The Hoorta goes Ghoolie...
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It's not 1980 anymore, though.
Hogan couldn't throw an out pattern vs the Texans in a climate-controlled environment in Houston.
But I thought he could put up Matt Ryan numbers if he had the same receivers?
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It's not 1980 anymore, though.
Hogan couldn't throw an out pattern vs the Texans in a climate-controlled environment in Houston.
But I thought he could put up Matt Ryan numbers if he had the same receivers?
But I thought he could put up Matt Ryan numbers if he had the same receivers?
He could have won the state championship if his coach had just put him in.
Without a doubt, though, Hogan could throw a football over that mountain.
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It's not 1980 anymore, though.
Hogan couldn't throw an out pattern vs the Texans in a climate-controlled environment in Houston.
Your right it's not.. Let Me educate you... in 1980.. it was tougher to play qb because they didnt enforce the rules like they do now... receivers and backs got mugged continually... And they allowed spear heading.. get back to us when you brush up on Football history...
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It's not 1980 anymore, though.
Hogan couldn't throw an out pattern vs the Texans in a climate-controlled environment in Houston.
Your right it's not.. Let Me educate you... in 1980.. it was tougher to play qb because they didnt enforce the rules like they do now... receivers and backs got mugged continually... And they allowed spear heading.. get back to us when you brush up on Football history...
Your right it's not.. Let Me educate you... in 1980.. it was tougher to play qb because they didnt enforce the rules like they do now... receivers and backs got mugged continually... And they allowed spear heading.. get back to us when you brush up on Football history...
First, it's "You're", not "Your". Your attempt to educate me started off with a bang.
Second, you are correct, the rules definitely benefited the defense in that era in comparison to now. I will counter that today's players are far more athletic, making windows to complete passes smaller than they were nearly 40 years ago. It's similar to why you don't see the famed Packer sweep of the 60s anymore - the players are too fast. How many QBs with comparable arm strength to Sipe are successful today?
Third, I'll put my football history knowledge up against just about anyone on this board.
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Your right it's not.. Let Me educate you... in 1980.. it was tougher to play qb because they didnt enforce the rules like they do now... receivers and backs got mugged continually... And they allowed spear heading.. get back to us when you brush up on Football history...
First, it's "You're", not "Your". Your attempt to educate me started off with a bang.
Second, you are correct, the rules definitely benefited the defense in that era in comparison to now. I will counter that today's players are far more athletic, making windows to complete passes smaller than they were nearly 40 years ago. It's similar to why you don't see the famed Packer sweep of the 60s anymore - the players are too fast. How many QBs with comparable arm strength to Sipe are successful today?
Third, I'll put my football history knowledge up against just about anyone on this board.
First, it's "You're", not "Your". Your attempt to educate me started off with a bang.
Second, you are correct, the rules definitely benefited the defense in that era in comparison to now. I will counter that today's players are far more athletic, making windows to complete passes smaller than they were nearly 40 years ago. It's similar to why you don't see the famed Packer sweep of the 60s anymore - the players are too fast. How many QBs with comparable arm strength to Sipe are successful today?
Third, I'll put my football history knowledge up against just about anyone on this board.
Drew Brees.. P.Manning to name a couple..Brady is not exactly a long ball thrower...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
First, it's "You're", not "Your". Your attempt to educate me started off with a bang.
Second, you are correct, the rules definitely benefited the defense in that era in comparison to now. I will counter that today's players are far more athletic, making windows to complete passes smaller than they were nearly 40 years ago. It's similar to why you don't see the famed Packer sweep of the 60s anymore - the players are too fast. How many QBs with comparable arm strength to Sipe are successful today?
Third, I'll put my football history knowledge up against just about anyone on this board.
Drew Brees.. P.Manning to name a couple..Brady is not exactly a long ball thrower...
Drew Brees.. P.Manning to name a couple..Brady is not exactly a long ball thrower...
Brady throws the ball with way more zip than Sipe did.
Brees played his career in San Diego and New Orlean's dome. Manning played indoors with the Colts for almost his entire career.
I just can't see a QB with a below-average arm being successful today in a bad-weather football town like Cleveland.
