"With the First Pick of the 2018 Draft, the Browns Select..."
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I will declare right now that I am out of the "preferring we draft one QB or the other" business. I was all on for MT last year, and that didn't happen. I was on for them taking Bosa the year before, and that didn't happen.
So, whatever they do, they do....and I am not going to advocate for one player or another. I see no major, major talent out there anywhere....so I am not going to worry about it.
It has become just too much the theater of the absurd.....so I am going to choose to not buy a ticket to see that show.
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Another Allen supporter. Same message. He is not an NFL QB. He was missing wide open players this past Sat. with no pressure. Imagine the same with substantial pressure. And this is 3 games I've seen with him now (BSt. NM CSU). 10 of 20 against CSU is not an NFL QB. Take a look at the past two years (you can switch from 2017 to 2016 in this) and tell me that he is NFL material. He is not and the stats reflect exactly what I have seen in those 3 games this year. The better the team the worse he plays.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/gamelog/_/id/3918298/year/2017/josh-allen
Another Allen supporter. Same message. He is not an NFL QB. He was missing wide open players this past Sat. with no pressure. Imagine the same with substantial pressure. And this is 3 games I've seen with him now (BSt. NM CSU). 10 of 20 against CSU is not an NFL QB. Take a look at the past two years (you can switch from 2017 to 2016 in this) and tell me that he is NFL material. He is not and the stats reflect exactly what I have seen in those 3 games this year. The better the team the worse he plays.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/gamelog/_/id/3918298/year/2017/josh-allen
Against Power 5 teams he's pitiful
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wait, "the better the team the worse he plays" ?
well, yeah. The better the opponent, the worse the entire offense plays regardless of how good your qb is.
stats often don't mean what people think they mean. (take a note, Sashi.)
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Another Allen supporter. Same message. He is not an NFL QB. He was missing wide open players this past Sat. with no pressure. Imagine the same with substantial pressure. And this is 3 games I've seen with him now (BSt. NM CSU). 10 of 20 against CSU is not an NFL QB. Take a look at the past two years (you can switch from 2017 to 2016 in this) and tell me that he is NFL material. He is not and the stats reflect exactly what I have seen in those 3 games this year. The better the team the worse he plays.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/gamelog/_/id/3918298/year/2017/josh-allen
Another Allen supporter. Same message. He is not an NFL QB. He was missing wide open players this past Sat. with no pressure. Imagine the same with substantial pressure. And this is 3 games I've seen with him now (BSt. NM CSU). 10 of 20 against CSU is not an NFL QB. Take a look at the past two years (you can switch from 2017 to 2016 in this) and tell me that he is NFL material. He is not and the stats reflect exactly what I have seen in those 3 games this year. The better the team the worse he plays.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/gamelog/_/id/3918298/year/2017/josh-allen
Ag, rest your case looking at those stats....Is Wyoming outgunned playing the likes of Oregon? Sure, but you can't totally suck against them either.
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Another Allen supporter. Same message. He is not an NFL QB. He was missing wide open players this past Sat. with no pressure. Imagine the same with substantial pressure. And this is 3 games I've seen with him now (BSt. NM CSU). 10 of 20 against CSU is not an NFL QB. Take a look at the past two years (you can switch from 2017 to 2016 in this) and tell me that he is NFL material. He is not and the stats reflect exactly what I have seen in those 3 games this year. The better the team the worse he plays.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/gamelog/_/id/3918298/year/2017/josh-allen
Ag, rest your case looking at those stats....Is Wyoming outgunned playing the likes of Oregon? Sure, but you can't totally suck against them either.
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Another Allen supporter. Same message. He is not an NFL QB. He was missing wide open players this past Sat. with no pressure. Imagine the same with substantial pressure. And this is 3 games I've seen with him now (BSt. NM CSU). 10 of 20 against CSU is not an NFL QB. Take a look at the past two years (you can switch from 2017 to 2016 in this) and tell me that he is NFL material. He is not and the stats reflect exactly what I have seen in those 3 games this year. The better the team the worse he plays.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/gamelog/_/id/3918298/year/2017/josh-allen
Another Allen supporter. Same message. He is not an NFL QB. He was missing wide open players this past Sat. with no pressure. Imagine the same with substantial pressure. And this is 3 games I've seen with him now (BSt. NM CSU). 10 of 20 against CSU is not an NFL QB. Take a look at the past two years (you can switch from 2017 to 2016 in this) and tell me that he is NFL material. He is not and the stats reflect exactly what I have seen in those 3 games this year. The better the team the worse he plays.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/gamelog/_/id/3918298/year/2017/josh-allen
Gosh may be we'll be lucky enough to draft another Johnny "Where's My Beer" Manziel to lead us back to sub-average
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Another Allen supporter. Same message. He is not an NFL QB. He was missing wide open players this past Sat. with no pressure. Imagine the same with substantial pressure. And this is 3 games I've seen with him now (BSt. NM CSU). 10 of 20 against CSU is not an NFL QB. Take a look at the past two years (you can switch from 2017 to 2016 in this) and tell me that he is NFL material. He is not and the stats reflect exactly what I have seen in those 3 games this year. The better the team the worse he plays.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/gamelog/_/id/3918298/year/2017/josh-allen
Gosh may be we'll be lucky enough to draft another Johnny "Where's My Beer" Manziel to lead us back to sub-average
Gosh may be we'll be lucky enough to draft another Johnny "Where's My Beer" Manziel to lead us back to sub-average
Old news. Give up yet on defending Savior Josh?
