Tashaun Gipson Hopes to "Hang 40" on Browns
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So y'all would have Jimmy stay incredibly under the cap and make more money instead of keeping a decent FS? Jesus. Dude was young and good, Sashi Brown's job is to make Jimmy a team to win for as cheap as possible, which is why we didn't resign him. It doesn't differ much from letting T.J. Ward go without even offering anything. We continue to develop players and then let them play somewhere else. Like Mudfly said awhile back, We cut a bunch of vets and people who were skilled and replaced them with basically infants who are inept. Sure, some of them will be decent, but will we ever get a playoff team without spending the Cap? And please don't say we're going to spend a lot of Cap this offseason and we've been waiting for the third offseason, because until we do it I don't believe it. In fact, I bet we'd let Josh Gordon walk even if he has a great end of the season just to save Jimmy money.
A large deal of the process has to do with saving JIMMY MONEY, if you want to argue against that, show me the proof.
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So y'all would have Jimmy stay incredibly under the cap and make more money instead of keeping a decent FS? Jesus. Dude was young and good, Sashi Brown's job is to make Jimmy a team to win for as cheap as possible, which is why we didn't resign him. It doesn't differ much from letting T.J. Ward go without even offering anything. We continue to develop players and then let them play somewhere else. Like Mudfly said awhile back, We cut a bunch of vets and people who were skilled and replaced them with basically infants who are inept. Sure, some of them will be decent, but will we ever get a playoff team without spending the Cap? And please don't say we're going to spend a lot of Cap this offseason and we've been waiting for the third offseason, because until we do it I don't believe it. In fact, I bet we'd let Josh Gordon walk even if he has a great end of the season just to save Jimmy money.
A large deal of the process has to do with saving JIMMY MONEY, if you want to argue against that, show me the proof.
So y'all would have Jimmy stay incredibly under the cap and make more money instead of keeping a decent FS? Jesus. Dude was young and good, Sashi Brown's job is to make Jimmy a team to win for as cheap as possible, which is why we didn't resign him. It doesn't differ much from letting T.J. Ward go without even offering anything. We continue to develop players and then let them play somewhere else. Like Mudfly said awhile back, We cut a bunch of vets and people who were skilled and replaced them with basically infants who are inept. Sure, some of them will be decent, but will we ever get a playoff team without spending the Cap? And please don't say we're going to spend a lot of Cap this offseason and we've been waiting for the third offseason, because until we do it I don't believe it. In fact, I bet we'd let Josh Gordon walk even if he has a great end of the season just to save Jimmy money.
A large deal of the process has to do with saving JIMMY MONEY, if you want to argue against that, show me the proof.
Where has Mudfly been...haven't seen him in about a month.
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So y'all would have Jimmy stay incredibly under the cap and make more money instead of keeping a decent FS? Jesus. Dude was young and good, Sashi Brown's job is to make Jimmy a team to win for as cheap as possible, which is why we didn't resign him. It doesn't differ much from letting T.J. Ward go without even offering anything. We continue to develop players and then let them play somewhere else. Like Mudfly said awhile back, We cut a bunch of vets and people who were skilled and replaced them with basically infants who are inept. Sure, some of them will be decent, but will we ever get a playoff team without spending the Cap? And please don't say we're going to spend a lot of Cap this offseason and we've been waiting for the third offseason, because until we do it I don't believe it. In fact, I bet we'd let Josh Gordon walk even if he has a great end of the season just to save Jimmy money.
A large deal of the process has to do with saving JIMMY MONEY, if you want to argue against that, show me the proof.
So y'all would have Jimmy stay incredibly under the cap and make more money instead of keeping a decent FS? Jesus. Dude was young and good, Sashi Brown's job is to make Jimmy a team to win for as cheap as possible, which is why we didn't resign him. It doesn't differ much from letting T.J. Ward go without even offering anything. We continue to develop players and then let them play somewhere else. Like Mudfly said awhile back, We cut a bunch of vets and people who were skilled and replaced them with basically infants who are inept. Sure, some of them will be decent, but will we ever get a playoff team without spending the Cap? And please don't say we're going to spend a lot of Cap this offseason and we've been waiting for the third offseason, because until we do it I don't believe it. In fact, I bet we'd let Josh Gordon walk even if he has a great end of the season just to save Jimmy money.
