The 'who have you watched lately?' thread.
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Saw more from Rosen in one play alone than I've seen from Mayfield in 2 & 1/2 games.
@2:44. Honestly, just watch. You have to appreciate all you just saw on this play. Downfield vision, poise, pocket presence and awareness then finally, identifying and delivering.
The A&M comeback was incredible.
The A&M comeback was incredible.
The A&M comeback made me not like Rosen. Not once but twice he made bad decisions on passes that should have been easily picked off. When you coupled that with the hype he had coming into the season I was turned off on what I saw.
Though I admit it was a limited sample size. When I tuned in to see the USC game it was like watching a different QB. Loved what I saw and still do. The ability both Rosen and Benkert have shown is, to date, far more complete than Mayfield, Rudolph, Darnold and Jackson.
So much that it's not even really close.
edit: @Tour. Looks like we're agreeing on not just one but two QB's. In the same draft no less. Screen shot the Sheet out of this and make it the background on your phone. Might never happen again.
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RKPLAYERPOSPOS RKSCHOOLCLASSHTWT
1Mason RudolphQB2Oklahoma StateSr6-5230
18Josh RosenQB3UCLAJr6-4220
28Lamar JacksonQB5LouisvilleJr6-3200
40Sam DarnoldQB1Southern CaliforniaSoph6-422546Ryan FinleyQB0NC StateJr6-4205
65Baker MayfieldQB8OklahomaSr6-1218
CBS sports
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2018 NFL DRAFT
NFL DRAFT PROSPECTS
Year 2018Position AllCCBDEDTFSILBOGOLBOTQBRBSSTEWRGo2018 TOP NFL DRAFT PROSPECTS RK PLAYER POS POS RK SCHOOL CLASS HT WT 1 Mason Rudolph QB 2 Oklahoma State Sr 6-5 230 2 Minkah Fitzpatrick FS 1 Alabama Jr 6-1 201 3 Saquon Barkley RB 2 Penn State Jr 5-11 223 4 Quenton Nelson OG 1 Notre Dame Sr 6-5 329 5 Derwin James SS 1 Florida State Soph 6-3 211 6 James Washington WR 2 Oklahoma State Sr 6-0 205 7 Bradley Chubb DE 3 NC State Sr 6-4 275 8 Orlando Brown OT 5 Oklahoma Jr 6-8 360 9 Ogbonnia Okoronkwo DE 0 Oklahoma Sr 6-1 242 10 Mike McGlinchey OT 1 Notre Dame Sr 6-8 312 11 Courtland Sutton WR 0 Southern Methodist Soph 6-4 215 12 Bryce Love RB 0 Stanford Jr 5-10 191 13 Kendall Joseph ILB 3 Clemson Jr 6-0 230 14 Derrius Guice RB 1 LSU Jr 5-11 212 15 Clelin Ferrell DE 8 Clemson Soph 6-5 265 16 Roquan Smith ILB 0 Georgia Jr 6-1 225 17 Deontay Burnett WR 0 Southern California Jr 6-0 170 18 Josh Rosen QB 3 UCLA Jr 6-4 220 19 Chukwuma Okorafor OT 0 Western Michigan Sr 6-6 330 -
Gip, I hope you noticed that ranking is so skewed, it's ridiculous. They have a bunch of guys rated lower at their position ranked higher. I could probably come up with something that makes more sense.
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Gip, I hope you noticed that ranking is so skewed, it's ridiculous. They have a bunch of guys rated lower at their position ranked higher. I could probably come up with something that makes more sense.
Gip, I hope you noticed that ranking is so skewed, it's ridiculous. They have a bunch of guys rated lower at their position ranked higher. I could probably come up with something that makes more sense.
Why is the ranking skewed? Simply because you disagree with it? CBS is pretty well respected. And from what I have seen so far this year....which is some.....Rudolph HAS been the best looking QB of all that I have seen.
But I am not jumping on his bandwagon or into his camp....but the fact remains.....this guy WILL be a factor when it comes to who the top QB taken will be.
