The 'who have you watched lately?' thread.
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Saw more from Rosen in one play alone than I've seen from Mayfield in 2 & 1/2 games.
@2:44. Honestly, just watch. You have to appreciate all you just saw on this play. Downfield vision, poise, pocket presence and awareness then finally, identifying and delivering.
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Baker Mayfield is now off the list. He grabbed his nut-sack after his last touchdown throw in a show of serious disrespect, and it was caught on tape. No way in hell we take him. I know he quickly apologized, but we just can't have our QB grabbing his jewels and talking smack to the opposition or to fans.
Now, on the flip side, do yourself a favor and watch the highlights of Lamar Jackson. He honestly doesn't look real. He looks like a character you create in Playstation College Football where you get a finite amount of attribute points, but with Lamar, the amount of available attribute points was doubled on accident. The truly unfair thing about Jackson is his acceleration. There are several fast qb's in the league, but there is NOBODY who possesses the surreal acceleration of Jackson. It's literally one step to full speed, and that full speed is stupid fast.
But do more than just look at the running plays, and be sure to carefully watch some of his throws. He had one deep seam toss that had a window of about a foot, and Jackson squeezed it in there....in stride....for a long touchdown. He had several throws that were big league, and if he continues doing that, there might not be any way to pass on the overwhelmingly gifted Jackson.
I'm serious, this guy has so many physical gifts, that he has me wondering if he's worth drafting and completely changing the offense to suit him. He'd be an absolute nightmare to defend on 3rd and short, or near the goal line, and he actually throws a gorgeous fade route...something that the bozos on our team obviously struggle with. Yes he's far from a finished product, but the talent is there, and everything I read says the drive is there too. I have no clue about Wonderlic stuff, off the field behavior, or other possible skeletons that MIGHT exist, but we'll surely get all that as the draft approaches in a few months.
We still need to add WRs and we know that. If we somehow knew Josh Gordon was going to be here, I think we could sleep better, but we're far too smart for that nonsense. We also know we can't depend on Corey Coleman, and we desperately need to add some serious WR talent to help whoever is taking snaps. One thing I love about Jackson is his ability to throw deep seam passes with accuracy and consistency, and I believe he'd be perfect for a developing Njoku. Add in the fact he throws a beautiful fade, and our red zone offense could get an instant jolt. Of course Lamar would have to beat out Kizer, but that's a win-win to me. If Kizer wins the job, that means he's playing WELL. Which is what everyone wants in the first place.
However, let's not get ahead of ourselves. First thing is to draft Jackson. Then we figure out the rest. I've always liked the guy but wondered if he could transition to the pros. Now I'm to the point where I believe his talent is simply too much to pass on, and his abilities are so completely vast and overwhelming, that NFL coaches would almost HAVE to to make it work with him.
Just stop. He's another RG III. at best Michael Vick.
By all accounts I have read Rosen is really smart... but it's not a simple matter of smart. It's football smart... it's processing speed...
Just stop... You have adopted a term coined by a guy who does not know football. Tarkenton scrambled to buy time. Jackson runs.
The closest "Tarkenton" of any skin-tone playing today is Aaron Rodgers... a time buyer who runs only as a last resort including throwing the ball away... an option Sir Francis never had.
If the shoe fits you wear it Tour. Jackson's running ability is worth less than diddly squat in the NFL unless he wants a premature trip to IR.....
PS I have Rosen marginally ahead of Mayfield now- simply because he's more Pro Size". They both supposedly have character issues, time for Sashi to hire some PIs to check both of them out....
I'm sold, tia...
And Benkert is Rosen-lite...
If the shoe fits you wear it Tour. Jackson's running ability is worth less than diddly squat in the NFL unless he wants a premature trip to IR.....
As Hamilton told Jefferson... Sittin’ there useless as two shits
Hey, turn around, bend over, I’ll show you
Where my shoe fitsRunning seems to be working just fine for Wilson, h.
PS I have Rosen marginally ahead of Mayfield now- simply because he's more Pro Size". They both supposedly have character issues, time for Sashi to hire some PIs to check both of them out....
Ah... but only one has on-going chararcter issues.
