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  • Our D does fine. Until the other team starts trying for real. Then it's a pile of wet tissue

  • Wonder how those defensive stats will look after getting gashed for 31 points today and what excuses will be made for the defense this week.  Can't really use they were tired because time of possesion because the Browns had a 34:30 to 25:30 edge in that stat this week so what was this weeks issue? 

    As for the, we have to keep Hue because we can't lose St. Greg Williams, wonder how much the Rams miss Williams this year?  Certainly doesn't look like they are missing him a whole lot so far this season.  But by all means...lets keep the coaches who are 0-9 and the HC who is 1-24 and 2 for his last 30 as a HC.

  • After all, it's only been December 2015 since we won on a Sunday. Stellar D!

  • Wonder how those defensive stats will look after getting gashed for 31 points today and what excuses will be made for the defense this week.  Can't really use they were tired because time of possesion because the Browns had a 34:30 to 25:30 edge in that stat this week so what was this weeks issue? 

    As for the, we have to keep Hue because we can't lose St. Greg Williams, wonder how much the Rams miss Williams this year?  Certainly doesn't look like they are missing him a whole lot so far this season.  But by all means...lets keep the coaches who are 0-9 and the HC who is 1-24 and 2 for his last 30 as a HC.

    @mark-o said:

    Wonder how those defensive stats will look after getting gashed for 31 points today and what excuses will be made for the defense this week.  Can't really use they were tired because time of possesion because the Browns had a 34:30 to 25:30 edge in that stat this week so what was this weeks issue?

    Tape shows a ton of over pursuit with some poor gap guessing on some gashing runs.(here is where Collins was missed again in huddle/field general at snap) Missing tackles came back.. mostly due to not wrapping them up. And man did we bite on a ton of Stafford's 1st vision reads.. 

  • stop telling me our defense is ranked so and so.  our overall defense SUCKS if we constantly give up 30 F'ing points a game

  • stop telling me our defense is ranked so and so.  our overall defense SUCKS if we constantly give up 30 F'ing points a game

    @soju said:

    stop telling me our defense is ranked so and so.  our overall defense SUCKS if we constantly give up 30 F'ing points a game

    And that's the bright side of this team

  • @soju said:

    stop telling me our defense is ranked so and so.  our overall defense SUCKS if we constantly give up 30 F'ing points a game

    And that's the bright side of this team

    @flyingfooldoug said:

    And that's the bright side of this team

    LOL!! (that deserved way more than just a laugh emoji) 

  • Wonder how those defensive stats will look after getting gashed for 31 points today and what excuses will be made for the defense this week.  Can't really use they were tired because time of possesion because the Browns had a 34:30 to 25:30 edge in that stat this week so what was this weeks issue? 

    As for the, we have to keep Hue because we can't lose St. Greg Williams, wonder how much the Rams miss Williams this year?  Certainly doesn't look like they are missing him a whole lot so far this season.  But by all means...lets keep the coaches who are 0-9 and the HC who is 1-24 and 2 for his last 30 as a HC.

    @mark-o said:

    As for the, we have to keep Hue because we can't lose St. Greg Williams, wonder how much the Rams miss Williams this year? 

    who knows, but they are ranked 16th in total defense which is worse than the Browns.

  • @mark-o said:

    As for the, we have to keep Hue because we can't lose St. Greg Williams, wonder how much the Rams miss Williams this year? 

    who knows, but they are ranked 16th in total defense which is worse than the Browns.

    @clevfan4life said:

    who knows, but they are ranked 16th in total defense which is worse than the Browns.

    they're 7-2 and we are 0-9 and you're amazing defense just got ass fucked for 31 points.    Who fucking cares where their defense is ranked. 

  • @clevfan4life said:

    who knows, but they are ranked 16th in total defense which is worse than the Browns.

    they're 7-2 and we are 0-9 and you're amazing defense just got ass fucked for 31 points.    Who fucking cares where their defense is ranked. 

    @mark-o said:

    they're 7-2 and we are 0-9 and you're amazing defense just got butt Shmucked for 31 points.    Who Shmucking cares where their defense is ranked. 

    they're 7-2 because their offense is good. And? what's ur point? "Maybe" a 16th ranked defense paired with what appears to be a "very" good offense can get them a deep playoff run. Why does this have to be constantly explained? I could maybe understand people's antipathy if we've had consistently decent defenses over the years. But we haven't. Infact we've had some of the historically worst defense's in recent memory. I mean we're constantly in the bottom 5. So this year we're not but omg we're still not winning games so it's fine to redo the whole thing over again? that makes no fukking sense. Some of you should stop following football you don't understand the game.