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I never liked the Kizer pick because I wanted a more "Pro Ready" QB like Watson or even Trubinsky. Kizer was so-so at times in college, and while he had a big arm, he had accuracy issues and was never a "winner" like Wentz and Watson were. Those dudes just found ways to win games. That's one reason why I don't like Rosen this year. Dude can't figure out a way to win some games. You can blame his coach, or his defense, but great players always fine ways to win when the game is on the line. Horrible QB's crack under pressure and lose every game like Kizer. I think Kizer could probably be a backup after sitting and learning for a couple of years, but I don't get why we took him, because he's a 3 year project QB like Bortles. And at this rate, did our fans really want to wait 3 years to see if he can start for us?
Chances are that our FO didn't like any QB's this past year out of the draft which is why they didn't take Watson (just like they didn't take Wentz the year before). I think they like Rosen and we'll pick him, but I don't really like that pick. Jimmy is cool tanking, but the fans shouldn't be. He could of rostered a better QB. It's all on Jimmy in my opinion.
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I never liked the Kizer pick because I wanted a more "Pro Ready" QB like Watson or even Trubinsky. Kizer was so-so at times in college, and while he had a big arm, he had accuracy issues and was never a "winner" like Wentz and Watson were. Those dudes just found ways to win games. That's one reason why I don't like Rosen this year. Dude can't figure out a way to win some games. You can blame his coach, or his defense, but great players always fine ways to win when the game is on the line. Horrible QB's crack under pressure and lose every game like Kizer. I think Kizer could probably be a backup after sitting and learning for a couple of years, but I don't get why we took him, because he's a 3 year project QB like Bortles. And at this rate, did our fans really want to wait 3 years to see if he can start for us?
Chances are that our FO didn't like any QB's this past year out of the draft which is why they didn't take Watson (just like they didn't take Wentz the year before). I think they like Rosen and we'll pick him, but I don't really like that pick. Jimmy is cool tanking, but the fans shouldn't be. He could of rostered a better QB. It's all on Jimmy in my opinion.
Chances are that our FO didn't like any QB's this past year out of the draft which is why they didn't take Watson (just like they didn't take Wentz the year before). I think they like Rosen and we'll pick him, but I don't really like that pick. Jimmy is cool tanking, but the fans shouldn't be. He could of rostered a better QB. It's all on Jimmy in my opinion.
I think you're right to a certain extent about winning in college but Peyton Manning had the same knock on him coming out of college, how did that turn out for everyone? Especially in today's college game it's hard to blame a QB for a team that loses when theres a ton of points scored.
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Chances are that our FO didn't like any QB's this past year out of the draft which is why they didn't take Watson (just like they didn't take Wentz the year before). I think they like Rosen and we'll pick him, but I don't really like that pick. Jimmy is cool tanking, but the fans shouldn't be. He could of rostered a better QB. It's all on Jimmy in my opinion.
I think you're right to a certain extent about winning in college but Peyton Manning had the same knock on him coming out of college, how did that turn out for everyone? Especially in today's college game it's hard to blame a QB for a team that loses when theres a ton of points scored.
I think you're right to a certain extent about winning in college but Peyton Manning had the same knock on him coming out of college, how did that turn out for everyone? Especially in today's college game it's hard to blame a QB for a team that loses when theres a ton of points scored.
Peyton manning had flawless work ethic. Flawless. I've talked to many people that watch every UCLA game and live in Southern California, and not many of them at all think Rosen is a pro-ready QB. He does have an awesome arm, but most think it's his personality and work ethic that will ultimately hurt him.
At least with Baker he backs it up by winning. People are loving hating him now, but the Kansas dudes didn't even shake his hand.
Article on Rosen
Not to say I can predict what will happen, but Rosen comes from rich parents in southern california, and mayfield comes from the midwest. I doubt Rosen, will be able to play competitively in the cold as well as a midwest QB.
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I think Kizer was drafted more based on his 2015 season than his 2016.
I think that the mistakes over the last two years of our current regime have proven that they THOUGHT they knew what they were doing...but actually did not. - Learning on the job is for Interns, not for 'top of the pyramid' decision makers.
