Atlanta's fifth-round pick in this draft.

    Never one to blanch at a challenge, Allen got baited a bit by Kazee, who squatted on a hitch route and was on the cusp of returning it for a pick-six. But Allen was sprinting to the sideline with the speedy but diminutive 5-8 corner in his sights.

    "Josh runs all the way over and just lights him up, lights him up," Bohl recalled, "and the ball goes into the end zone and we recover it and it goes out to the 20. And Josh is on the sidelines, he's got blood coming out of his mouth and his eye is swollen and he's looking at me and he's pissed [at himself for throwing the pick] and he wants to get right back in there and fight. That's what I love."

    Oh, hell yeah, he's my qb pick. Absolutely. If the Browns don't draft him, they are screwed.

    @calfoxwc said:

    I just think this kid is the one kid this year that I would draft. Period. From the same link above:

    "For all of the touchdowns and big passes Allen completed in his breakout season, the defining play for Bohl, and for some NFL evaluators, came at a crucial point in what ended up as a crushing 27-24 loss to San Diego State in the Mountain West title game. The coaching staff had warned Allen about staying away from corner Damontae Kazee, the two-time Mountain West Defensive Player of the Year and Atlanta's fifth-round pick in this draft.

    Never one to blanch at a challenge, Allen got baited a bit by Kazee, who squatted on a hitch route and was on the cusp of returning it for a pick-six. But Allen was sprinting to the sideline with the speedy but diminutive 5-8 corner in his sights.

    "Josh runs all the way over and just lights him up, lights him up," Bohl recalled, "and the ball goes into the end zone and we recover it and it goes out to the 20. And Josh is on the sidelines, he's got blood coming out of his mouth and his eye is swollen and he's looking at me and he's pissed [at himself for throwing the pick] and he wants to get right back in there and fight. That's what I love."

    Oh, hell yeah, he's my qb pick. Absolutely. If the Browns don't draft him, they are screwed.

    Get ready for a big plate of crow served cold if the Browns pick him. Bust before play one.😛

    If he had not thrown the INT he would not have had to light him up. Rest my case.😁

  • We have zero need for another developmental QB cal. We have his clone on the roster as is

  • I am tired of talking about the draft 16 weeks before the SB is over. The draft is not going to dramatically change the 2018 Browns. We have 8 games left. Considering you and I will never take one single snap in the NFL, that is one hell of a lot of precious time and football left to be looking past. Shmuck it, why don't they focus on going 4 - 4 here on out? There is plenty of time to build some identity and momentum.

    The Cleveland Browns have the hardest hit players in the NFL

  • Gotta fire hue jackson first Ghoolie, we'll never go anywhere with him at the helm

  • LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares

    @texasag1969 said:

    He has not even completed 60% of his college passes against mediocre teams, even last year with better players. Ridiculous pick for a pro team.

    I am interested to see how the QBs shape up between now and the draft. Someone will jump to the top of the heap.

    @logicisforsquares said:

    I am interested to see how the QBs shape up between now and the draft. Someone will jump to the top of the heap.

    Couple years ago, no one had heard of Carson Wentz.  

    @calfoxwc said:

    You don't get that by being inaccurate, not a good ball placement guy.

    However, admittedly, he has times when the ball sails, etc. Let's compare how tough it is to adapt to

    NO qb is perfect. No player is perfect. Btw, I couldn't find a rothrapistbooger nfl profile, so....he did play at Miami of Ohio though,

    and had a terrific cast of players around him, even when I was at Kent , Miami was a power player in the MAC.     

       I figure if rothlicksbooger had played for Wyoming, he wouldn't have done much more than Allen, who knows.

    We'll see if he wows everybody at the combine and workouts - he won't have to be running most plays to avoid sacks, etc.But the intangibles are tough to find. Kizer - doesn't have em.

    Now I agree with you about Kizer- but that's about it. 