A large deal of the process has to do with saving JIMMY MONEY, if you want to argue against that, show me the proof.
THIS is the single issue that annoys me (and Mudfly) the most.
Its difficult enough to draft a good or even competent player, and when we do, they hit the end of their rookie contract and walk.
It boils down to the almighty dollar, the Browns are proving to be one of the cheapest organizations in the NFL...and it shows on the field.
/rant
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
1) No cherrypicking. Either PFF grades are used to evaluate EVERYBODY AND EVERYTHING - or they're never used anywhere. Yes, this does include the overall evaluation of FO.
2) Even with PFF grades being used, the question isn't simply raw grade -- the question is the ratio of (dollars spent/performance).. eg, the marginal cost per point of skill.
"When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
1) No cherrypicking. Either PFF grades are used to evaluate EVERYBODY AND EVERYTHING - or they're never used anywhere. Yes, this does include the overall evaluation of FO.
2) Even with PFF grades being used, the question isn't simply raw grade -- the question is the ratio of (dollars spent/performance).. eg, the marginal cost per point of skill.
1) No cherrypicking. Either PFF grades are used to evaluate EVERYBODY AND EVERYTHING - or they're never used anywhere.
2) Even with PFF grades being used, the question isn't simply raw grade -- the question is the ratio of (dollars spent/performance).. eg, the marginal cost per point of skill.
I have better metric than PFF...it’s 1-24.
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Keep trolling!
"When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
So y'all would have Jimmy stay incredibly under the cap and make more money instead of keeping a decent FS? Jesus. Dude was young and good, Sashi Brown's job is to make Jimmy a team to win for as cheap as possible, which is why we didn't resign him. It doesn't differ much from letting T.J. Ward go without even offering anything. We continue to develop players and then let them play somewhere else. Like Mudfly said awhile back, We cut a bunch of vets and people who were skilled and replaced them with basically infants who are inept. Sure, some of them will be decent, but will we ever get a playoff team without spending the Cap? And please don't say we're going to spend a lot of Cap this offseason and we've been waiting for the third offseason, because until we do it I don't believe it. In fact, I bet we'd let Josh Gordon walk even if he has a great end of the season just to save Jimmy money.
A large deal of the process has to do with saving JIMMY MONEY, if you want to argue against that, show me the proof.
THIS is the single issue that annoys me (and Mudfly) the most.
Its difficult enough to draft a good or even competent player, and when we do, they hit the end of their rookie contract and walk.
It boils down to the almighty dollar, the Browns are proving to be one of the cheapest organizations in the NFL...and it shows on the field.
/rant
THIS is the single issue that annoys me (and Mudfly) the most.
Its difficult enough to draft a good or even competent player, and when we do, they hit the end of their rookie contract and walk.
It boils down to the almighty dollar, the Browns are proving to be one of the cheapest organizations in the NFL...and it shows on the field.
/rant
definitely bro. I'm down with the process and the rebuilding, but at some point we have to bring FA talent here. Would we bring a Kirk Cousins, Julio Jones, or any big offensive playmakers here. I'm not talking WR2's but Kenny Britt, but hell even Jarvis Landry would be nice. It would be nice to see the Browns load up on depth and get some WR's that aren't UDFA's or late round picks.
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Keep trolling!
Keep trolling!
Keep spouting nonsense.
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1) No cherrypicking. Either PFF grades are used to evaluate EVERYBODY AND EVERYTHING - or they're never used anywhere. Yes, this does include the overall evaluation of FO.
2) Even with PFF grades being used, the question isn't simply raw grade -- the question is the ratio of (dollars spent/performance).. eg, the marginal cost per point of skill.
1) No cherrypicking. Either PFF grades are used to evaluate EVERYBODY AND EVERYTHING - or they're never used anywhere. Yes, this does include the overall evaluation of FO.
2) Even with PFF grades being used, the question isn't simply raw grade -- the question is the ratio of (dollars spent/performance).. eg, the marginal cost per point of skill.
spending more money usually results in getting better players. or you can keep ricardo louis and bryce treggs and go 1-24.
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1) No cherrypicking. Either PFF grades are used to evaluate EVERYBODY AND EVERYTHING - or they're never used anywhere. Yes, this does include the overall evaluation of FO.
