Tashaun Gipson Hopes to "Hang 40" on Browns
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Gipson was a UDFA who played decently well for the Browns and got a big contract somewhere else.
He wasn't then and isn't now worth half that contract. Let someone else overpay.
He's no better than the guys we have at safety now.
He's no better than the guys we have at safety now.
I hope you didn't type that with a straight face.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/tashaun-gipson/7288
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He's no better than the guys we have at safety now.
I hope you didn't type that with a straight face.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/tashaun-gipson/7288
I hope you didn't type that with a straight face. https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/tashaun-gipson/7288
Doesn't exactly hurt Gip and his 82.5 to be playing next to Barry Church (84.9) does it? Not to mention between Ramsey (90.7) and Bouye (88.7)... and their DL and LBs...
FYI... Kindred grades out at 78.5... a/k/a in the ball park.
Peppers? In the parking lot... but we all know he's playing out of position out of necessity.
Then there's McCourty who bests the lot of them at 92.5. BBC? Very respectable 83.0.
Taylor? Parking lot as well... but closer to the stadium.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Sashi let him walk after being promoted from lawyer to beyond his competence level.
But...why? Was it just over a bit of money?
How much is Jax paying him?
He fit the profile of the kind of guy they would want. He was still very young.
Or was it just that he "wasn't our guy"......and/or over a piddling amount of money?
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probably) sashi wanted to lowball him, draft someone else on the cheap, or get a couple UDFA
Wrong again.
Well then...what do you say is right?
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I will tell you the bigger issue, why isn't it we who get to talk trash about the steals we got from other teams? Or, are we actually successful at that but just don't see it clearly?
I gotta be honest with you, I have pretty much had my feel of fukckers blasting every damn thing about the Browns that could possibly be blasted. As if any of these caulk-suckers have the goose that laid the golden egg when it comes to building a football team.
I will tell you the bigger issue, why isn't it we who get to talk trash about the steals we got from other teams? Or, are we actually successful at that but just don't see it clearly?
I gotta be honest with you, I have pretty much had my feel of fukckers blasting every damn thing about the Browns that could possibly be blasted. As if any of these caulk-suckers have the goose that laid the golden egg when it comes to building a football team.
Well, we kind of had that with Jamie Collins....but he can't stay on the field. Browns also got Tretter and Zeitler.
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I hope you didn't type that with a straight face. https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/tashaun-gipson/7288
Doesn't exactly hurt Gip and his 82.5 to be playing next to Barry Church (84.9) does it? Not to mention between Ramsey (90.7) and Bouye (88.7)... and their DL and LBs...
FYI... Kindred grades out at 78.5... a/k/a in the ball park.
Peppers? In the parking lot... but we all know he's playing out of position out of necessity.
Then there's McCourty who bests the lot of them at 92.5. BBC? Very respectable 83.0.
Taylor? Parking lot as well... but closer to the stadium.
Doesn't exactly hurt Gip and his 82.5 to be playing next to Barry Church (84.9) does it? Not to mention between Ramsey (90.7) and Bouye (88.7)... and their DL and LBs...
FYI... Kindred grades out at 78.5... a/k/a in the ball park.
Peppers? In the parking lot... but we all know he's playing out of position out of necessity.
Then there's McCourty who bests the lot of them at 92.5. BBC? Very respectable 83.0.
Taylor? Parking lot as well... but closer to the stadium.
The claim was Gipson is no better than what is currently on the Browns roster which is silly.
BTW, Kindred is a SS while Gip is a FS. So it's not really an apples to apples comparison.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
So y'all would have Jimmy stay incredibly under the cap and make more money instead of keeping a decent FS? Jesus. Dude was young and good, Sashi Brown's job is to make Jimmy a team to win for as cheap as possible, which is why we didn't resign him. It doesn't differ much from letting T.J. Ward go without even offering anything. We continue to develop players and then let them play somewhere else. Like Mudfly said awhile back, We cut a bunch of vets and people who were skilled and replaced them with basically infants who are inept. Sure, some of them will be decent, but will we ever get a playoff team without spending the Cap? And please don't say we're going to spend a lot of Cap this offseason and we've been waiting for the third offseason, because until we do it I don't believe it. In fact, I bet we'd let Josh Gordon walk even if he has a great end of the season just to save Jimmy money.
