Our defense is #6 in rushing and #9 overall.
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they're 7-2 and we are 0-9 and you're amazing defense just got butt Shmucked for 31 points. Who Shmucking cares where their defense is ranked.
they're 7-2 because their offense is good. And? what's ur point? "Maybe" a 16th ranked defense paired with what appears to be a "very" good offense can get them a deep playoff run. Why does this have to be constantly explained? I could maybe understand people's antipathy if we've had consistently decent defenses over the years. But we haven't. Infact we've had some of the historically worst defense's in recent memory. I mean we're constantly in the bottom 5. So this year we're not but omg we're still not winning games so it's fine to redo the whole thing over again? that makes no fukking sense. Some of you should stop following football you don't understand the game.
they're 7-2 because their offense is good. And? what's ur point? "Maybe" a 16th ranked defense paired with what appears to be a "very" good offense can get them a deep playoff run. Why does this have to be constantly explained?
Because this team had a shitty offense last year and didn't do much except hire a whole new coaching staff. Maybe our shitty offense will look better once you have someone running the offense who isn't a moron? What is your excuse for why the defense looked like shit today? If they're such a great defense, 24 points from the offense should be more than enough to win a game. Guess those high rankings don't mean shit because the team is still 0-9.
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Today the defense didn't hold up it's end of the deal. No debate. So let's go back to a 3-4. Fire Williams now before the seasons over and make sashi the new DC. I'm good with that, are you good with that mark?
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Today the defense didn't hold up it's end of the deal. No debate. So let's go back to a 3-4. Fire Williams now before the seasons over and make sashi the new DC. I'm good with that, are you good with that mark?
Today the defense didn't hold up it's end of the deal. No debate.
Thanks Captain Obvious. They aren't as good as the rankings you were so proud of. As many of us tried to tell you.
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Today the defense didn't hold up it's end of the deal. No debate.
Thanks Captain Obvious. They aren't as good as the rankings you were so proud of. As many of us tried to tell you.
Thanks Captain Obvious. They aren't as good as the rankings you were so proud of. As many of us tried to tell you.
and as I explained to you earlier I knew full well they weren't. But they were absolutely improved over the defense's of the last several years. Of that there is no discussion. Massively improved.
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Thanks Captain Obvious. They aren't as good as the rankings you were so proud of. As many of us tried to tell you.
and as I explained to you earlier I knew full well they weren't. But they were absolutely improved over the defense's of the last several years. Of that there is no discussion. Massively improved.
and as I explained to you earlier I knew full well they weren't. But they were absolutely improved over the defense's of the last several years. Of that there is no discussion. Massively improved.
No they are not. Not Massively improved..not even close. Better...slightly. Still not all that great. Didn't look any different today than they did any other time in the last however many seasons. Can't get off the field. Can't get the big stop or turnover when needed.
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I think you've forgotten that we've been almost dead last in all categories for years. The short term memory of the avg browns fan in full display. "aww man I wish pettine was back, now that was real coach and our defense was totes solid when he was here". And when Pettine was here aww man our D looked soooo much better with Horton, man I can't believe he only got a year
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because I know what I'm talking about I'm telling you the last time a Cleveland Browns defense had a solid foundation was under Jauron. We had some decent players on other defense's but it all starts up front and the last time our front 4 was serviceable was under him....until this year that is.
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16th ranked defense that's 28th in the league in points given up...... the only stat that matters. But who cares about points these days? After all, we're Browns fans and apparently the scoreboard doesn't really matter any more in our Bizarro World Universe.
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You're hung up on rankings. You've already proven that those are totally misleading by saying the Browns defense (0-9) ranks higher than the Rams defense (7-2). The only thing that matters is wins and losses. This team doesn't win...like ever....so the defense is not that good. Today being another example of them just getting their ass handed to them on defense, like has happened several other times this season. A "good" defense doesn't have that happen in 1/2 the games of the season (Cincy, Indy, Houston, Detroit)...they're not that good. Improved...sure. A couple of decent players and maybe actual stars...maybe. But they're not good. The entire team is not good. If they were...they'd have won a couple of games.
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16th ranked defense that's 28th in the league in points given up...... the only stat that matters. But who cares about points these days? After all, we're Browns fans and apparently the scoreboard doesn't really matter any more in our Bizarro World Universe.