    Look I love the University of Wyoming. Probably second on my list to Ohio State. Been to & through Laramie at least 4 times, and have my Cowboy mug.  With all the hype, I really wanted to have a good look at Allen & hope he could be "the guy", and MHO? He's not it either. I totally agree with Ag, plain not accurate enough. 

    If you want to give him a pass because of lousy weather against Colorado State- ahem. The light came on for me that I wanted the Browns to draft Rothlisberger came during a bad weather game at Miami. The game was played in a windstorm with gusts up to 50mph, and the continuous wind probably had to be 25, if not 30 mph+. Well, Ben completed a stupid percentage  of his passes in that gale (might have been around 70%). Knew then he was the real deal. Hysterical you want to nit-pick one of Ben's bad games. He's a career 64% completion sort of guy. 

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  • hoortaH hoorta

    @logicisforsquares said:

    I am interested to see how the QBs shape up between now and the draft. Someone will jump to the top of the heap.

    Couple years ago, no one had heard of Carson Wentz.  

    @calfoxwc said:

    You don't get that by being inaccurate, not a good ball placement guy.

    However, admittedly, he has times when the ball sails, etc. Let's compare how tough it is to adapt to

    NO qb is perfect. No player is perfect. Btw, I couldn't find a rothrapistbooger nfl profile, so....he did play at Miami of Ohio though,

    and had a terrific cast of players around him, even when I was at Kent , Miami was a power player in the MAC.     

       I figure if rothlicksbooger had played for Wyoming, he wouldn't have done much more than Allen, who knows.

    We'll see if he wows everybody at the combine and workouts - he won't have to be running most plays to avoid sacks, etc.But the intangibles are tough to find. Kizer - doesn't have em.

    Now I agree with you about Kizer- but that's about it. 

    Look I love the University of Wyoming. Probably second on my list to Ohio State. Been to & through Laramie at least 4 times, and have my Cowboy mug.  With all the hype, I really wanted to have a good look at Allen & hope he could be "the guy", and MHO? He's not it either. I totally agree with Ag, plain not accurate enough. 

    If you want to give him a pass because of lousy weather against Colorado State- ahem. The light came on for me that I wanted the Browns to draft Rothlisberger came during a bad weather game at Miami. The game was played in a windstorm with gusts up to 50mph, and the continuous wind probably had to be 25, if not 30 mph+. Well, Ben completed a stupid percentage  of his passes in that gale (might have been around 70%). Knew then he was the real deal. Hysterical you want to nit-pick one of Ben's bad games. He's a career 64% completion sort of guy. 

    @hoorta said:

    Couple years ago, no one had heard of Carson Wentz.  

    Now I agree with you about Kizer- but that's about it. 

    Look I love the University of Wyoming. Probably second on my list to Ohio State. Been to & through Laramie at least 4 times, and have my Cowboy mug.  With all the hype, I really wanted to have a good look at Allen & hope he could be "the guy", and MHO? He's not it either. I totally agree with Ag, plain not accurate enough. 

    If you want to give him a pass because of lousy weather against Colorado State- ahem. The light came on for me that I wanted the Browns to draft Rothlisberger came during a bad weather game at Miami. The game was played in a windstorm with gusts up to 50mph, and the continuous wind probably had to be 25, if not 30 mph+. Well, Ben completed a stupid percentage  of his passes in that gale (might have been around 70%). Knew then he was the real deal. Hysterical you want to nit-pick one of Ben's bad games. He's a career 64% completion sort of guy. 

    Completion percentage against sub par defenses in the Mountain West is definitely something that should be a major red flag.  

  • If the 49rs lose today we wont have the worst record in football .......go Browns, we improve the week we dont play

  • hoortaH hoorta

    @logicisforsquares said:

    I am interested to see how the QBs shape up between now and the draft. Someone will jump to the top of the heap.

    Couple years ago, no one had heard of Carson Wentz.  

