"With the First Pick of the 2018 Draft, the Browns Select..."
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I don't think you have a clue. The Browns keep drafting bad QBs. They do nothing to "ruin" them.....they ruin themselves. It is the bad QBs that ruin the Browns, not the other way around.
That would be like saying that BR really has no effect on the Steelers winning or losing.
Quarterbacks matter. None of these QBs that you claim the Browns ruined went on to any other situation and did one bit better. They simply proved that they were as mediocre or as bad as they were here.
Now, I am not saying that some of these QBs were not put into bad situations....they were. But they weren't ruined by those. They just proved that they were not good enough to handle them.
Ben had a great defense, solid offensive line, offensive weapons. You don’t just plunk down a rookie qb and expect fireworks and wins. Yes the browns have ruined quarterbacks, namely Tim couch. Kizer isn’t a bad qb either, he’s a rookie with nothing around him.
Ben had a great defense, solid offensive line, offensive weapons. You don’t just plunk down a rookie qb and expect fireworks and wins. Yes the browns have ruined quarterbacks, namely Tim couch. Kizer isn’t a bad qb either, he’s a rookie with nothing around him.
Again, you prove you don't have a Shmucking clue...about football or about whether you have a penis or a vagina. Couch may have been the ONLY one of this group who could have amounted to something....but he got hurt.
But, for all the others...they just sucked. They sucked here and they sucked whereever else they went....when they DID have things around them.
It is too early to tell on Kizer....but the fact is Brady Quinn sucked. Charlie Frye sucked, John Manziel sucked, Brandon Weeden sucked, etc. etc. etc.
Had any of these been a bit less sucky...the Browns may have been better over the years. They may not have been great, but they would have been better.
BR did come in with a great defense/OL/ etc....and he later proved to be a great QB. Which ex-Browns QB proved to be a great QB after they left here?
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As far as qb's, I'm close to being on the "Baker Mayfield Wagon". He's got the emotion I like, the ability to improvise, the confidence to make the throws, the ABILITY to execute, and he's someone that could breathe LIFE into our stagnant offense.
Let me clarify, Mayfield isn't someone you take with the FIRST pick, but I'd be fine with selecting him with our second 1st rounder. I don't care where the dang experts have him going. Mayfield looks like he'd be FUN to watch. Remember fun?
I imagine the same exact words were used with Johnny Manziel replacing Baker Mayfield a few years ago.
I imagine the same exact words were used with Johnny Manziel replacing Baker Mayfield a few years ago.
Mayfield is JFF except with a few more inches. Exciting college football QB. But a Not Ready for Prime Time NFL QB.
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When Ben is not in the game the Steeler offense is worse than terrible......... even WITH that line and weapons. Bens presence makes a HUGE difference.
Tell the truth and shame the devil.
Of course it makes a difference he is one of the best in the league. However what offense in the nfl doesn’t suffer without their franchise qb? It’s kind of a moot point isn’t it? And that also wasn’t my point. My point was when Ben was a rookie he had a team around him, almost all the pieces were in place so he didn’t need to “carry the team” and damage his confidence if things went poorly.
Of course it makes a difference he is one of the best in the league. However what offense in the nfl doesn’t suffer without their franchise qb? It’s kind of a moot point isn’t it? And that also wasn’t my point. My point was when Ben was a rookie he had a team around him, almost all the pieces were in place so he didn’t need to “carry the team” and damage his confidence if things went poorly.
No, you point was that the Browns ruined QBs. That is just what you claimed. Ergo.....you are saying that all these QBs would have been good otherwise if they had not been drafted by the Browns.
Which, of course, is complete cow manure. By your theory then....if by chance BR had been drafted by the Browns....he never would have become a good QB because the Browns would have ruined....which, again, is complete and udder horse shite.
So....perhaps then what we here all should be saying is: too bad the Browns didn't draft him, so that we could have had the opportunity to ruin that turd of a human being...and to have driven him out of the league. (at least he was then)
So...then what? The Steelers would have had to take someone else? LIke Brady Quinn.....who would have become the second coming or who? Terry Bradshaw? Stupid
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nope. the new qb for the Browns will be Josh Allen. Hogan and Kizer can back him up.
We passed on Wentz, big colossal mistake - Allen is the Wentz type - just draft him - he's the
real deal.
I saw Josh Allen twice this year and I thought he looked great. I would certainly hope the Browns would consider him but I think they will pass on him for two reasons, 1 being their analytics do not see Josh as a first or 2nd round draft pick and 2 being he doesn't come from a big name school. I believe the Steelers will scoop him up in the second round as a back up for Ben with the aim of having him replace Ben. But in any case I hope you're right and the Browns come to their senses and get a real blue collar QB leader.