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This is now two quarterbacks you like and everyone of the traits you've listed as liking about them have the least amount of bearing on being successful in the NFL.
Just want to highlight that right quick.
I actually like Rosen the best. I've seen more games of him than anyone else, as I'm in Pac12 land.
I'm just saying that in terms of being impressive in college, Mayfield and Jackson are both super fun to watch for different reasons. I've seen several Mayfield games, especially when they raped the Buckeyes in Columbus. he's been unstoppable. I hadn't seen much of Jackson until I watched some Youtube videos, and he's an athletic freak. To think neither one has a chance of succeeding is far fetched.
To think neither one has a chance of succeeding is far fetched.
Every draft numerous college QBs have "a chance", a "possibility" of succeeding.
But the draft is not about "possible"... it's about "probable" as in probability of success.
I'm still looking, but I've not seen greater potential in any QB than I have in Rosen.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Saw more from Rosen in one play alone than I've seen from Mayfield in 2 & 1/2 games.
@2:44. Honestly, just watch. You have to appreciate all you just saw on this play. Downfield vision, poise, pocket presence and awareness then finally, identifying and delivering.
Saw more from Rosen in one play alone than I've seen from Mayfield in 2 & 1/2 games.
@2:44. Honestly, just watch. You have to appreciate all you just saw on this play. Downfield vision, poise, pocket presence and awareness then finally, identifying and delivering.
The A&M comeback was incredible.
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I like Rashaad Penny from SDSU. Quite a night he had last night, granted against Nevada who stinks and it's the Mountain West which also stinks for the most part but he's had solid games against ASU and Stanford this season.
I like Rashaad Penny from SDSU. Quite a night he had last night, granted against Nevada who stinks and it's the Mountain West which also stinks for the most part but he's had solid games against ASU and Stanford this season.
I like Penny too. Bryce Love has been amazing in every game I've seen this year (which was like 2 games, but still) he was averaging over 10 YPC more than halfway thru the season.
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Saw more from Rosen in one play alone than I've seen from Mayfield in 2 & 1/2 games.
@2:44. Honestly, just watch. You have to appreciate all you just saw on this play. Downfield vision, poise, pocket presence and awareness then finally, identifying and delivering.
The A&M comeback was incredible.
The A&M comeback was incredible.
The A&M comeback made me not like Rosen. Not once but twice he made bad decisions on passes that should have been easily picked off. When you coupled that with the hype he had coming into the season I was turned off on what I saw.
Though I admit it was a limited sample size. When I tuned in to see the USC game it was like watching a different QB. Loved what I saw and still do. The ability both Rosen and Benkert have shown is, to date, far more complete than Mayfield, Rudolph, Darnold and Jackson.
So much that it's not even really close.
edit: @Tour. Looks like we're agreeing on not just one but two QB's. In the same draft no less. Screen shot the Sheet out of this and make it the background on your phone. Might never happen again.
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RKPLAYERPOSPOS RKSCHOOLCLASSHTWT
1Mason RudolphQB2Oklahoma StateSr6-5230
18Josh RosenQB3UCLAJr6-4220
28Lamar JacksonQB5LouisvilleJr6-3200
40Sam DarnoldQB1Southern CaliforniaSoph6-422546Ryan FinleyQB0NC StateJr6-4205
65Baker MayfieldQB8OklahomaSr6-1218
CBS sports
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2018 NFL DRAFT
NFL DRAFT PROSPECTS
Year 2018Position AllCCBDEDTFSILBOGOLBOTQBRBSSTEWRGo2018 TOP NFL DRAFT PROSPECTS RK PLAYER POS POS RK SCHOOL CLASS HT WT 1 Mason Rudolph QB 2 Oklahoma State Sr 6-5 230 2 Minkah Fitzpatrick FS 1 Alabama Jr 6-1 201 3 Saquon Barkley RB 2 Penn State Jr 5-11 223 4 Quenton Nelson OG 1 Notre Dame Sr 6-5 329 5 Derwin James SS 1 Florida State Soph 6-3 211 6 James Washington WR 2 Oklahoma State Sr 6-0 205 7 Bradley Chubb DE 3 NC State Sr 6-4 275 8 Orlando Brown OT 5 Oklahoma Jr 6-8 360 9 Ogbonnia Okoronkwo DE 0 Oklahoma Sr 6-1 242 10 Mike McGlinchey OT 1 Notre Dame Sr 6-8 312 11 Courtland Sutton WR 0 Southern Methodist Soph 6-4 215 12 Bryce Love RB 0 Stanford Jr 5-10 191 13 Kendall Joseph ILB 3 Clemson Jr 6-0 230 14 Derrius Guice RB 1 LSU Jr 5-11 212 15 Clelin Ferrell DE 8 Clemson Soph 6-5 265 16 Roquan Smith ILB 0 Georgia Jr 6-1 225 17 Deontay Burnett WR 0 Southern California Jr 6-0 170 18 Josh Rosen QB 3 UCLA Jr 6-4 220 19 Chukwuma Okorafor OT 0 Western Michigan Sr 6-6 330 -
Gip, I hope you noticed that ranking is so skewed, it's ridiculous. They have a bunch of guys rated lower at their position ranked higher. I could probably come up with something that makes more sense.