A large deal of the process has to do with saving JIMMY MONEY, if you want to argue against that, show me the proof.
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So y'all would have Jimmy stay incredibly under the cap and make more money instead of keeping a decent FS? Jesus. Dude was young and good, Sashi Brown's job is to make Jimmy a team to win for as cheap as possible, which is why we didn't resign him. It doesn't differ much from letting T.J. Ward go without even offering anything. We continue to develop players and then let them play somewhere else. Like Mudfly said awhile back, We cut a bunch of vets and people who were skilled and replaced them with basically infants who are inept. Sure, some of them will be decent, but will we ever get a playoff team without spending the Cap? And please don't say we're going to spend a lot of Cap this offseason and we've been waiting for the third offseason, because until we do it I don't believe it. In fact, I bet we'd let Josh Gordon walk even if he has a great end of the season just to save Jimmy money.
A large deal of the process has to do with saving JIMMY MONEY, if you want to argue against that, show me the proof.
So y'all would have Jimmy stay incredibly under the cap and make more money instead of keeping a decent FS? Jesus. Dude was young and good, Sashi Brown's job is to make Jimmy a team to win for as cheap as possible, which is why we didn't resign him. It doesn't differ much from letting T.J. Ward go without even offering anything. We continue to develop players and then let them play somewhere else. Like Mudfly said awhile back, We cut a bunch of vets and people who were skilled and replaced them with basically infants who are inept. Sure, some of them will be decent, but will we ever get a playoff team without spending the Cap? And please don't say we're going to spend a lot of Cap this offseason and we've been waiting for the third offseason, because until we do it I don't believe it. In fact, I bet we'd let Josh Gordon walk even if he has a great end of the season just to save Jimmy money.
A large deal of the process has to do with saving JIMMY MONEY, if you want to argue against that, show me the proof.
Where has Mudfly been...haven't seen him in about a month.
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So y'all would have Jimmy stay incredibly under the cap and make more money instead of keeping a decent FS? Jesus. Dude was young and good, Sashi Brown's job is to make Jimmy a team to win for as cheap as possible, which is why we didn't resign him. It doesn't differ much from letting T.J. Ward go without even offering anything. We continue to develop players and then let them play somewhere else. Like Mudfly said awhile back, We cut a bunch of vets and people who were skilled and replaced them with basically infants who are inept. Sure, some of them will be decent, but will we ever get a playoff team without spending the Cap? And please don't say we're going to spend a lot of Cap this offseason and we've been waiting for the third offseason, because until we do it I don't believe it. In fact, I bet we'd let Josh Gordon walk even if he has a great end of the season just to save Jimmy money.
A large deal of the process has to do with saving JIMMY MONEY, if you want to argue against that, show me the proof.
So y'all would have Jimmy stay incredibly under the cap and make more money instead of keeping a decent FS? Jesus. Dude was young and good, Sashi Brown's job is to make Jimmy a team to win for as cheap as possible, which is why we didn't resign him. It doesn't differ much from letting T.J. Ward go without even offering anything. We continue to develop players and then let them play somewhere else. Like Mudfly said awhile back, We cut a bunch of vets and people who were skilled and replaced them with basically infants who are inept. Sure, some of them will be decent, but will we ever get a playoff team without spending the Cap? And please don't say we're going to spend a lot of Cap this offseason and we've been waiting for the third offseason, because until we do it I don't believe it. In fact, I bet we'd let Josh Gordon walk even if he has a great end of the season just to save Jimmy money.
A large deal of the process has to do with saving JIMMY MONEY, if you want to argue against that, show me the proof.
THIS is the single issue that annoys me (and Mudfly) the most.
Its difficult enough to draft a good or even competent player, and when we do, they hit the end of their rookie contract and walk.