I saw Josh Allen twice this year and I thought he looked great. I would certainly hope the Browns would consider him but I think they will pass on him for two reasons, 1 being their analytics do not see Josh as a first or 2nd round draft pick and 2 being he doesn't come from a big name school. I believe the Steelers will scoop him up in the second round as a back up for Ben with the aim of having him replace Ben. But in any case I hope you're right and the Browns come to their senses and get a real blue collar QB leader.
He looks Native American....is he?
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I will declare right now that I am out of the "preferring we draft one QB or the other" business. I was all on for MT last year, and that didn't happen. I was on for them taking Bosa the year before, and that didn't happen.
So, whatever they do, they do....and I am not going to advocate for one player or another. I see no major, major talent out there anywhere....so I am not going to worry about it.
It has become just too much the theater of the absurd.....so I am going to choose to not buy a ticket to see that show.
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Another Allen supporter. Same message. He is not an NFL QB. He was missing wide open players this past Sat. with no pressure. Imagine the same with substantial pressure. And this is 3 games I've seen with him now (BSt. NM CSU). 10 of 20 against CSU is not an NFL QB. Take a look at the past two years (you can switch from 2017 to 2016 in this) and tell me that he is NFL material. He is not and the stats reflect exactly what I have seen in those 3 games this year. The better the team the worse he plays.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/gamelog/_/id/3918298/year/2017/josh-allen
Another Allen supporter. Same message. He is not an NFL QB. He was missing wide open players this past Sat. with no pressure. Imagine the same with substantial pressure. And this is 3 games I've seen with him now (BSt. NM CSU). 10 of 20 against CSU is not an NFL QB. Take a look at the past two years (you can switch from 2017 to 2016 in this) and tell me that he is NFL material. He is not and the stats reflect exactly what I have seen in those 3 games this year. The better the team the worse he plays.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/gamelog/_/id/3918298/year/2017/josh-allen
Against Power 5 teams he's pitiful
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wait, "the better the team the worse he plays" ?
well, yeah. The better the opponent, the worse the entire offense plays regardless of how good your qb is.
stats often don't mean what people think they mean. (take a note, Sashi.)
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Another Allen supporter. Same message. He is not an NFL QB. He was missing wide open players this past Sat. with no pressure. Imagine the same with substantial pressure. And this is 3 games I've seen with him now (BSt. NM CSU). 10 of 20 against CSU is not an NFL QB. Take a look at the past two years (you can switch from 2017 to 2016 in this) and tell me that he is NFL material. He is not and the stats reflect exactly what I have seen in those 3 games this year. The better the team the worse he plays.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/gamelog/_/id/3918298/year/2017/josh-allen
Another Allen supporter. Same message. He is not an NFL QB. He was missing wide open players this past Sat. with no pressure. Imagine the same with substantial pressure. And this is 3 games I've seen with him now (BSt. NM CSU). 10 of 20 against CSU is not an NFL QB. Take a look at the past two years (you can switch from 2017 to 2016 in this) and tell me that he is NFL material. He is not and the stats reflect exactly what I have seen in those 3 games this year. The better the team the worse he plays.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/gamelog/_/id/3918298/year/2017/josh-allen
Ag, rest your case looking at those stats....Is Wyoming outgunned playing the likes of Oregon? Sure, but you can't totally suck against them either.
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Another Allen supporter. Same message. He is not an NFL QB. He was missing wide open players this past Sat. with no pressure. Imagine the same with substantial pressure. And this is 3 games I've seen with him now (BSt. NM CSU). 10 of 20 against CSU is not an NFL QB. Take a look at the past two years (you can switch from 2017 to 2016 in this) and tell me that he is NFL material. He is not and the stats reflect exactly what I have seen in those 3 games this year. The better the team the worse he plays.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/gamelog/_/id/3918298/year/2017/josh-allen
Ag, rest your case looking at those stats....Is Wyoming outgunned playing the likes of Oregon? Sure, but you can't totally suck against them either.