2) Even with PFF grades being used, the question isn't simply raw grade -- the question is the ratio of (dollars spent/performance).. eg, the marginal cost per point of skill.
spending more money usually results in getting better players. or you can keep ricardo louis and bryce treggs and go 1-24.
spending more money usually results in getting better players. or you can keep ricardo louis and bryce treggs and go 1-24.
Yep, notice how we went from a 3-5 wins a season to the debacle we have now?
I guess you get what you pay for...freakin sad.
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I think many of us weren't happy when they let him walk. I wasn't happy when they TJ Ward go either. 1 outta 2 ain't bad.
When TJ left then Gipson. It was over. Whitner wasn't much of a replacement.
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So y'all would have Jimmy stay incredibly under the cap and make more money instead of keeping a decent FS? Jesus. Dude was young and good, Sashi Brown's job is to make Jimmy a team to win for as cheap as possible, which is why we didn't resign him. It doesn't differ much from letting T.J. Ward go without even offering anything. We continue to develop players and then let them play somewhere else. Like Mudfly said awhile back, We cut a bunch of vets and people who were skilled and replaced them with basically infants who are inept. Sure, some of them will be decent, but will we ever get a playoff team without spending the Cap? And please don't say we're going to spend a lot of Cap this offseason and we've been waiting for the third offseason, because until we do it I don't believe it. In fact, I bet we'd let Josh Gordon walk even if he has a great end of the season just to save Jimmy money.
A large deal of the process has to do with saving JIMMY MONEY, if you want to argue against that, show me the proof.
So y'all would have Jimmy stay incredibly under the cap and make more money instead of keeping a decent FS? Jesus. Dude was young and good, Sashi Brown's job is to make Jimmy a team to win for as cheap as possible, which is why we didn't resign him. It doesn't differ much from letting T.J. Ward go without even offering anything. We continue to develop players and then let them play somewhere else. Like Mudfly said awhile back, We cut a bunch of vets and people who were skilled and replaced them with basically infants who are inept. Sure, some of them will be decent, but will we ever get a playoff team without spending the Cap? And please don't say we're going to spend a lot of Cap this offseason and we've been waiting for the third offseason, because until we do it I don't believe it. In fact, I bet we'd let Josh Gordon walk even if he has a great end of the season just to save Jimmy money.
A large deal of the process has to do with saving JIMMY MONEY, if you want to argue against that, show me the proof.
This business of provide a winner as cheaply as possible is truly bullschidt. I think FIRST you provide a winner................THEN work on your economy. Where was it stated that Sashi's job is to provide a winner as cheaply as possible? That's just a screwed up concept. If that premise is true, then Sashi can never be called into question or fired because as long as he is way under the cap he can say '"being under the cap is part of my job responsibility".
I have to be honest with you, the entire culture of this team is way off the scale fahking weird. We talk about schidt that not one of the other 31 teams talk about. They talk about TDs, wins, playoffs, and we talk about theoretical, euphemistic bullschidt that you have to believe on face value because there are no statistics of numbers to support it. " Oh, the team isn't winning, but that isn't what we are doing here, you have to see deeper to understand that while we look like schidt.......there is a lot going on.
Sorry man, but it's horse schidt.
The Cleveland Browns have the hardest hit players in the NFL -
Sashi let him walk after being promoted from lawyer to beyond his competence level.
But...why? Was it just over a bit of money?
How much is Jax paying him?
He fit the profile of the kind of guy they would want. He was still very young.
Or was it just that he "wasn't our guy"......and/or over a piddling amount of money?
But...why? Was it just over a bit of money?
How much is Jax paying him?
He fit the profile of the kind of guy they would want. He was still very young.
Or was it just that he "wasn't our guy"......and/or over a piddling amount of money?
It's hard to pin down the exact reason from where we're sitting.
I think it was many factors at that point in time. 1) Gipson was gimpy at the time. 2) He wanted money because he was a pro bowler. 3) The new regime (FO & coaches) had no history with him. 4) The FO was kind of Socky. Know it alls that figured, "We sucked with you. How much worse could we possibly be without you?" - That is a sentiment that I heard on another board....and I immediately fired back that, "It could DEFINITELY be worse!"