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Gip, I hope you noticed that ranking is so skewed, it's ridiculous. They have a bunch of guys rated lower at their position ranked higher. I could probably come up with something that makes more sense.
Gip, I hope you noticed that ranking is so skewed, it's ridiculous. They have a bunch of guys rated lower at their position ranked higher. I could probably come up with something that makes more sense.
Why is the ranking skewed? Simply because you disagree with it? CBS is pretty well respected. And from what I have seen so far this year....which is some.....Rudolph HAS been the best looking QB of all that I have seen.
But I am not jumping on his bandwagon or into his camp....but the fact remains.....this guy WILL be a factor when it comes to who the top QB taken will be.
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Re: Drafting Rudolph, Mayfield, Jackson or Darnold at #1.
Just so I can keep laughing and this franchise can fold eventually.
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I like Rashaad Penny from SDSU. Quite a night he had last night, granted against Nevada who stinks and it's the Mountain West which also stinks for the most part but he's had solid games against ASU and Stanford this season.
I like Penny too. Bryce Love has been amazing in every game I've seen this year (which was like 2 games, but still) he was averaging over 10 YPC more than halfway thru the season.
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Gip, I hope you noticed that ranking is so skewed, it's ridiculous. They have a bunch of guys rated lower at their position ranked higher. I could probably come up with something that makes more sense.
Why is the ranking skewed? Simply because you disagree with it? CBS is pretty well respected. And from what I have seen so far this year....which is some.....Rudolph HAS been the best looking QB of all that I have seen.
But I am not jumping on his bandwagon or into his camp....but the fact remains.....this guy WILL be a factor when it comes to who the top QB taken will be.
Why is the ranking skewed? Simply because you disagree with it? CBS is pretty well respected. And from what I have seen so far this year....which is some.....Rudolph HAS been the best looking QB of all that I have seen.
But I am not jumping on his bandwagon or into his camp....but the fact remains.....this guy WILL be a factor when it comes to who the top QB taken will be.
It's not the only ranking out there Gip. Still way early, but Rosen is better than #18. Walter Football which runs a pretty good mock BTW, has him going #3 to the Giants.
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Why is the ranking skewed? Simply because you disagree with it? CBS is pretty well respected. And from what I have seen so far this year....which is some.....Rudolph HAS been the best looking QB of all that I have seen.
But I am not jumping on his bandwagon or into his camp....but the fact remains.....this guy WILL be a factor when it comes to who the top QB taken will be.
It's not the only ranking out there Gip. Still way early, but Rosen is better than #18. Walter Football which runs a pretty good mock BTW, has him going #3 to the Giants.
It's not the only ranking out there Gip. Still way early, but Rosen is better than #18. Walter Football which runs a pretty good mock BTW, has him going #3 to the Giants.
We can be one day before the draft and these services can have wide variations. Last year there were still some just before the draft that were saying that Trubisky should be a second rounder....and we know what happened.
Are you telling me that you want until The Voice of God on these matters...Mel Kiper...gives his opinion?