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Gosh may be we'll be lucky enough to draft another Johnny "Where's My Beer" Manziel to lead us back to sub-average
Old news. Give up yet on defending Savior Josh?
Old news. Give up yet on defending Savior Josh?
He'll be a NFL QB and will do well. He's big, strong and has an arm. His accuracy is on very good and will only improve once he adapts to NFL play. He has adapted, improved and succeeded at each level he's competed in. Intangibles such as adapting and improving are a commodity in the NFL and is a foreign concept to the Browns. The Browns' FO fixates on flash and past performance and is blind to other traits such as a QB's consistent overthrowing of receivers (which Josh Allen has demonstrated) that indicate his arm strength out paces his supporting cast. Although he is big he can move which will allow him to extend plays when the pocket breaks down. The Browns will not select him for a plethora of reasons but I believe that Josh Allen will be picked up and he will succeeded in the NFL. So I haven't given up on Josh and he's no Savior for the Browns because they'll select another with flash and no substance just like the party boy from A&M.
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Old news. Give up yet on defending Savior Josh?
He'll be a NFL QB and will do well. He's big, strong and has an arm. His accuracy is on very good and will only improve once he adapts to NFL play. He has adapted, improved and succeeded at each level he's competed in. Intangibles such as adapting and improving are a commodity in the NFL and is a foreign concept to the Browns. The Browns' FO fixates on flash and past performance and is blind to other traits such as a QB's consistent overthrowing of receivers (which Josh Allen has demonstrated) that indicate his arm strength out paces his supporting cast. Although he is big he can move which will allow him to extend plays when the pocket breaks down. The Browns will not select him for a plethora of reasons but I believe that Josh Allen will be picked up and he will succeeded in the NFL. So I haven't given up on Josh and he's no Savior for the Browns because they'll select another with flash and no substance just like the party boy from A&M.
He'll be a NFL QB and will do well. He's big, strong and has an arm. His accuracy is on very good and will only improve once he adapts to NFL play. He has adapted, improved and succeeded at each level he's competed in. Intangibles such as adapting and improving are a commodity in the NFL and is a foreign concept to the Browns. The Browns' FO fixates on flash and past performance and is blind to other traits such as a QB's consistent overthrowing of receivers (which Josh Allen has demonstrated) that indicate his arm strength out paces his supporting cast. Although he is big he can move which will allow him to extend plays when the pocket breaks down. The Browns will not select him for a plethora of reasons but I believe that Josh Allen will be picked up and he will succeeded in the NFL. So I haven't given up on Josh and he's no Savior for the Browns because they'll select another with flash and no substance just like the party boy from A&M.
I see you have chosen to ignore the stats that tell no lies about how bad he gets as the competition gets better. Just what we need, another interception machine that overthrows everything when under legitimate pressure. Can't wait for this!
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He'll be a NFL QB and will do well. He's big, strong and has an arm. His accuracy is on very good and will only improve once he adapts to NFL play. He has adapted, improved and succeeded at each level he's competed in. Intangibles such as adapting and improving are a commodity in the NFL and is a foreign concept to the Browns. The Browns' FO fixates on flash and past performance and is blind to other traits such as a QB's consistent overthrowing of receivers (which Josh Allen has demonstrated) that indicate his arm strength out paces his supporting cast. Although he is big he can move which will allow him to extend plays when the pocket breaks down. The Browns will not select him for a plethora of reasons but I believe that Josh Allen will be picked up and he will succeeded in the NFL. So I haven't given up on Josh and he's no Savior for the Browns because they'll select another with flash and no substance just like the party boy from A&M.