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While I agree with Gipson on his take of the Browns FO, I hope the Browns lay a fukkin beat down on the Jags.
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So y'all would have Jimmy stay incredibly under the cap and make more money instead of keeping a decent FS? Jesus. Dude was young and good, Sashi Brown's job is to make Jimmy a team to win for as cheap as possible, which is why we didn't resign him. It doesn't differ much from letting T.J. Ward go without even offering anything. We continue to develop players and then let them play somewhere else. Like Mudfly said awhile back, We cut a bunch of vets and people who were skilled and replaced them with basically infants who are inept. Sure, some of them will be decent, but will we ever get a playoff team without spending the Cap? And please don't say we're going to spend a lot of Cap this offseason and we've been waiting for the third offseason, because until we do it I don't believe it. In fact, I bet we'd let Josh Gordon walk even if he has a great end of the season just to save Jimmy money.
A large deal of the process has to do with saving JIMMY MONEY, if you want to argue against that, show me the proof.
This business of provide a winner as cheaply as possible is truly bullschidt. I think FIRST you provide a winner................THEN work on your economy. Where was it stated that Sashi's job is to provide a winner as cheaply as possible? That's just a screwed up concept. If that premise is true, then Sashi can never be called into question or fired because as long as he is way under the cap he can say '"being under the cap is part of my job responsibility".
I have to be honest with you, the entire culture of this team is way off the scale fahking weird. We talk about schidt that not one of the other 31 teams talk about. They talk about TDs, wins, playoffs, and we talk about theoretical, euphemistic bullschidt that you have to believe on face value because there are no statistics of numbers to support it. " Oh, the team isn't winning, but that isn't what we are doing here, you have to see deeper to understand that while we look like schidt.......there is a lot going on.
Sorry man, but it's horse schidt.
Where was it stated that Sashi's job is to provide a winner as cheaply as possible?
It wasn't stated, it's just my observations and opinion. Moneyball was arguably about finding undervalued talent. I can't fathom gutting everyone like we did and sucking for draft picks, it's just too weird now. People think it's all Sashi's process, and Depo's process, but what they're really not thinking of is that it's been Jimmy's process all along, who you could argue is a bufoon, and doesn't even have a clue how to put a winner on the field. If Jimmy cared about his fans, he'd try harder to win. You're going to tell me that Jimmy's F.O. tell him to spend so little money on the cap every year? I think that comes from Jimmy himself. You might think my hypothesis is cowpoop, but just wait and see if we resign gordon or let him walk. that will tell us if i'm full of s#$% or if i'm onto Haslam's bullshittery an ineptitude.
And don't forget, Pettine had a TON of lack of talent too and had to give all of those pressers as the Browns lost his second year. Jimmy is a Jerry Jones wannabe without a brain.
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Doesn't exactly hurt Gip and his 82.5 to be playing next to Barry Church (84.9) does it? Not to mention between Ramsey (90.7) and Bouye (88.7)... and their DL and LBs...
FYI... Kindred grades out at 78.5... a/k/a in the ball park.
Peppers? In the parking lot... but we all know he's playing out of position out of necessity.
Then there's McCourty who bests the lot of them at 92.5. BBC? Very respectable 83.0.
Taylor? Parking lot as well... but closer to the stadium.
The claim was Gipson is no better than what is currently on the Browns roster which is silly.
BTW, Kindred is a SS while Gip is a FS. So it's not really an apples to apples comparison.
The claim was Gipson is no better than what is currently on the Browns roster which is silly.
BTW, Kindred is a SS while Gip is a FS. So it's not really an apples to apples comparison.
Semi-silly perhaps... but just proves the naysyaers don't have a monopoly on hyperbole...
Peppers was also in my analysis, but then he's not really a FS either... is he?
And then there's the whole issue of Gip being worth his contract... an issue you deftly avoided.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
So y'all would have Jimmy stay incredibly under the cap and make more money instead of keeping a decent FS? Jesus. Dude was young and good, Sashi Brown's job is to make Jimmy a team to win for as cheap as possible, which is why we didn't resign him. It doesn't differ much from letting T.J. Ward go without even offering anything. We continue to develop players and then let them play somewhere else. Like Mudfly said awhile back, We cut a bunch of vets and people who were skilled and replaced them with basically infants who are inept. Sure, some of them will be decent, but will we ever get a playoff team without spending the Cap? And please don't say we're going to spend a lot of Cap this offseason and we've been waiting for the third offseason, because until we do it I don't believe it. In fact, I bet we'd let Josh Gordon walk even if he has a great end of the season just to save Jimmy money.