  • @mark-o said:

    they're 7-2 and we are 0-9 and you're amazing defense just got butt Shmucked for 31 points.    Who Shmucking cares where their defense is ranked. 

    they're 7-2 because their offense is good. And? what's ur point? "Maybe" a 16th ranked defense paired with what appears to be a "very" good offense can get them a deep playoff run. Why does this have to be constantly explained? I could maybe understand people's antipathy if we've had consistently decent defenses over the years. But we haven't. Infact we've had some of the historically worst defense's in recent memory. I mean we're constantly in the bottom 5. So this year we're not but omg we're still not winning games so it's fine to redo the whole thing over again? that makes no fukking sense. Some of you should stop following football you don't understand the game.

    @clevfan4life said:

    they're 7-2 because their offense is good. And? what's ur point? "Maybe" a 16th ranked defense paired with what appears to be a "very" good offense can get them a deep playoff run. Why does this have to be constantly explained?

    Because this team had a shitty offense last year and didn't do much except hire a whole new coaching staff.   Maybe our shitty offense will look better once you have someone running the offense who isn't a moron?   What is your excuse for why the defense looked like shit today?   If they're such a great defense, 24 points from the offense should be more than enough to win a game.    Guess those high rankings don't mean shit because the team is still 0-9.

  • Today the defense didn't hold up it's end of the deal. No debate. So let's go back to a 3-4. Fire Williams now before the seasons over and make sashi the new DC. I'm good with that, are you good with that mark?

  • Today the defense didn't hold up it's end of the deal. No debate. So let's go back to a 3-4. Fire Williams now before the seasons over and make sashi the new DC. I'm good with that, are you good with that mark?

    @clevfan4life said:

    Today the defense didn't hold up it's end of the deal. No debate.

    Thanks Captain Obvious.   They aren't as good as the rankings you were so proud of.  As many of us tried to tell you.  

  • @clevfan4life said:

    Today the defense didn't hold up it's end of the deal. No debate.

    Thanks Captain Obvious.   They aren't as good as the rankings you were so proud of.  As many of us tried to tell you.  

    @mark-o said:

    Thanks Captain Obvious.   They aren't as good as the rankings you were so proud of.  As many of us tried to tell you.  

    and as I explained to you earlier I knew full well they weren't. But they were absolutely improved over the defense's of the last several years. Of that there is no discussion. Massively improved.

  • @mark-o said:

    Thanks Captain Obvious.   They aren't as good as the rankings you were so proud of.  As many of us tried to tell you.  

    and as I explained to you earlier I knew full well they weren't. But they were absolutely improved over the defense's of the last several years. Of that there is no discussion. Massively improved.

    @clevfan4life said:

    and as I explained to you earlier I knew full well they weren't. But they were absolutely improved over the defense's of the last several years. Of that there is no discussion. Massively improved.

    No they are not.  Not Massively improved..not even close.   Better...slightly.  Still not all that great.   Didn't look any different today than they did any other time in the last however many seasons.  Can't get off the field.  Can't get the big stop or turnover when needed.  

  • I think you've forgotten that we've been almost dead last in all categories for years. The short term memory of the avg browns fan in full display. "aww man I wish pettine was back, now that was  real coach and our defense was totes solid when he was here". And when Pettine was here aww man our D looked soooo much better with Horton, man I can't believe he only got a year

  • because I know what I'm talking about I'm telling you the last time a Cleveland Browns defense had a solid foundation was under Jauron. We had some decent players on other defense's but it all starts up front and the last time our front 4 was serviceable was under him....until this year that is.

  • 16th ranked defense that's 28th in the league in points given up...... the only stat that matters. But who cares about points these days? After all, we're Browns fans and apparently the scoreboard doesn't really matter any more in our Bizarro World Universe. 

  • You're hung up on rankings.   You've already proven that those are totally misleading by saying the Browns defense (0-9) ranks higher than the Rams defense (7-2).    The only thing that matters is wins and losses.  This team doesn't win...like ever....so the defense is not that good.   Today being another example of them just getting their ass handed to them on defense, like has happened several other times this season.  A "good" defense doesn't have that happen in 1/2 the games of the season (Cincy, Indy, Houston, Detroit)...they're not that good.  Improved...sure.  A couple of decent players and maybe actual stars...maybe.  But they're not good.  The entire team is not good.  If they were...they'd have won a couple of games.

  • 16th ranked defense that's 28th in the league in points given up...... the only stat that matters. But who cares about points these days? After all, we're Browns fans and apparently the scoreboard doesn't really matter any more in our Bizarro World Universe. 

    @d-bone said:

    16th ranked defense that's 28th in the league in points given up...... the only stat that matters. But who cares about points these days? After all, we're Browns fans and apparently the scoreboard doesn't really matter any more in our Bizarro World Universe. 

    Only pretty stats matter and where a team is ranked in meaningless stats so sunshine pumpers can talk about the "process" and how the team is better now than it was 2 seasons ago and only idiots don't understand.