Maybe CBS took a lot of the negative said about Rosen into account in their rating (that he is the real live personification of Bo Callahan? That his teammates wouldn't attend his birthday party?)
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The A&M comeback was incredible.
The A&M comeback made me not like Rosen. Not once but twice he made bad decisions on passes that should have been easily picked off. When you coupled that with the hype he had coming into the season I was turned off on what I saw.
Though I admit it was a limited sample size. When I tuned in to see the USC game it was like watching a different QB. Loved what I saw and still do. The ability both Rosen and Benkert have shown is, to date, far more complete than Mayfield, Rudolph, Darnold and Jackson.
So much that it's not even really close.
edit: @Tour. Looks like we're agreeing on not just one but two QB's. In the same draft no less. Screen shot the Sheet out of this and make it the background on your phone. Might never happen again.
The A&M comeback made me not like Rosen. Not once but twice he made bad decisions on passes that should have been easily picked off. When you coupled that with the hype he had coming into the season I was turned off on what I saw.
Though I admit it was a limited sample size. When I tuned in to see the USC game it was like watching a different QB. Loved what I saw and still do. The ability both Rosen and Benkert have shown is, to date, far more complete than Mayfield, Rudolph, Darnold and Jackson.
So much that it's not even really close.
edit: @Tour. Looks like we're agreeing on not just one but two QB's. In the same draft no less. Screen shot the Sheet out of this and make it the background on your phone. Might never happen again.
lol... was just verifying the same via PM... could be the first sign of the end-times...
Same take on Rosen's A&M game... think I wrote up as much at the time, that he got away with a couple. The difference was then that they were down... far down... and the clock was ticking. He made throws he had to try, ones he has now shown me he has the sense to not try under better circumstances.
And that's a pro-level trait.
And just look at his freakin' eyes... kid looks impervious to pressure.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
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Gip, I hope you noticed that ranking is so skewed, it's ridiculous. They have a bunch of guys rated lower at their position ranked higher. I could probably come up with something that makes more sense.
Gip, I hope you noticed that ranking is so skewed, it's ridiculous. They have a bunch of guys rated lower at their position ranked higher. I could probably come up with something that makes more sense.
Why is the ranking skewed? Simply because you disagree with it? CBS is pretty well respected. And from what I have seen so far this year....which is some.....Rudolph HAS been the best looking QB of all that I have seen.
But I am not jumping on his bandwagon or into his camp....but the fact remains.....this guy WILL be a factor when it comes to who the top QB taken will be.
What h has pointed out that you are running into, Gip, is that CBS' rankings, which we know you love, are powered by DraftScout, which we know I love.
The problem that CBS has, is that DraftScout has not and will not merge their 2019 (or 2020) underclass ranking into their 2018 Senior class ranking until players begin declaring. So CBS is "winging it" at present.
Here is link to DS's 2018 QB Class with Rudolph (R-2/3) a falling to 2nd behind Mayfield (R2). http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=QB&draftyear=2018&sortorder=tsxpos&order=ASC
And here is the link to DS's 2019 class with Rosen (R1) in the Top Spot above a falling Allen (R1), Jackson (R1) and, surprisingly, my former darkhorse nominee, Nick Fitzgerald (R-1/2). http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=QB&draftyear=2019&sortorder=tsxpos&order=ASC
If you want to believe Rudolph comes out on top when DS merges, be my guest... but please... let me know if you'd "like to make it interesting."
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Saw more from Rosen in one play alone than I've seen from Mayfield in 2 & 1/2 games.
@2:44. Honestly, just watch. You have to appreciate all you just saw on this play. Downfield vision, poise, pocket presence and awareness then finally, identifying and delivering.
Saw more from Rosen in one play alone than I've seen from Mayfield in 2 & 1/2 games.
@2:44. Honestly, just watch. You have to appreciate all you just saw on this play. Downfield vision, poise, pocket presence and awareness then finally, identifying and delivering.
3:09 for me was eye opening. I rewound that play a couple times when i watched the game cause i was like "how?". Edge guy was closing on him and rosen froze him with a little hitch/pump that gave his rec an extra fraction of a sec to get free. This kid is seriously talented.
