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  • @stillmotion said:

    Did they all grow up with a super rich daddy like Rosen and Manziel did?

    What does that have to do regarding the ability to play football in bad weather?

    @dutch-oven said:

    What does that have to do regarding the ability to play football in bad weather?

    Pretty sure work ethic is what got Brett Favre, Bart Starr, and Aaron Rodgers where they are, and that's what scouts have been complaining about with Josh Rosen.

  • @nickers said:

    yeah hows Case Keenum doing these days?

    The Vikings play in a dome.

    Next.

    @dutch-oven said:

    The Vikings play in a dome.

    Next.

    so you said a weak armed QB  cant make it today..  So quit makin Sheet up as you go along. And so what.. the kid doesnt play in a dome every week smarty pants!

  • @dutch-oven said:

    What does that have to do regarding the ability to play football in bad weather?

    Pretty sure work ethic is what got Brett Favre, Bart Starr, and Aaron Rodgers where they are, and that's what scouts have been complaining about with Josh Rosen.

    @stillmotion said:

    Pretty sure work ethic is what got Brett Favre, Bart Starr, and Aaron Rodgers where they are, and that's what scouts have been complaining about with Josh Rosen.

    And if that is true, I would be hesitant to draft him too.

    There seems to be a lot of differing views on Rosen regarding his character. I like his talent, but a month ago mentioned that some things I read about him worries me. I hope to have a clearer picture of Josh Rosen in the upcoming months. On the field, there's a lot to like.

  • @dutch-oven said:

    The Vikings play in a dome.

    Next.

    so you said a weak armed QB  cant make it today..  So quit makin Sheet up as you go along. And so what.. the kid doesnt play in a dome every week smarty pants!

    @nickers said:

    so you said a weak armed QB  cant make it today..  So quit makin Sheet up as you go along. And so what.. the kid doesnt play in a dome every week smarty pants!

    First, Brees and Manning had/have average QB arms. Not weak. (With the exception of Manning at the end of his career with Denver)

    And I brought up the point that the idea of Hogan making throws - in my initial post - on the lakefront in mid-November made me laugh.

    But feel free to hitch your wagon to noodle-arm QBs... Colt McCoy, Brian Hoyer and Kevin Hogan thank you!

  • @alkid3 said:

    You guys need to stop with this man crush you guys have on Hogan. He's terrible. Kessler is better than him. 

    I'd argue Hogan is better than Kessler. and PoG does have a point.

    @stillmotion said:

    I'd argue Hogan is better than Kessler. and PoG does have a point.

    I would argue the next season that we have three quarterbacks that Kaiser should be third string and that we should have two other guys in here lately a high draft pick plus maybe a little round draft pick and or we should have a veteran quarterback on this teamI would argue the next season that we have three quarterbacks that Kaiser should be third string and that we should have two other guys in here lately a high draft pick plus maybe a little round draft pick and or we should have a veteran quarterback on this team

  • @stillmotion said:

    Pretty sure work ethic is what got Brett Favre, Bart Starr, and Aaron Rodgers where they are, and that's what scouts have been complaining about with Josh Rosen.

    And if that is true, I would be hesitant to draft him too.

    There seems to be a lot of differing views on Rosen regarding his character. I like his talent, but a month ago mentioned that some things I read about him worries me. I hope to have a clearer picture of Josh Rosen in the upcoming months. On the field, there's a lot to like.

    @dutch-oven said:

    And if that is true, I would be hesitant to draft him too.

    There seems to be a lot of differing views on Rosen regarding his character. I like his talent, but a month ago mentioned that some things I read about him worries me. I hope to have a clearer picture of Josh Rosen in the upcoming months. On the field, there's a lot to like.