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Re: Drafting Rudolph, Mayfield, Jackson or Darnold at #1.
Just so I can keep laughing and this franchise can fold eventually.
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I like Rashaad Penny from SDSU. Quite a night he had last night, granted against Nevada who stinks and it's the Mountain West which also stinks for the most part but he's had solid games against ASU and Stanford this season.
I like Penny too. Bryce Love has been amazing in every game I've seen this year (which was like 2 games, but still) he was averaging over 10 YPC more than halfway thru the season.
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Gip, I hope you noticed that ranking is so skewed, it's ridiculous. They have a bunch of guys rated lower at their position ranked higher. I could probably come up with something that makes more sense.
Why is the ranking skewed? Simply because you disagree with it? CBS is pretty well respected. And from what I have seen so far this year....which is some.....Rudolph HAS been the best looking QB of all that I have seen.
But I am not jumping on his bandwagon or into his camp....but the fact remains.....this guy WILL be a factor when it comes to who the top QB taken will be.
Why is the ranking skewed? Simply because you disagree with it? CBS is pretty well respected. And from what I have seen so far this year....which is some.....Rudolph HAS been the best looking QB of all that I have seen.
But I am not jumping on his bandwagon or into his camp....but the fact remains.....this guy WILL be a factor when it comes to who the top QB taken will be.
It's not the only ranking out there Gip. Still way early, but Rosen is better than #18. Walter Football which runs a pretty good mock BTW, has him going #3 to the Giants.
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Why is the ranking skewed? Simply because you disagree with it? CBS is pretty well respected. And from what I have seen so far this year....which is some.....Rudolph HAS been the best looking QB of all that I have seen.
But I am not jumping on his bandwagon or into his camp....but the fact remains.....this guy WILL be a factor when it comes to who the top QB taken will be.
It's not the only ranking out there Gip. Still way early, but Rosen is better than #18. Walter Football which runs a pretty good mock BTW, has him going #3 to the Giants.
It's not the only ranking out there Gip. Still way early, but Rosen is better than #18. Walter Football which runs a pretty good mock BTW, has him going #3 to the Giants.
We can be one day before the draft and these services can have wide variations. Last year there were still some just before the draft that were saying that Trubisky should be a second rounder....and we know what happened.
Are you telling me that you want until The Voice of God on these matters...Mel Kiper...gives his opinion?
Maybe CBS took a lot of the negative said about Rosen into account in their rating (that he is the real live personification of Bo Callahan? That his teammates wouldn't attend his birthday party?)
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The A&M comeback was incredible.
The A&M comeback made me not like Rosen. Not once but twice he made bad decisions on passes that should have been easily picked off. When you coupled that with the hype he had coming into the season I was turned off on what I saw.
Though I admit it was a limited sample size. When I tuned in to see the USC game it was like watching a different QB. Loved what I saw and still do. The ability both Rosen and Benkert have shown is, to date, far more complete than Mayfield, Rudolph, Darnold and Jackson.
So much that it's not even really close.
edit: @Tour. Looks like we're agreeing on not just one but two QB's. In the same draft no less. Screen shot the Sheet out of this and make it the background on your phone. Might never happen again.
The A&M comeback made me not like Rosen. Not once but twice he made bad decisions on passes that should have been easily picked off. When you coupled that with the hype he had coming into the season I was turned off on what I saw.
Though I admit it was a limited sample size. When I tuned in to see the USC game it was like watching a different QB. Loved what I saw and still do. The ability both Rosen and Benkert have shown is, to date, far more complete than Mayfield, Rudolph, Darnold and Jackson.
So much that it's not even really close.
edit: @Tour. Looks like we're agreeing on not just one but two QB's. In the same draft no less. Screen shot the Sheet out of this and make it the background on your phone. Might never happen again.
lol... was just verifying the same via PM... could be the first sign of the end-times...