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Another Allen supporter. Same message. He is not an NFL QB. He was missing wide open players this past Sat. with no pressure. Imagine the same with substantial pressure. And this is 3 games I've seen with him now (BSt. NM CSU). 10 of 20 against CSU is not an NFL QB. Take a look at the past two years (you can switch from 2017 to 2016 in this) and tell me that he is NFL material. He is not and the stats reflect exactly what I have seen in those 3 games this year. The better the team the worse he plays.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/gamelog/_/id/3918298/year/2017/josh-allen
Another Allen supporter. Same message. He is not an NFL QB. He was missing wide open players this past Sat. with no pressure. Imagine the same with substantial pressure. And this is 3 games I've seen with him now (BSt. NM CSU). 10 of 20 against CSU is not an NFL QB. Take a look at the past two years (you can switch from 2017 to 2016 in this) and tell me that he is NFL material. He is not and the stats reflect exactly what I have seen in those 3 games this year. The better the team the worse he plays.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/gamelog/_/id/3918298/year/2017/josh-allen
Gosh may be we'll be lucky enough to draft another Johnny "Where's My Beer" Manziel to lead us back to sub-average
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Another Allen supporter. Same message. He is not an NFL QB. He was missing wide open players this past Sat. with no pressure. Imagine the same with substantial pressure. And this is 3 games I've seen with him now (BSt. NM CSU). 10 of 20 against CSU is not an NFL QB. Take a look at the past two years (you can switch from 2017 to 2016 in this) and tell me that he is NFL material. He is not and the stats reflect exactly what I have seen in those 3 games this year. The better the team the worse he plays.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/gamelog/_/id/3918298/year/2017/josh-allen
Gosh may be we'll be lucky enough to draft another Johnny "Where's My Beer" Manziel to lead us back to sub-average
Gosh may be we'll be lucky enough to draft another Johnny "Where's My Beer" Manziel to lead us back to sub-average
Old news. Give up yet on defending Savior Josh?
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Gosh may be we'll be lucky enough to draft another Johnny "Where's My Beer" Manziel to lead us back to sub-average
Old news. Give up yet on defending Savior Josh?
Old news. Give up yet on defending Savior Josh?
He'll be a NFL QB and will do well. He's big, strong and has an arm. His accuracy is on very good and will only improve once he adapts to NFL play. He has adapted, improved and succeeded at each level he's competed in. Intangibles such as adapting and improving are a commodity in the NFL and is a foreign concept to the Browns. The Browns' FO fixates on flash and past performance and is blind to other traits such as a QB's consistent overthrowing of receivers (which Josh Allen has demonstrated) that indicate his arm strength out paces his supporting cast. Although he is big he can move which will allow him to extend plays when the pocket breaks down. The Browns will not select him for a plethora of reasons but I believe that Josh Allen will be picked up and he will succeeded in the NFL. So I haven't given up on Josh and he's no Savior for the Browns because they'll select another with flash and no substance just like the party boy from A&M.
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Old news. Give up yet on defending Savior Josh?
He'll be a NFL QB and will do well. He's big, strong and has an arm. His accuracy is on very good and will only improve once he adapts to NFL play. He has adapted, improved and succeeded at each level he's competed in. Intangibles such as adapting and improving are a commodity in the NFL and is a foreign concept to the Browns. The Browns' FO fixates on flash and past performance and is blind to other traits such as a QB's consistent overthrowing of receivers (which Josh Allen has demonstrated) that indicate his arm strength out paces his supporting cast. Although he is big he can move which will allow him to extend plays when the pocket breaks down. The Browns will not select him for a plethora of reasons but I believe that Josh Allen will be picked up and he will succeeded in the NFL. So I haven't given up on Josh and he's no Savior for the Browns because they'll select another with flash and no substance just like the party boy from A&M.
He'll be a NFL QB and will do well. He's big, strong and has an arm. His accuracy is on very good and will only improve once he adapts to NFL play. He has adapted, improved and succeeded at each level he's competed in. Intangibles such as adapting and improving are a commodity in the NFL and is a foreign concept to the Browns. The Browns' FO fixates on flash and past performance and is blind to other traits such as a QB's consistent overthrowing of receivers (which Josh Allen has demonstrated) that indicate his arm strength out paces his supporting cast. Although he is big he can move which will allow him to extend plays when the pocket breaks down. The Browns will not select him for a plethora of reasons but I believe that Josh Allen will be picked up and he will succeeded in the NFL. So I haven't given up on Josh and he's no Savior for the Browns because they'll select another with flash and no substance just like the party boy from A&M.
I see you have chosen to ignore the stats that tell no lies about how bad he gets as the competition gets better. Just what we need, another interception machine that overthrows everything when under legitimate pressure. Can't wait for this!