16th ranked defense that's 28th in the league in points given up...... the only stat that matters. But who cares about points these days? After all, we're Browns fans and apparently the scoreboard doesn't really matter any more in our Bizarro World Universe.
Only pretty stats matter and where a team is ranked in meaningless stats so sunshine pumpers can talk about the "process" and how the team is better now than it was 2 seasons ago and only idiots don't understand.
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16th ranked defense that's 28th in the league in points given up...... the only stat that matters. But who cares about points these days? After all, we're Browns fans and apparently the scoreboard doesn't really matter any more in our Bizarro World Universe.
Only pretty stats matter and where a team is ranked in meaningless stats so sunshine pumpers can talk about the "process" and how the team is better now than it was 2 seasons ago and only idiots don't understand.
Only pretty stats matter and where a team is ranked in meaningless stats so sunshine pumpers can talk about the "process" and how the team is better now than it was 2 seasons ago and only idiots don't understand.
I wonder how many Patriots fans sit around and talk about their offensive, defensive and special teams stat rankings? I'm betting they're talking about wins and Championships..... but what do I know.
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This defense gets no better with losing guys like Collins again..In 9 games we gave up 146 points in the 1st half..vs 91 points in the 2nd half..In the last 2 games both Vikings & Lions scored 21 in 2nd half..42 of the 91 scored..that's not like a Gregg Williams defense..
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
You're hung up on rankings. You've already proven that those are totally misleading by saying the Browns defense (0-9) ranks higher than the Rams defense (7-2). The only thing that matters is wins and losses. This team doesn't win...like ever....so the defense is not that good. Today being another example of them just getting their ass handed to them on defense, like has happened several other times this season. A "good" defense doesn't have that happen in 1/2 the games of the season (Cincy, Indy, Houston, Detroit)...they're not that good. Improved...sure. A couple of decent players and maybe actual stars...maybe. But they're not good. The entire team is not good. If they were...they'd have won a couple of games.
Improved...sure.
You could have just stopped right there. That's the main reason you don't let Williams go. He "improved", and in no small manner.....one of the perennially worst defense's in the NFL. Period, end of discussion. NO ONE is claiming the Browns are in the same discussion as the 85 bears so stop acting like people defending Williams are isinuating that, we're not. In one year he's made this defense "much" better, which ofc is a relative statement given that we're historically just pure utter Shiite of a defense that doesn't belong on a college field. That's the reason I bring up stats, not because they matter overall but they are a metric that shows improvement...improvement we simply cannot throw away. We let Williams go we're likely back to the bottom of the rankings because 1) a scheme change is likely because....well...just cause, it's what the browns do and 2) it'll be another assistant to the LB'er coach who'll agree to come here.
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He's an assistant coach. No way in hell am I keep coach Huey and his shitty record just so the DC doesn't leave. If the new coach doesn't want him...screw him...there's plenty of good coaches out there that will be looking for work. If Williams doesn't want to stay with the new coach...then don't let the door hit you in the ass coach... see ya..thanks for the season. The HC has to go because he's a bad coach. Another season won't make him a good coach. His record speaks for itself. 1-24..2-30. That's the bottom line in a bottom line league. 1 win and 24 losses as HC of the Browns and 2 wins and 30 losses in his last 32 as a Head Coach. Thanks Huey but piss off...you're a lousy HC.
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Improved...sure.
You could have just stopped right there. That's the main reason you don't let Williams go. He "improved", and in no small manner.....one of the perennially worst defense's in the NFL. Period, end of discussion. NO ONE is claiming the Browns are in the same discussion as the 85 bears so stop acting like people defending Williams are isinuating that, we're not. In one year he's made this defense "much" better, which ofc is a relative statement given that we're historically just pure utter Shiite of a defense that doesn't belong on a college field. That's the reason I bring up stats, not because they matter overall but they are a metric that shows improvement...improvement we simply cannot throw away. We let Williams go we're likely back to the bottom of the rankings because 1) a scheme change is likely because....well...just cause, it's what the browns do and 2) it'll be another assistant to the LB'er coach who'll agree to come here.