    @calfoxwc said:

    You don't get that by being inaccurate, not a good ball placement guy.

    However, admittedly, he has times when the ball sails, etc. Let's compare how tough it is to adapt to

    NO qb is perfect. No player is perfect. Btw, I couldn't find a rothrapistbooger nfl profile, so....he did play at Miami of Ohio though,

    and had a terrific cast of players around him, even when I was at Kent , Miami was a power player in the MAC.     

       I figure if rothlicksbooger had played for Wyoming, he wouldn't have done much more than Allen, who knows.

    We'll see if he wows everybody at the combine and workouts - he won't have to be running most plays to avoid sacks, etc.But the intangibles are tough to find. Kizer - doesn't have em.

    Now I agree with you about Kizer- but that's about it. 

    Look I love the University of Wyoming. Probably second on my list to Ohio State. Been to & through Laramie at least 4 times, and have my Cowboy mug.  With all the hype, I really wanted to have a good look at Allen & hope he could be "the guy", and MHO? He's not it either. I totally agree with Ag, plain not accurate enough. 

    If you want to give him a pass because of lousy weather against Colorado State- ahem. The light came on for me that I wanted the Browns to draft Rothlisberger came during a bad weather game at Miami. The game was played in a windstorm with gusts up to 50mph, and the continuous wind probably had to be 25, if not 30 mph+. Well, Ben completed a stupid percentage  of his passes in that gale (might have been around 70%). Knew then he was the real deal. Hysterical you want to nit-pick one of Ben's bad games. He's a career 64% completion sort of guy. 

    @hoorta said:

    Couple years ago, no one had heard of Carson Wentz.  

    Now I agree with you about Kizer- but that's about it. 

    Look I love the University of Wyoming. Probably second on my list to Ohio State. Been to & through Laramie at least 4 times, and have my Cowboy mug.  With all the hype, I really wanted to have a good look at Allen & hope he could be "the guy", and MHO? He's not it either. I totally agree with Ag, plain not accurate enough. 

    If you want to give him a pass because of lousy weather against Colorado State- ahem. The light came on for me that I wanted the Browns to draft Rothlisberger came during a bad weather game at Miami. The game was played in a windstorm with gusts up to 50mph, and the continuous wind probably had to be 25, if not 30 mph+. Well, Ben completed a stupid percentage  of his passes in that gale (might have been around 70%). Knew then he was the real deal. Hysterical you want to nit-pick one of Ben's bad games. He's a career 64% completion sort of guy. 

    Well, Mr. Hoorta, what we have here is a failure to communicate.

    wronglistbooger had a very good team around him at Miami. Even qb's with a terrific cast of players around them

    have bad games. As in, a qb without a terrific cast of players around him won't have the stats. I don't care about no

    stinkin stats - to me, there is a lot more to it.

  • C calfoxwc

    @hoorta said:

    Couple years ago, no one had heard of Carson Wentz.  

    Now I agree with you about Kizer- but that's about it. 

    Look I love the University of Wyoming. Probably second on my list to Ohio State. Been to & through Laramie at least 4 times, and have my Cowboy mug.  With all the hype, I really wanted to have a good look at Allen & hope he could be "the guy", and MHO? He's not it either. I totally agree with Ag, plain not accurate enough. 

    If you want to give him a pass because of lousy weather against Colorado State- ahem. The light came on for me that I wanted the Browns to draft Rothlisberger came during a bad weather game at Miami. The game was played in a windstorm with gusts up to 50mph, and the continuous wind probably had to be 25, if not 30 mph+. Well, Ben completed a stupid percentage  of his passes in that gale (might have been around 70%). Knew then he was the real deal. Hysterical you want to nit-pick one of Ben's bad games. He's a career 64% completion sort of guy. 