I have no hedges with him but i would like to see him out on a few more lbs just to increase his chances of survival in clev. He will take shots here
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Gip, I hope you noticed that ranking is so skewed, it's ridiculous. They have a bunch of guys rated lower at their position ranked higher. I could probably come up with something that makes more sense.
Why is the ranking skewed? Simply because you disagree with it? CBS is pretty well respected. And from what I have seen so far this year....which is some.....Rudolph HAS been the best looking QB of all that I have seen.
But I am not jumping on his bandwagon or into his camp....but the fact remains.....this guy WILL be a factor when it comes to who the top QB taken will be.
What h has pointed out that you are running into, Gip, is that CBS' rankings, which we know you love, are powered by DraftScout, which we know I love.
The problem that CBS has, is that DraftScout has not and will not merge their 2019 (or 2020) underclass ranking into their 2018 Senior class ranking until players begin declaring. So CBS is "winging it" at present.
Here is link to DS's 2018 QB Class with Rudolph (R-2/3) a falling to 2nd behind Mayfield (R2). http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=QB&draftyear=2018&sortorder=tsxpos&order=ASC
And here is the link to DS's 2019 class with Rosen (R1) in the Top Spot above a falling Allen (R1), Jackson (R1) and, surprisingly, my former darkhorse nominee, Nick Fitzgerald (R-1/2). http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=QB&draftyear=2019&sortorder=tsxpos&order=ASC
If you want to believe Rudolph comes out on top when DS merges, be my guest... but please... let me know if you'd "like to make it interesting."
What h has pointed out that you are running into, Gip, is that CBS' rankings, which we know you love, are powered by DraftScout, which we know I love.
The problem that CBS has, is that DraftScout has not and will not merge their 2019 (or 2020) underclass ranking into their 2018 Senior class ranking until players begin declaring. So CBS is "winging it" at present.
Here is link to DS's 2018 QB Class with Rudolph (R-2/3) a falling to 2nd behind Mayfield (R2). http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=QB&draftyear=2018&sortorder=tsxpos&order=ASC
And here is the link to DS's 2019 class with Rosen (R1) in the Top Spot above a falling Allen (R1), Jackson (R1) and, surprisingly, my former darkhorse nominee, Nick Fitzgerald (R-1/2). http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=QB&draftyear=2019&sortorder=tsxpos&order=ASC
If you want to believe Rudolph comes out on top when DS merges, be my guest... but please... let me know if you'd "like to make it interesting."
I don't think that there is any "Problem" really. All I am saying is that right here, right now, they have Rudolph on top. And yes, just like everyone else, these rankings will be revived when we know all who are going to declare...and when there is more intensive scouting of them.
Point simply being....Rudolph will be a factor in the issue of which QB goes #1....just like Trubisky was last year.
Beyond that, I don't see where they have left any of the usual suspects off of their rankings because they are at this point undeclared underclassmen. Maybe Darnold perhaps....but Rudolph is in there...as is Rosen...and just about everyone else. So, at this point it seems that they have all been evaluated equally....and that in their minds at least Rudolph has come out on top so far.
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The A&M comeback made me not like Rosen. Not once but twice he made bad decisions on passes that should have been easily picked off. When you coupled that with the hype he had coming into the season I was turned off on what I saw.
Though I admit it was a limited sample size. When I tuned in to see the USC game it was like watching a different QB. Loved what I saw and still do. The ability both Rosen and Benkert have shown is, to date, far more complete than Mayfield, Rudolph, Darnold and Jackson.
So much that it's not even really close.
edit: @Tour. Looks like we're agreeing on not just one but two QB's. In the same draft no less. Screen shot the Sheet out of this and make it the background on your phone. Might never happen again.
lol... was just verifying the same via PM... could be the first sign of the end-times...
Same take on Rosen's A&M game... think I wrote up as much at the time, that he got away with a couple. The difference was then that they were down... far down... and the clock was ticking. He made throws he had to try, ones he has now shown me he has the sense to not try under better circumstances.
And that's a pro-level trait.
And just look at his freakin' eyes... kid looks impervious to pressure.
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