    I mean his teammates seem to like him, I don't agree with the reports that they dislike him. But he's known to do partyboy Sheet and not give a f$%^ and replied with "i'm not fifty". Not saying because his parents are multimillionaires that life was any easier for him or that he could of been spoiled, but it's quite possible he was always told he was a "golden boy" and always got his way. When a good friend of mine has seen EVERY game he's played in (and is a UCLA alumni and part of the football club) and tells me that the Browns should stay FAR away from him it shoots a red flag to me. I could be wrong, but I'm biased man. I like kids that have gone through tough times and adversity. I like kids who overcome obstacles. If Rosen was leading UCLA to a championship i'm sure i'd be on a different tone.

    That being said I don't think it's fair to compare Baker or Rosen to Manziel because he was a complete different person. I might be biased in wanting a midwest QB for the Browns, but I think they'd appreciate Cleveland, the culture, and the fans more than someone who grew up super rich in Sunny California.

  • @nickers said:

    so you said a weak armed QB  cant make it today..  So quit makin Sheet up as you go along. And so what.. the kid doesnt play in a dome every week smarty pants!

    First, Brees and Manning had/have average QB arms. Not weak. (With the exception of Manning at the end of his career with Denver)

    And I brought up the point that the idea of Hogan making throws - in my initial post - on the lakefront in mid-November made me laugh.

    But feel free to hitch your wagon to noodle-arm QBs... Colt McCoy, Brian Hoyer and Kevin Hogan thank you!

    @dutch-oven said:

    First, Brees and Manning had/have average QB arms. Not weak. (With the exception of Manning at the end of his career with Denver)

    And I brought up the point that the idea of Hogan making throws - in my initial post - on the lakefront in mid-November made me laugh.

    But feel free to hitch your wagon to noodle-arm QBs... Colt McCoy, Brian Hoyer and Kevin Hogan thank you!

    Feel free to hitch your wagon to DeShit Kizer who should be DeShown the door out of Cleveland...

  • @nickers said:

    so you said a weak armed QB  cant make it today..  So quit makin Sheet up as you go along. And so what.. the kid doesnt play in a dome every week smarty pants!

    First, Brees and Manning had/have average QB arms. Not weak. (With the exception of Manning at the end of his career with Denver)

    And I brought up the point that the idea of Hogan making throws - in my initial post - on the lakefront in mid-November made me laugh.

    But feel free to hitch your wagon to noodle-arm QBs... Colt McCoy, Brian Hoyer and Kevin Hogan thank you!

    @dutch-oven said:

    First, Brees and Manning had/have average QB arms. Not weak. (With the exception of Manning at the end of his career with Denver)

    And I brought up the point that the idea of Hogan making throws - in my initial post - on the lakefront in mid-November made me laugh.

    But feel free to hitch your wagon to noodle-arm QBs... Colt McCoy, Brian Hoyer and Kevin Hogan thank you!

    It would seem that we in Cleveland as fans have gotten a strange infatuation with weak armed, spunky, white QB's who try really hard but just aren't that good.   Besides the 3 you mention...we've had Charlie Frye and Cody Kessler as well as I'm sure some others I've forgotten.

  • @dutch-oven said:

    First, Brees and Manning had/have average QB arms. Not weak. (With the exception of Manning at the end of his career with Denver)

    And I brought up the point that the idea of Hogan making throws - in my initial post - on the lakefront in mid-November made me laugh.

    But feel free to hitch your wagon to noodle-arm QBs... Colt McCoy, Brian Hoyer and Kevin Hogan thank you!

    Feel free to hitch your wagon to DeShit Kizer who should be DeShown the door out of Cleveland...

    @nickers said:

    Feel free to hitch your wagon to DeShit Kizer who should be DeShown the door out of Cleveland...

    There's no one here hitching anything long term to Kizer,  but as bad as he played, he's still the best option we've got on this team.

  • @dutch-oven said:

    First, Brees and Manning had/have average QB arms. Not weak. (With the exception of Manning at the end of his career with Denver)

    And I brought up the point that the idea of Hogan making throws - in my initial post - on the lakefront in mid-November made me laugh.