    Well, Mr. Hoorta, what we have here is a failure to communicate.

    wronglistbooger had a very good team around him at Miami. Even qb's with a terrific cast of players around them

    have bad games. As in, a qb without a terrific cast of players around him won't have the stats. I don't care about no

    stinkin stats - to me, there is a lot more to it.

    @calfoxwc said:

    Well, Mr. Hoorta, what we have here is a failure to communicate.

    wronglistbooger had a very good team around him at Miami. Even qb's with a terrific cast of players around them

    have bad games. As in, a qb without a terrific cast of players around him won't have the stats. I don't care about no

    stinkin stats - to me, there is a lot more to it.

    It doesn't excuse Allen from having receivers open, and throwing the ball 10' over their heads...  

  • hoortaH hoorta

    @calfoxwc said:

    Well, Mr. Hoorta, what we have here is a failure to communicate.

    wronglistbooger had a very good team around him at Miami. Even qb's with a terrific cast of players around them

    have bad games. As in, a qb without a terrific cast of players around him won't have the stats. I don't care about no

    stinkin stats - to me, there is a lot more to it.

    It doesn't excuse Allen from having receivers open, and throwing the ball 10' over their heads...  

    @hoorta said:

    It doesn't excuse Allen from having receivers open, and throwing the ball 10' over their heads...  

    very true. But as I posted, scouts notice that, and attribute it to him having to avoid the rush into the pocket and extend plays.

    I see that in the film so, I'm good with it. "Perfection" isn't one of my criteria, that's all, or I would have been a Goff fanatic.

    But, I didn't want Goff at all. He had more stats, etc etc. Wentz had more "IT". We'll just see how it goes, eh?

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  • VagitronV Vagitron

    @hoorta said:

    Nope. Browns HAVE to take best QB available. Now if they somehow land Cousins, Barkley is in play. 

    You can’t just keep drafting and ruining qb’s, a qb needs a supporting cast and frankly drafting another one so high will in my opiniOn only set the team back. You draft Barkley and take pressure off whatever quarterback is under center and if that doesn’t work out then you draft a quarterback. I personally like kizer but he was put in with an uphill battle. I don’t think Crowell is bad but he’s not scaring anyone. Barkely is a multifaceted threat with good blitz pick up. You draft Barkley and don’t look back and watch kizer improve.

    @vagitron said:

    You can’t just keep drafting and ruining qb’s, a qb needs a supporting cast and frankly drafting another one so high will in my opiniOn only set the team back. You draft Barkley and take pressure off whatever quarterback is under center and if that doesn’t work out then you draft a quarterback. I personally like kizer but he was put in with an uphill battle. I don’t think Crowell is bad but he’s not scaring anyone. Barkely is a multifaceted threat with good blitz pick up. You draft Barkley and don’t look back and watch kizer improve.

    A good QB is ten times more important than a good RB.  The risk/reward of taking a RB at #1 overall (hasn’t happened since ‘95) doesn’t make any kind of sense to any FO Let alone one driven by analytics. 

    This team is a qb away from competing. The trenches are solid on both sides, gordon Coleman njoku devalve and duke represent a good core of playmakers. The biggest problem is this team needs to grow up, but they’re getting there. This year and last year are the “growing pains” everyone was talking about when they tore everything down to the studs. These kids will learn how to win together as long as the QB question gets answered. Honestly, whatever it takes to lock down a FQB, even if the Browns spend both first rounders on QB. 

  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven

    @jiggins7919 said:

    As far as qb's, I'm close to being on the "Baker Mayfield Wagon". He's got the emotion I like, the ability to improvise, the confidence to make the throws, the ABILITY to execute, and he's someone that could breathe LIFE into our stagnant offense. 

    Let me clarify, Mayfield isn't someone you take with the FIRST pick, but I'd be fine with selecting him with our second 1st rounder. I don't care where the dang experts have him going. Mayfield looks like he'd be FUN to watch. Remember fun? 

    I imagine the same exact words were used with Johnny Manziel replacing Baker Mayfield a few years ago.