I see you have chosen to ignore the stats that tell no lies about how bad he gets as the competition gets better. Just what we need, another interception machine that overthrows everything when under legitimate pressure. Can't wait for this!
I see you have chosen to ignore the stats that tell no lies about how bad he gets as the competition gets better. Just what we need, another interception machine that overthrows everything when under legitimate pressure. Can't wait for this!
oh, not again. A terrific qb from a small school with no real good cast around him, plays a lot more talented, powerful team,
and the qb doesn't play better, has a worse day. Who woulda thunk that.
Seriously, that just is amusing to use that as a criticism of the young qb's skills.
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dude baker mayfield is a winner. get him and barkley. cut the cowpoop.
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dude baker mayfield is a winner. get him and barkley. cut the cowpoop.
dude baker mayfield is a winner. get him and barkley. cut the cowpoop.
And release crow. Sign a free agent WR. Draft another big Tight end. Start building the offense. We have a line, and a good structure for the D. If we can never score, we'll never be any good.
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I see you have chosen to ignore the stats that tell no lies about how bad he gets as the competition gets better. Just what we need, another interception machine that overthrows everything when under legitimate pressure. Can't wait for this!
oh, not again. A terrific qb from a small school with no real good cast around him, plays a lot more talented, powerful team,
and the qb doesn't play better, has a worse day. Who woulda thunk that.
Seriously, that just is amusing to use that as a criticism of the young qb's skills.
oh, not again. A terrific qb from a small school with no real good cast around him, plays a lot more talented, powerful team,
and the qb doesn't play better, has a worse day. Who woulda thunk that.
Seriously, that just is amusing to use that as a criticism of the young qb's skills.
Since when is Colorado State a powerhouse? FWIW college, Wentz 63% completion rate, Allen 55% I'd say that's significant Cal. Can't help you if you've fallen in love with him. I got off the love boat after seeing him play.
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oh, not again. A terrific qb from a small school with no real good cast around him, plays a lot more talented, powerful team,
and the qb doesn't play better, has a worse day. Who woulda thunk that.
Seriously, that just is amusing to use that as a criticism of the young qb's skills.
Since when is Colorado State a powerhouse? FWIW college, Wentz 63% completion rate, Allen 55% I'd say that's significant Cal. Can't help you if you've fallen in love with him. I got off the love boat after seeing him play.
Since when is Colorado State a powerhouse? FWIW college, Wentz 63% completion rate, Allen 55% I'd say that's significant Cal. Can't help you if you've fallen in love with him. I got off the love boat after seeing him play.
Colorado State is not a powerhouse. Hell Colorado isn't a powerhouse these days. The 2nd sentence is the key. 63% for Wentz, 55% for Cal's boyfriend. 55% against the minor leagues in the Mountain West isn't going to get it done. I bet Kizer was around that same 55% or so in college and guess what...he's still inaccurate.
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The way the browns pick jt barrett will be in Cleveland
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Since when is Colorado State a powerhouse? FWIW college, Wentz 63% completion rate, Allen 55% I'd say that's significant Cal. Can't help you if you've fallen in love with him. I got off the love boat after seeing him play.
Colorado State is not a powerhouse. Hell Colorado isn't a powerhouse these days. The 2nd sentence is the key. 63% for Wentz, 55% for Cal's boyfriend. 55% against the minor leagues in the Mountain West isn't going to get it done. I bet Kizer was around that same 55% or so in college and guess what...he's still inaccurate.
Colorado State is not a powerhouse. Hell Colorado isn't a powerhouse these days. The 2nd sentence is the key. 63% for Wentz, 55% for Cal's boyfriend. 55% against the minor leagues in the Mountain West isn't going to get it done. I bet Kizer was around that same 55% or so in college and guess what...he's still inaccurate.
Jake Locker was another college QB who struggled with accuracy, still got picked high, and didn't find accuracy at the highest level either.
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again - Wentz, who was my number one pick in every mock draft, and I didn't want Goff.... had a far better
team around him than Allen. And the offense was in place for a lot less time. The same hc for Wentz at N. Dakota..
is Josh Allen's hc at Wyoming. NO qb can have good stats when he doesn't have talent around him, and often the talent
is far better on the other team.
It isn't just me, either. I see greatness in the abilities of the kid, regardless of the freakin stats.
http://www.denverpost.com/2017/11/02/nick-stevens-or-josh-allen-best-mountain-west-quarterback/
"Allen, 6-foot-5 and 240 pounds, was anointed NFL draft royalty after a sophomore season in which he passed for 3,203 yards and 28 touchdowns, prompting one league executive to tell ESPN’s Adam Schefter: “You can put it in the books — Josh Allen will be the No. 1 pick in the NFL draft next year.” That’s not the consensus now; recent mock selections from CBS Sports, USA Today and Pro Football Focus don’t even have Allen being drafted in the first round. Bleacher Report, though, lists Allen at No. 6 overall.