You could have just stopped right there. That's the main reason you don't let Williams go. He "improved", and in no small manner.....one of the perennially worst defense's in the NFL. Period, end of discussion.
While I agree that your hardcore stance of "he improved the D, so he's good coach, end of discussion, period" is technically correct, but the reality is that the improvement bar was set pretty damn low. Yes, he has improved the D when compared to what we are used to seeing 'round these parts, but that isn't saying much - if anything.
The D is still among the league's worst units in points allowed, and that stat can not be argued or rationalized as points are what the game is decided by each week. I like Greg, but in no way do I see him as a "gotta have deal breaker" in terms of what changes are coming...... At the end of the day, his defensive unit is an integral part of an 0-9 team, possible on their way to 0-16.
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its not like our defense every year over the last 5 yeas has been dead last...we've always vacillated between 'sorta bad' to 'very bad'.....the fact that for much of the year the defense has been on the 'sorta bad' end of the spectrum(but some other metrics has been worse) is hardly reason to believe that Greg Williams needs to stay.
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I really dont know what else to say here. We've spent the ladt 7-8 years under this "next up" mentality and it never works. It never will work either. Every single time one area of the team looks to be building something it gets torn up and reduced back to sht the bext year when a brand new FO and/or coaching staff roll into town.
I have zero doubt bext when we're 0-8 u clowns will be calling for mcdaniels head. Our def will be back to being amongst the worst, the scheme changes that will invariably be ill fit to our personnel will frustrate the players beyond repair and they'll all want out. And they'll talk about the organizational and fanbase dysfunction. And every year we'll see the top draft prospects making impassioned pleas to teams to trade up and take them
welcome to tje new normal. If ur upset about 1-23 u will love 2-64 with the yearly draft dodging circus. Its bever going to end. You old guys should just consign urselves to never seeing another .500+ season. This is going to be a 0-4 win team for decades.
"Decades"
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I really dont know what else to say here. We've spent the ladt 7-8 years under this "next up" mentality and it never works. It never will work either. Every single time one area of the team looks to be building something it gets torn up and reduced back to sht the bext year when a brand new FO and/or coaching staff roll into town.
I have zero doubt bext when we're 0-8 u clowns will be calling for mcdaniels head. Our def will be back to being amongst the worst, the scheme changes that will invariably be ill fit to our personnel will frustrate the players beyond repair and they'll all want out. And they'll talk about the organizational and fanbase dysfunction. And every year we'll see the top draft prospects making impassioned pleas to teams to trade up and take them
welcome to tje new normal. If ur upset about 1-23 u will love 2-64 with the yearly draft dodging circus. Its bever going to end. You old guys should just consign urselves to never seeing another .500+ season. This is going to be a 0-4 win team for decades.
"Decades"
I really dont know what else to say here. We've spent the ladt 7-8 years under this "next up" mentality and it never works. It never will work either. Every single time one area of the team looks to be building something it gets torn up and reduced back to sht the bext year when a brand new FO and/or coaching staff roll into town.
I have zero doubt bext when we're 0-8 u clowns will be calling for mcdaniels head. Our def will be back to being amongst the worst, the scheme changes that will invariably be ill fit to our personnel will frustrate the players beyond repair and they'll all want out. And they'll talk about the organizational and fanbase dysfunction. And every year we'll see the top draft prospects making impassioned pleas to teams to trade up and take them
welcome to tje new normal. If ur upset about 1-23 u will love 2-64 with the yearly draft dodging circus. Its bever going to end. You old guys should just consign urselves to never seeing another .500+ season. This is going to be a 0-4 win team for decades.
"Decades"
Sure...because us "old guys" can see a head coach who is in over his head and not doing a good job. Yet you want to keep him because you're afraid of losing the defensive coordinator of a 0-9 team who's supposedly improved defense has been totally gashed in 4 of the 9 games and that is not counting the gashing they took in the 2nd half against the Vikings. Why is the defense suddenly going to get worse with essentially the same players and just a different coach? Again..how did that work out for the Rams defense? How much do you think they miss Williams this year? I'd be willing to bet a lot that they don't miss him much. Winning games will do that. Maybe someday the Browns will actually win games instead of having some nice stats so we aren't talking about the coordinators.
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