    @dutch-oven said:

    I imagine the same exact words were used with Johnny Manziel replacing Baker Mayfield a few years ago.

    Ya know I thought about that. And I realize Mayfield has that alcohol related arrest. But if we do an extensive background check and it turns out to be an isolated incident, I'm good with going with Mayfield. Our organization is obviously extremely sensitive to these type of arrests, but we can't let that prevent us from looking at everyone. 

  • jiggins7919J jiggins7919

    @dutch-oven said:

    I imagine the same exact words were used with Johnny Manziel replacing Baker Mayfield a few years ago.

    Ya know I thought about that. And I realize Mayfield has that alcohol related arrest. But if we do an extensive background check and it turns out to be an isolated incident, I'm good with going with Mayfield. Our organization is obviously extremely sensitive to these type of arrests, but we can't let that prevent us from looking at everyone. 

    @jiggins7919 said:

    Ya know I thought about that. And I realize Mayfield has that alcohol related arrest. But if we do an extensive background check and it turns out to be an isolated incident, I'm good with going with Mayfield. Our organization is obviously extremely sensitive to these type of arrests, but we can't let that prevent us from looking at everyone. 

    It may be isolated in the criminal sense. In the “is he an idiot?” sense, it’s one of a long list of incidents. 

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  • C calfoxwc

    nope. the new qb for the Browns will be Josh Allen. Hogan and Kizer can back him up.

    We passed on Wentz, big colossal mistake - Allen is the Wentz type - just draft him - he's the

    real deal.

    @calfoxwc said:

    nope. the new qb for the Browns will be Josh Allen. Hogan and Kizer can back him up.

    We passed on Wentz, big colossal mistake - Allen is the Wentz type - just draft him - he's the

    real deal.

    I saw Josh Allen twice this year and I thought he looked great.  I would certainly hope the Browns would consider him but I think they will pass on him for two reasons, 1 being their analytics do not see Josh as a first or 2nd round draft pick and 2 being he doesn't come from a big name school.  I believe the Steelers will scoop him up in the second round as a back up for Ben with the aim of having him replace Ben.  But in any case I hope you're right and the Browns come to their senses and get a real blue collar QB leader.   

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  • H Hunter33109

    @calfoxwc said:

    nope. the new qb for the Browns will be Josh Allen. Hogan and Kizer can back him up.

    We passed on Wentz, big colossal mistake - Allen is the Wentz type - just draft him - he's the

    real deal.

    I saw Josh Allen twice this year and I thought he looked great.  I would certainly hope the Browns would consider him but I think they will pass on him for two reasons, 1 being their analytics do not see Josh as a first or 2nd round draft pick and 2 being he doesn't come from a big name school.  I believe the Steelers will scoop him up in the second round as a back up for Ben with the aim of having him replace Ben.  But in any case I hope you're right and the Browns come to their senses and get a real blue collar QB leader.   

    @hunter33109 said:

    I saw Josh Allen twice this year and I thought he looked great.  I would certainly hope the Browns would consider him but I think they will pass on him for two reasons, 1 being their analytics do not see Josh as a first or 2nd round draft pick and 2 being he doesn't come from a big name school.  I believe the Steelers will scoop him up in the second round as a back up for Ben with the aim of having him replace Ben.  But in any case I hope you're right and the Browns come to their senses and get a real blue collar QB leader.   

      I figure if the Haslams don't get a football guy in there to make the major decisions on how they go about drafting

    the real football players in the draft - they will probably draft another bust.  If all sashi knows is numbers - there isn't any

    way to gage love for the game in numbers. Intangibles are missing - don't draft em. can't coach intangibles - Browns keep

    making that mistake over the years.