The wide range of opinion stems from Allen’s lackluster 2017 statistics and a playing style that both befuddles and inspires. Wyoming graduated starting center Chase Roullier and four players — wide receivers Tanner Gentry and Jake Maulhardt, running back Brian Hill and tight end Jacob Hollister — who accounted for 47 touchdowns on the 2016 team. That attrition led Allen to try to play hero ball this season"
CS qb Stevens had a lot better stats, maybe mark thinks he's the superior qb.
Trouble is, he had a lot better cast of players around him:
"Stevens, meanwhile, has thrived at CSU thanks in part to a strong supporting cast that features the nation’s leading receiver in Michael Gallup (1,167 yards), an offensive line that has allowed only four sacks and tailbacks Dalyn Dawkins and Izzy Matthews, who have combined to rush for 1,438 yards and 12 touchdowns.
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oh, not again. A terrific qb from a small school with no real good cast around him, plays a lot more talented, powerful team,
and the qb doesn't play better, has a worse day. Who woulda thunk that.
Seriously, that just is amusing to use that as a criticism of the young qb's skills.
Since when is Colorado State a powerhouse? FWIW college, Wentz 63% completion rate, Allen 55% I'd say that's significant Cal. Can't help you if you've fallen in love with him. I got off the love boat after seeing him play.
Since when is Colorado State a powerhouse? FWIW college, Wentz 63% completion rate, Allen 55% I'd say that's significant Cal. Can't help you if you've fallen in love with him. I got off the love boat after seeing him play.
here is what I'm saying. Going by stats is like walking a minefield in a WWII video game. You make mistakes, surely.
I'll draft a kid like Josh Allen, or even Clayton Thorson, over Mark's superstar qb with outstanding stats in college poster on his wall..
Brady Quinn.
courtesy of Wikipedia:
Quinn accepted the offer to attend Notre Dame, where he set 36 Fighting Irish records during his four seasons with the team. There were ten career records, twelve single-season records, four single-game records and ten miscellaneous records broken by Quinn throughout those four years, including the record for career pass attempts with 1,602; completions with 929; yards-per-game with 239.6; touchdown passes with 95, and the Irish's lowest interception percentage with 2.43. Quinn won 29 games as a starter at Notre Dame, tied with Ron Powlus and Tom Clements for the most in school history.
In 2005, under Notre Dame's new head coach Charlie Weis, Quinn excelled as a starting quarterback, averaging 110 more passing yards per game than he had as a sophomore while increasing his number of touchdown passes from 17 in 2004 to 32 in 2005. Quinn was named to the 2005 AP All-America Team as a third-team quarterback[5] and the 2006 SI.com All-American Team as a second-team quarterback.[6] Quinn received the Sammy Baugh Trophy as the nation's top passer of the 2005 season.[7] At the end of the season, Notre Dame faced Ohio State in the Fiesta Bowl. Quinn had 29 completions in 45 pass attempts for 286 yards in a 34–20 loss to Ohio State.[8]
Prior to the start of the 2006 college football season, Quinn was featured in a regional cover on the August 22, 2006 issue of Sports Illustrated's 2006 College Football Preview issue along with then-teammates Tom Zbikowski and Travis Thomas with the caption "Notre Dame: The Battle For No. 1."[9] Quinn posted finished the season with 3,426 yards on 289 completions out of 467 attempts for a completion percentage of 61.9% and 7.34 yards per attempt. He threw 37 touchdowns to only 7 interceptions, and was sacked 31 times. Quinn finished the regular season with a passing efficiency rating of 146.65,[10] which ranked him 18th in the country.[11] Notre Dame invited to the 2007 Sugar Bowl on January 3, 2007, where they played LSU. Quinn was held to 148 passing yards. Quinn threw two touchdown passes, both in the first half, and LSU held Notre Dame scoreless through the second half of the game to defeat the Fighting Irish 41–14.[12]
Following the 2006 season, Quinn won several awards, including the Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Award[13] for the best college quarterback in the nation and the Maxwell Award[14] for the best college football player. .[15] He was named the Cingular All-America Player of the Year[16] and was named to the 2006 AP All-America Team as a second-team quarterback.[17] Quinn graduated from Notre Dame with dual degrees in political science and finance.[18]
Oh, look, Mark - all those great STATS !