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You guys need to stop with this man crush you guys have on Hogan. He's terrible. Kessler is better than him.
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Drew Brees.. P.Manning to name a couple..Brady is not exactly a long ball thrower...
Brady throws the ball with way more zip than Sipe did.
Brees played his career in San Diego and New Orlean's dome. Manning played indoors with the Colts for almost his entire career.
I just can't see a QB with a below-average arm being successful today in a bad-weather football town like Cleveland.
Brady throws the ball with way more zip than Sipe did.
Brees played his career in San Diego and New Orlean's dome. Manning played indoors with the Colts for almost his entire career.
I just can't see a QB with a below-average arm being successful today in a bad-weather football town like Cleveland.
yeah hows Case Keenum doing these days?
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
You guys need to stop with this man crush you guys have on Hogan. He's terrible. Kessler is better than him.
You guys need to stop with this man crush you guys have on Hogan. He's terrible. Kessler is better than him.
I'd argue Hogan is better than Kessler. and PoG does have a point.
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I'd argue Hogan is better than Kessler. and PoG does have a point.
Neither one of them is any good. And neither is Kizer for that matter.
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I think you're right to a certain extent about winning in college but Peyton Manning had the same knock on him coming out of college, how did that turn out for everyone? Especially in today's college game it's hard to blame a QB for a team that loses when theres a ton of points scored.
Peyton manning had flawless work ethic. Flawless. I've talked to many people that watch every UCLA game and live in Southern California, and not many of them at all think Rosen is a pro-ready QB. He does have an awesome arm, but most think it's his personality and work ethic that will ultimately hurt him.
At least with Baker he backs it up by winning. People are loving hating him now, but the Kansas dudes didn't even shake his hand.
Article on Rosen
Not to say I can predict what will happen, but Rosen comes from rich parents in southern california, and mayfield comes from the midwest. I doubt Rosen, will be able to play competitively in the cold as well as a midwest QB.
Not to say I can predict what will happen, but Rosen comes from rich parents in southern california, and mayfield comes from the midwest. I doubt Rosen, will be able to play competitively in the cold as well as a midwest QB.
The three best QBs in Green Bay Packers history are Bart Starr, Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers.
Starr is from Alabama, Favre is from Mississippi, Rodgers is from California. All thrived in the frozen tundra of Lambeau Field.
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I'd argue Hogan is better than Kessler. and PoG does have a point.
Neither one of them is any good. And neither is Kizer for that matter.
Neither one of them is any good. And neither is Kizer for that matter.
We need Kirk Cousins, unless Jimmy decides to settle on Spergeon Wynn 2.0 somewhere in the draft.
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Brady throws the ball with way more zip than Sipe did.
Brees played his career in San Diego and New Orlean's dome. Manning played indoors with the Colts for almost his entire career.
I just can't see a QB with a below-average arm being successful today in a bad-weather football town like Cleveland.
yeah hows Case Keenum doing these days?
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We need Kirk Cousins, unless Jimmy decides to settle on Spergeon Wynn 2.0 somewhere in the draft.
I said we should have traded for cousins years ago. But we will never get him now.
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Not to say I can predict what will happen, but Rosen comes from rich parents in southern california, and mayfield comes from the midwest. I doubt Rosen, will be able to play competitively in the cold as well as a midwest QB.
The three best QBs in Green Bay Packers history are Bart Starr, Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers.
Starr is from Alabama, Favre is from Mississippi, Rodgers is from California. All thrived in the frozen tundra of Lambeau Field.
The three best QBs in Green Bay Packers history are Bart Starr, Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers.
Starr is from Alabama, Favre is from Mississippi, Rodgers is from California. All thrived in the frozen tundra of Lambeau Field.
Did they all grow up with a super rich daddy like Rosen and Manziel did?
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The three best QBs in Green Bay Packers history are Bart Starr, Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers.
Starr is from Alabama, Favre is from Mississippi, Rodgers is from California. All thrived in the frozen tundra of Lambeau Field.
Did they all grow up with a super rich daddy like Rosen and Manziel did?
Did they all grow up with a super rich daddy like Rosen and Manziel did?
What does that have to do regarding the ability to play football in bad weather?
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