  • Another Allen supporter. Same message. He is not an NFL QB. He was missing wide open players this past Sat. with no pressure. Imagine the same with substantial pressure. And this is 3 games I've seen with him now (BSt. NM CSU). 10 of 20 against CSU is not an NFL QB. Take a look at the past two years (you can switch from 2017 to 2016 in this) and tell me that he is NFL material. He is not and the stats reflect exactly what I have seen in those 3 games this year. The better the team the worse he plays. 

    http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/gamelog/_/id/3918298/year/2017/josh-allen

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  • W wargograw

    @jiggins7919 said:

    Ya know I thought about that. And I realize Mayfield has that alcohol related arrest. But if we do an extensive background check and it turns out to be an isolated incident, I'm good with going with Mayfield. Our organization is obviously extremely sensitive to these type of arrests, but we can't let that prevent us from looking at everyone. 

    It may be isolated in the criminal sense. In the “is he an idiot?” sense, it’s one of a long list of incidents. 

    @wargograw said:

    It may be isolated in the criminal sense. In the “is he an idiot?” sense, it’s one of a long list of incidents. 

    Yeah, I kind of heard that too.  The more I think about it, the more I think there's almost no possible way we could risk it with our Manziel history.  If Baker turns out to be a stud and we don't draft him over our fears, I'll just explode.  We are so due for something amazing to go our way.

  • VagitronV Vagitron

    @the-gipper said:

    I don't think you have a clue.  The Browns keep drafting bad QBs.   They do nothing to "ruin" them.....they ruin themselves.  It is the bad QBs that ruin the Browns, not the other way around.

    That would be like saying that BR really has no effect on the Steelers winning or losing.

    Quarterbacks matter.  None of these QBs that you claim the Browns ruined went on to any other situation and did one bit better.  They simply proved that they were as mediocre or as bad as they were here.

    Now, I am not saying that some of these QBs were not put into bad situations....they were.  But they weren't ruined by those.  They just proved that they were not good enough to handle them.

    Ben had a great defense, solid offensive line, offensive weapons. You don’t just plunk down a rookie qb and expect fireworks and wins. Yes the browns have ruined quarterbacks, namely Tim couch. Kizer isn’t a bad qb either, he’s a rookie with nothing around him.

    @vagitron said:

    Ben had a great defense, solid offensive line, offensive weapons. You don’t just plunk down a rookie qb and expect fireworks and wins. Yes the browns have ruined quarterbacks, namely Tim couch. Kizer isn’t a bad qb either, he’s a rookie with nothing around him.

    Again, you prove you don't have a Shmucking clue...about football or about whether you have a penis or a vagina.  Couch may have been the ONLY one of this group who could have amounted to something....but he got hurt.

    But, for all the others...they just sucked. They sucked here and they sucked whereever else they went....when they DID have things around them.   

    It is too early to tell on Kizer....but the fact is Brady Quinn sucked. Charlie Frye sucked, John Manziel sucked, Brandon Weeden sucked, etc. etc. etc.

    Had any of these been a bit less sucky...the Browns may have been better over the years. They may not have been great, but they would have been better.

    BR did come in with a great defense/OL/ etc....and he later proved to be a great QB.   Which ex-Browns QB proved to be a great QB after they left here?

  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven

    @jiggins7919 said:

    As far as qb's, I'm close to being on the "Baker Mayfield Wagon". He's got the emotion I like, the ability to improvise, the confidence to make the throws, the ABILITY to execute, and he's someone that could breathe LIFE into our stagnant offense. 

    Let me clarify, Mayfield isn't someone you take with the FIRST pick, but I'd be fine with selecting him with our second 1st rounder. I don't care where the dang experts have him going. Mayfield looks like he'd be FUN to watch. Remember fun? 

    I imagine the same exact words were used with Johnny Manziel replacing Baker Mayfield a few years ago.

    @dutch-oven said:

    I imagine the same exact words were used with Johnny Manziel replacing Baker Mayfield a few years ago.

    Mayfield is JFF except with a few more inches.  Exciting college football QB.   But a Not Ready for Prime Time NFL QB.

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