It boils down to the almighty dollar, the Browns are proving to be one of the cheapest organizations in the NFL...and it shows on the field.
/rant
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
1) No cherrypicking. Either PFF grades are used to evaluate EVERYBODY AND EVERYTHING - or they're never used anywhere. Yes, this does include the overall evaluation of FO.
2) Even with PFF grades being used, the question isn't simply raw grade -- the question is the ratio of (dollars spent/performance).. eg, the marginal cost per point of skill.
"When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
1) No cherrypicking. Either PFF grades are used to evaluate EVERYBODY AND EVERYTHING - or they're never used anywhere. Yes, this does include the overall evaluation of FO.
2) Even with PFF grades being used, the question isn't simply raw grade -- the question is the ratio of (dollars spent/performance).. eg, the marginal cost per point of skill.
1) No cherrypicking. Either PFF grades are used to evaluate EVERYBODY AND EVERYTHING - or they're never used anywhere.
2) Even with PFF grades being used, the question isn't simply raw grade -- the question is the ratio of (dollars spent/performance).. eg, the marginal cost per point of skill.
I have better metric than PFF...it’s 1-24.
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Keep trolling!
"When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
So y'all would have Jimmy stay incredibly under the cap and make more money instead of keeping a decent FS? Jesus. Dude was young and good, Sashi Brown's job is to make Jimmy a team to win for as cheap as possible, which is why we didn't resign him. It doesn't differ much from letting T.J. Ward go without even offering anything. We continue to develop players and then let them play somewhere else. Like Mudfly said awhile back, We cut a bunch of vets and people who were skilled and replaced them with basically infants who are inept. Sure, some of them will be decent, but will we ever get a playoff team without spending the Cap? And please don't say we're going to spend a lot of Cap this offseason and we've been waiting for the third offseason, because until we do it I don't believe it. In fact, I bet we'd let Josh Gordon walk even if he has a great end of the season just to save Jimmy money.
A large deal of the process has to do with saving JIMMY MONEY, if you want to argue against that, show me the proof.
THIS is the single issue that annoys me (and Mudfly) the most.
Its difficult enough to draft a good or even competent player, and when we do, they hit the end of their rookie contract and walk.
It boils down to the almighty dollar, the Browns are proving to be one of the cheapest organizations in the NFL...and it shows on the field.
/rant
THIS is the single issue that annoys me (and Mudfly) the most.
Its difficult enough to draft a good or even competent player, and when we do, they hit the end of their rookie contract and walk.
It boils down to the almighty dollar, the Browns are proving to be one of the cheapest organizations in the NFL...and it shows on the field.
/rant
definitely bro. I'm down with the process and the rebuilding, but at some point we have to bring FA talent here. Would we bring a Kirk Cousins, Julio Jones, or any big offensive playmakers here. I'm not talking WR2's but Kenny Britt, but hell even Jarvis Landry would be nice. It would be nice to see the Browns load up on depth and get some WR's that aren't UDFA's or late round picks.
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Keep trolling!
Keep trolling!
Keep spouting nonsense.
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1) No cherrypicking. Either PFF grades are used to evaluate EVERYBODY AND EVERYTHING - or they're never used anywhere. Yes, this does include the overall evaluation of FO.
2) Even with PFF grades being used, the question isn't simply raw grade -- the question is the ratio of (dollars spent/performance).. eg, the marginal cost per point of skill.
1) No cherrypicking. Either PFF grades are used to evaluate EVERYBODY AND EVERYTHING - or they're never used anywhere. Yes, this does include the overall evaluation of FO.
2) Even with PFF grades being used, the question isn't simply raw grade -- the question is the ratio of (dollars spent/performance).. eg, the marginal cost per point of skill.
spending more money usually results in getting better players. or you can keep ricardo louis and bryce treggs and go 1-24.
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1) No cherrypicking. Either PFF grades are used to evaluate EVERYBODY AND EVERYTHING - or they're never used anywhere. Yes, this does include the overall evaluation of FO.