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He'll be a NFL QB and will do well. He's big, strong and has an arm. His accuracy is on very good and will only improve once he adapts to NFL play. He has adapted, improved and succeeded at each level he's competed in. Intangibles such as adapting and improving are a commodity in the NFL and is a foreign concept to the Browns. The Browns' FO fixates on flash and past performance and is blind to other traits such as a QB's consistent overthrowing of receivers (which Josh Allen has demonstrated) that indicate his arm strength out paces his supporting cast. Although he is big he can move which will allow him to extend plays when the pocket breaks down. The Browns will not select him for a plethora of reasons but I believe that Josh Allen will be picked up and he will succeeded in the NFL. So I haven't given up on Josh and he's no Savior for the Browns because they'll select another with flash and no substance just like the party boy from A&M.
I see you have chosen to ignore the stats that tell no lies about how bad he gets as the competition gets better. Just what we need, another interception machine that overthrows everything when under legitimate pressure. Can't wait for this!
I see you have chosen to ignore the stats that tell no lies about how bad he gets as the competition gets better. Just what we need, another interception machine that overthrows everything when under legitimate pressure. Can't wait for this!
oh, not again. A terrific qb from a small school with no real good cast around him, plays a lot more talented, powerful team,
and the qb doesn't play better, has a worse day. Who woulda thunk that.
Seriously, that just is amusing to use that as a criticism of the young qb's skills.
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dude baker mayfield is a winner. get him and barkley. cut the cowpoop.
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dude baker mayfield is a winner. get him and barkley. cut the cowpoop.
dude baker mayfield is a winner. get him and barkley. cut the cowpoop.
And release crow. Sign a free agent WR. Draft another big Tight end. Start building the offense. We have a line, and a good structure for the D. If we can never score, we'll never be any good.
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I see you have chosen to ignore the stats that tell no lies about how bad he gets as the competition gets better. Just what we need, another interception machine that overthrows everything when under legitimate pressure. Can't wait for this!
oh, not again. A terrific qb from a small school with no real good cast around him, plays a lot more talented, powerful team,
and the qb doesn't play better, has a worse day. Who woulda thunk that.
Seriously, that just is amusing to use that as a criticism of the young qb's skills.
oh, not again. A terrific qb from a small school with no real good cast around him, plays a lot more talented, powerful team,
and the qb doesn't play better, has a worse day. Who woulda thunk that.
Seriously, that just is amusing to use that as a criticism of the young qb's skills.
Since when is Colorado State a powerhouse? FWIW college, Wentz 63% completion rate, Allen 55% I'd say that's significant Cal. Can't help you if you've fallen in love with him. I got off the love boat after seeing him play.
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oh, not again. A terrific qb from a small school with no real good cast around him, plays a lot more talented, powerful team,
and the qb doesn't play better, has a worse day. Who woulda thunk that.
Seriously, that just is amusing to use that as a criticism of the young qb's skills.
Since when is Colorado State a powerhouse? FWIW college, Wentz 63% completion rate, Allen 55% I'd say that's significant Cal. Can't help you if you've fallen in love with him. I got off the love boat after seeing him play.
Since when is Colorado State a powerhouse? FWIW college, Wentz 63% completion rate, Allen 55% I'd say that's significant Cal. Can't help you if you've fallen in love with him. I got off the love boat after seeing him play.
Colorado State is not a powerhouse. Hell Colorado isn't a powerhouse these days. The 2nd sentence is the key. 63% for Wentz, 55% for Cal's boyfriend. 55% against the minor leagues in the Mountain West isn't going to get it done. I bet Kizer was around that same 55% or so in college and guess what...he's still inaccurate.
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The way the browns pick jt barrett will be in Cleveland
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Since when is Colorado State a powerhouse? FWIW college, Wentz 63% completion rate, Allen 55% I'd say that's significant Cal. Can't help you if you've fallen in love with him. I got off the love boat after seeing him play.
Colorado State is not a powerhouse. Hell Colorado isn't a powerhouse these days. The 2nd sentence is the key. 63% for Wentz, 55% for Cal's boyfriend. 55% against the minor leagues in the Mountain West isn't going to get it done. I bet Kizer was around that same 55% or so in college and guess what...he's still inaccurate.
Colorado State is not a powerhouse. Hell Colorado isn't a powerhouse these days. The 2nd sentence is the key. 63% for Wentz, 55% for Cal's boyfriend. 55% against the minor leagues in the Mountain West isn't going to get it done. I bet Kizer was around that same 55% or so in college and guess what...he's still inaccurate.
Jake Locker was another college QB who struggled with accuracy, still got picked high, and didn't find accuracy at the highest level either.
Kizer needs someone to make him look good.
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