    But feel free to hitch your wagon to noodle-arm QBs... Colt McCoy, Brian Hoyer and Kevin Hogan thank you!

    It would seem that we in Cleveland as fans have gotten a strange infatuation with weak armed, spunky, white QB's who try really hard but just aren't that good.   Besides the 3 you mention...we've had Charlie Frye and Cody Kessler as well as I'm sure some others I've forgotten.

    @mark-o said:

    It would seem that we in Cleveland as fans have gotten a strange infatuation with weak armed, spunky, white QB's who try really hard but just aren't that good.   Besides the 3 you mention...we've had Charlie Frye and Cody Kessler as well as I'm sure some others I've forgotten.

    It's the "Matt Dellavadova Effect", but in football.

  • @mark-o said:

    It would seem that we in Cleveland as fans have gotten a strange infatuation with weak armed, spunky, white QB's who try really hard but just aren't that good.   Besides the 3 you mention...we've had Charlie Frye and Cody Kessler as well as I'm sure some others I've forgotten.

    It's the "Matt Dellavadova Effect", but in football.

    @dutch-oven said:

    It's the "Matt Dellavadova Effect", but in football.

    Dellavadova was missed this year.. bad comparison...

  • @dutch-oven said:

    First, Brees and Manning had/have average QB arms. Not weak. (With the exception of Manning at the end of his career with Denver)

    And I brought up the point that the idea of Hogan making throws - in my initial post - on the lakefront in mid-November made me laugh.

    But feel free to hitch your wagon to noodle-arm QBs... Colt McCoy, Brian Hoyer and Kevin Hogan thank you!

    Feel free to hitch your wagon to DeShit Kizer who should be DeShown the door out of Cleveland...

    @nickers said:

    Feel free to hitch your wagon to DeShit Kizer who should be DeShown the door out of Cleveland...

    And to the surprise of no one, this debate devolves into this....

  • @nickers said:

    Feel free to hitch your wagon to DeShit Kizer who should be DeShown the door out of Cleveland...

    And to the surprise of no one, this debate devolves into this....

    @dutch-oven said:

    And to the surprise of no one, this debate devolves into this....

    What!.. You finally ran out of stupid things to say"... Not surprised...

  • The Hoorta goes Ghoolie...

    If true, then horrta goes "Ignore"...

  • @boo-fagley said:

    Brett Farve was a screw up in Atlanta.

    He ate chicken wings and swilled down beer like there was no tomorrow.

    And he sent a finger pic to a reporter. But when he was on the Packers, he worked as hard as any QB in the NFL.

  • Doubtful....

  • @dutch-oven said:

    And to the surprise of no one, this debate devolves into this....

    What!.. You finally ran out of stupid things to say"... Not surprised...

    @nickers said:

    What!.. You finally ran out of stupid things to say"... Not surprised...

    I should have stopped when someone was dumb enough to think Brian Sipe has something, ANYTHING, to do with the NFL in 2017.

  • @nickers said:

    What!.. You finally ran out of stupid things to say"... Not surprised...

    I should have stopped when someone was dumb enough to think Brian Sipe has something, ANYTHING, to do with the NFL in 2017.

    @dutch-oven said:

    I should have stopped when someone was dumb enough to think Brian Sipe has something, ANYTHING, to do with the NFL in 2017.

    I never said he had anything to do with 2017.. I guess I was wrong. You do have more stupid $hit to say...

  • @dutch-oven said:

    I should have stopped when someone was dumb enough to think Brian Sipe has something, ANYTHING, to do with the NFL in 2017.

    I never said he had anything to do with 2017.. I guess I was wrong. You do have more stupid $hit to say...

    @nickers said:

    I never said he had anything to do with 2017.. I guess I was wrong. You do have more stupid $hit to say...

    You literally said that a weak-armed Kevin Hogan could succeed in poor weather on the shores of Lake Erie in 2017 because Brian Sipe had done so nearly 40 years ago.

    This is getting sad, nickers.

  • Yeah baby, back to Hogan!