2) Even with PFF grades being used, the question isn't simply raw grade -- the question is the ratio of (dollars spent/performance).. eg, the marginal cost per point of skill.
spending more money usually results in getting better players. or you can keep ricardo louis and bryce treggs and go 1-24.
spending more money usually results in getting better players. or you can keep ricardo louis and bryce treggs and go 1-24.
Yep, notice how we went from a 3-5 wins a season to the debacle we have now?
I guess you get what you pay for...freakin sad.
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I think many of us weren't happy when they let him walk. I wasn't happy when they TJ Ward go either. 1 outta 2 ain't bad.
When TJ left then Gipson. It was over. Whitner wasn't much of a replacement.
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So y'all would have Jimmy stay incredibly under the cap and make more money instead of keeping a decent FS? Jesus. Dude was young and good, Sashi Brown's job is to make Jimmy a team to win for as cheap as possible, which is why we didn't resign him. It doesn't differ much from letting T.J. Ward go without even offering anything. We continue to develop players and then let them play somewhere else. Like Mudfly said awhile back, We cut a bunch of vets and people who were skilled and replaced them with basically infants who are inept. Sure, some of them will be decent, but will we ever get a playoff team without spending the Cap? And please don't say we're going to spend a lot of Cap this offseason and we've been waiting for the third offseason, because until we do it I don't believe it. In fact, I bet we'd let Josh Gordon walk even if he has a great end of the season just to save Jimmy money.
A large deal of the process has to do with saving JIMMY MONEY, if you want to argue against that, show me the proof.
So y'all would have Jimmy stay incredibly under the cap and make more money instead of keeping a decent FS? Jesus. Dude was young and good, Sashi Brown's job is to make Jimmy a team to win for as cheap as possible, which is why we didn't resign him. It doesn't differ much from letting T.J. Ward go without even offering anything. We continue to develop players and then let them play somewhere else. Like Mudfly said awhile back, We cut a bunch of vets and people who were skilled and replaced them with basically infants who are inept. Sure, some of them will be decent, but will we ever get a playoff team without spending the Cap? And please don't say we're going to spend a lot of Cap this offseason and we've been waiting for the third offseason, because until we do it I don't believe it. In fact, I bet we'd let Josh Gordon walk even if he has a great end of the season just to save Jimmy money.
A large deal of the process has to do with saving JIMMY MONEY, if you want to argue against that, show me the proof.
This business of provide a winner as cheaply as possible is truly bullschidt. I think FIRST you provide a winner................THEN work on your economy. Where was it stated that Sashi's job is to provide a winner as cheaply as possible? That's just a screwed up concept. If that premise is true, then Sashi can never be called into question or fired because as long as he is way under the cap he can say '"being under the cap is part of my job responsibility".
I have to be honest with you, the entire culture of this team is way off the scale fahking weird. We talk about schidt that not one of the other 31 teams talk about. They talk about TDs, wins, playoffs, and we talk about theoretical, euphemistic bullschidt that you have to believe on face value because there are no statistics of numbers to support it. " Oh, the team isn't winning, but that isn't what we are doing here, you have to see deeper to understand that while we look like schidt.......there is a lot going on.
Sorry man, but it's horse schidt.
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Sashi let him walk after being promoted from lawyer to beyond his competence level.
But...why? Was it just over a bit of money?
How much is Jax paying him?
He fit the profile of the kind of guy they would want. He was still very young.
Or was it just that he "wasn't our guy"......and/or over a piddling amount of money?
But...why? Was it just over a bit of money?
How much is Jax paying him?
He fit the profile of the kind of guy they would want. He was still very young.
Or was it just that he "wasn't our guy"......and/or over a piddling amount of money?
It's hard to pin down the exact reason from where we're sitting.
I think it was many factors at that point in time. 1) Gipson was gimpy at the time. 2) He wanted money because he was a pro bowler. 3) The new regime (FO & coaches) had no history with him. 4) The FO was kind of Socky. Know it alls that figured, "We sucked with you. How much worse could we possibly be without you?" - That is a sentiment that I heard on another board....and I immediately fired back that, "It could DEFINITELY be worse!"
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