A large deal of the process has to do with saving JIMMY MONEY, if you want to argue against that, show me the proof.
So y'all would have Jimmy stay incredibly under the cap and make more money instead of keeping a decent FS? Jesus. Dude was young and good, Sashi Brown's job is to make Jimmy a team to win for as cheap as possible, which is why we didn't resign him. It doesn't differ much from letting T.J. Ward go without even offering anything. We continue to develop players and then let them play somewhere else. Like Mudfly said awhile back, We cut a bunch of vets and people who were skilled and replaced them with basically infants who are inept. Sure, some of them will be decent, but will we ever get a playoff team without spending the Cap? And please don't say we're going to spend a lot of Cap this offseason and we've been waiting for the third offseason, because until we do it I don't believe it. In fact, I bet we'd let Josh Gordon walk even if he has a great end of the season just to save Jimmy money.
A large deal of the process has to do with saving JIMMY MONEY, if you want to argue against that, show me the proof.
Here's a thought... actually make your case then I'll tear it apart. I'll even give you a peek at my counter...
- Collins...
- Zeitler...
- Osweiler...
As for Tashaun "Dude was young and good" Gipson... yes, he was. He was also badly injured and has never been the same, but he wanted to be paid for what he was pre-injury. ust another in a long line of players whose value we nailed.
If we did what you (and Mud) wanted, we'd be in cap hell before we ever got playoff competitive... and all in the name of a few, meaningless wins.
spending more money usually results in getting better players. or you can keep ricardo louis and bryce treggs and go 1-24.
Two words... Albert Haynesworth...
Need more? Dwayne Bowe...
**Drops Mic**
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
So y'all would have Jimmy stay incredibly under the cap and make more money instead of keeping a decent FS? Jesus. Dude was young and good, Sashi Brown's job is to make Jimmy a team to win for as cheap as possible, which is why we didn't resign him. It doesn't differ much from letting T.J. Ward go without even offering anything. We continue to develop players and then let them play somewhere else. Like Mudfly said awhile back, We cut a bunch of vets and people who were skilled and replaced them with basically infants who are inept. Sure, some of them will be decent, but will we ever get a playoff team without spending the Cap? And please don't say we're going to spend a lot of Cap this offseason and we've been waiting for the third offseason, because until we do it I don't believe it. In fact, I bet we'd let Josh Gordon walk even if he has a great end of the season just to save Jimmy money.
A large deal of the process has to do with saving JIMMY MONEY, if you want to argue against that, show me the proof.
Here's a thought... actually make your case then I'll tear it apart. I'll even give you a peek at my counter...
- Collins...
- Zeitler...
- Osweiler...
As for Tashaun "Dude was young and good" Gipson... yes, he was. He was also badly injured and has never been the same, but he wanted to be paid for what he was pre-injury. ust another in a long line of players whose value we nailed.
If we did what you (and Mud) wanted, we'd be in cap hell before we ever got playoff competitive... and all in the name of a few, meaningless wins.
spending more money usually results in getting better players. or you can keep ricardo louis and bryce treggs and go 1-24.
Two words... Albert Haynesworth...
Need more? Dwayne Bowe...
**Drops Mic**
2017
Cleveland Browns
Approximate space: $105 million
A couple of years of caution and few homegrown talents to reward allowed the Browns to carry over more than $50 million from last year's cap. That accounts for nearly half of this season's league-leading total. Receiver Terrelle Pryor Sr. is in position to consume some of that space, but the Browns already have given linebacker Jamie Collins a four-year extension (2017 cap hit: $12.1 million) and almost certainly will roll over a significant portion of their current space to 2018.
Since the total salary cap from 2013-2016 is $554.55 million, then every NFL team, including the Browns, must have a cash spend of at least 89% of that by the end of the 2016 league year, which is $493.55 million.
More like he had to get someone like Collins and Zeitler.
Need more? Dwayne Bowe...
Just more proof that we need better talent evaluators in there so it doesn't happen again. (cough, BRITT, cough)
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