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dude baker mayfield is a winner. get him and barkley. cut the cowpoop.
dude baker mayfield is a winner. get him and barkley. cut the cowpoop.
Find my Shmucking quote... go find it - where I said if the first words out of your mouth regarding a QB are "He's a winner, athletic, big arm, intangibles" and not "decisive, smart, accurate" then you shouldn't be drafting that QB.
You're making my point for me all over again. It's like watching the Manziel hype train. Pure Shmucking comedy.
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again - Wentz, who was my number one pick in every mock draft, and I didn't want Goff.... had a far better
team around him than Allen. And the offense was in place for a lot less time. The same hc for Wentz at N. Dakota..
is Josh Allen's hc at Wyoming. NO qb can have good stats when he doesn't have talent around him, and often the talent
is far better on the other team.
It isn't just me, either. I see greatness in the abilities of the kid, regardless of the freakin stats.
http://www.denverpost.com/2017/11/02/nick-stevens-or-josh-allen-best-mountain-west-quarterback/
"Allen, 6-foot-5 and 240 pounds, was anointed NFL draft royalty after a sophomore season in which he passed for 3,203 yards and 28 touchdowns, prompting one league executive to tell ESPN’s Adam Schefter: “You can put it in the books — Josh Allen will be the No. 1 pick in the NFL draft next year.” That’s not the consensus now; recent mock selections from CBS Sports, USA Today and Pro Football Focus don’t even have Allen being drafted in the first round. Bleacher Report, though, lists Allen at No. 6 overall.
The wide range of opinion stems from Allen’s lackluster 2017 statistics and a playing style that both befuddles and inspires. Wyoming graduated starting center Chase Roullier and four players — wide receivers Tanner Gentry and Jake Maulhardt, running back Brian Hill and tight end Jacob Hollister — who accounted for 47 touchdowns on the 2016 team. That attrition led Allen to try to play hero ball this season"
CS qb Stevens had a lot better stats, maybe mark thinks he's the superior qb.
Trouble is, he had a lot better cast of players around him:
"Stevens, meanwhile, has thrived at CSU thanks in part to a strong supporting cast that features the nation’s leading receiver in Michael Gallup (1,167 yards), an offensive line that has allowed only four sacks and tailbacks Dalyn Dawkins and Izzy Matthews, who have combined to rush for 1,438 yards and 12 touchdowns.
again - Wentz, who was my number one pick in every mock draft, and I didn't want Goff.... had a far better
team around him than Allen. And the offense was in place for a lot less time. The same hc for Wentz at N. Dakota..
is Josh Allen's hc at Wyoming. NO qb can have good stats when he doesn't have talent around him, and often the talent
is far better on the other team.
It isn't just me, either. I see greatness in the abilities of the kid, regardless of the freakin stats.
http://www.denverpost.com/2017/11/02/nick-stevens-or-josh-allen-best-mountain-west-quarterback/
"Allen, 6-foot-5 and 240 pounds, was anointed NFL draft royalty after a sophomore season in which he passed for 3,203 yards and 28 touchdowns, prompting one league executive to tell ESPN’s Adam Schefter: “You can put it in the books — Josh Allen will be the No. 1 pick in the NFL draft next year.” That’s not the consensus now; recent mock selections from CBS Sports, USA Today and Pro Football Focus don’t even have Allen being drafted in the first round. Bleacher Report, though, lists Allen at No. 6 overall.
The wide range of opinion stems from Allen’s lackluster 2017 statistics and a playing style that both befuddles and inspires. Wyoming graduated starting center Chase Roullier and four players — wide receivers Tanner Gentry and Jake Maulhardt, running back Brian Hill and tight end Jacob Hollister — who accounted for 47 touchdowns on the 2016 team. That attrition led Allen to try to play hero ball this season"
CS qb Stevens had a lot better stats, maybe mark thinks he's the superior qb.
Trouble is, he had a lot better cast of players around him:
"Stevens, meanwhile, has thrived at CSU thanks in part to a strong supporting cast that features the nation’s leading receiver in Michael Gallup (1,167 yards), an offensive line that has allowed only four sacks and tailbacks Dalyn Dawkins and Izzy Matthews, who have combined to rush for 1,438 yards and 12 touchdowns.
Sheeze, CSU's OFFENSE has nothing to do with their DEFENSE, nice try at some spin. So some crackpot blogger has Allen #1 overall? You ignoring the big bold, huh?
Sophmore season- I was all in on fail for Cardale. He still even on the Bills roster?
Kizer needs someone to make him look good.
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