Same take on Rosen's A&M game... think I wrote up as much at the time, that he got away with a couple. The difference was then that they were down... far down... and the clock was ticking. He made throws he had to try, ones he has now shown me he has the sense to not try under better circumstances.
And that's a pro-level trait.
And just look at his freakin' eyes... kid looks impervious to pressure.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
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Gip, I hope you noticed that ranking is so skewed, it's ridiculous. They have a bunch of guys rated lower at their position ranked higher. I could probably come up with something that makes more sense.
Gip, I hope you noticed that ranking is so skewed, it's ridiculous. They have a bunch of guys rated lower at their position ranked higher. I could probably come up with something that makes more sense.
Why is the ranking skewed? Simply because you disagree with it? CBS is pretty well respected. And from what I have seen so far this year....which is some.....Rudolph HAS been the best looking QB of all that I have seen.
But I am not jumping on his bandwagon or into his camp....but the fact remains.....this guy WILL be a factor when it comes to who the top QB taken will be.
What h has pointed out that you are running into, Gip, is that CBS' rankings, which we know you love, are powered by DraftScout, which we know I love.
The problem that CBS has, is that DraftScout has not and will not merge their 2019 (or 2020) underclass ranking into their 2018 Senior class ranking until players begin declaring. So CBS is "winging it" at present.
Here is link to DS's 2018 QB Class with Rudolph (R-2/3) a falling to 2nd behind Mayfield (R2). http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=QB&draftyear=2018&sortorder=tsxpos&order=ASC
And here is the link to DS's 2019 class with Rosen (R1) in the Top Spot above a falling Allen (R1), Jackson (R1) and, surprisingly, my former darkhorse nominee, Nick Fitzgerald (R-1/2). http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=QB&draftyear=2019&sortorder=tsxpos&order=ASC
If you want to believe Rudolph comes out on top when DS merges, be my guest... but please... let me know if you'd "like to make it interesting."
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Saw more from Rosen in one play alone than I've seen from Mayfield in 2 & 1/2 games.
@2:44. Honestly, just watch. You have to appreciate all you just saw on this play. Downfield vision, poise, pocket presence and awareness then finally, identifying and delivering.
Saw more from Rosen in one play alone than I've seen from Mayfield in 2 & 1/2 games.
@2:44. Honestly, just watch. You have to appreciate all you just saw on this play. Downfield vision, poise, pocket presence and awareness then finally, identifying and delivering.
3:09 for me was eye opening. I rewound that play a couple times when i watched the game cause i was like "how?". Edge guy was closing on him and rosen froze him with a little hitch/pump that gave his rec an extra fraction of a sec to get free. This kid is seriously talented.
I have no hedges with him but i would like to see him out on a few more lbs just to increase his chances of survival in clev. He will take shots here
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Gip, I hope you noticed that ranking is so skewed, it's ridiculous. They have a bunch of guys rated lower at their position ranked higher. I could probably come up with something that makes more sense.
Why is the ranking skewed? Simply because you disagree with it? CBS is pretty well respected. And from what I have seen so far this year....which is some.....Rudolph HAS been the best looking QB of all that I have seen.
But I am not jumping on his bandwagon or into his camp....but the fact remains.....this guy WILL be a factor when it comes to who the top QB taken will be.
What h has pointed out that you are running into, Gip, is that CBS' rankings, which we know you love, are powered by DraftScout, which we know I love.
The problem that CBS has, is that DraftScout has not and will not merge their 2019 (or 2020) underclass ranking into their 2018 Senior class ranking until players begin declaring. So CBS is "winging it" at present.
Here is link to DS's 2018 QB Class with Rudolph (R-2/3) a falling to 2nd behind Mayfield (R2). http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=QB&draftyear=2018&sortorder=tsxpos&order=ASC
And here is the link to DS's 2019 class with Rosen (R1) in the Top Spot above a falling Allen (R1), Jackson (R1) and, surprisingly, my former darkhorse nominee, Nick Fitzgerald (R-1/2). http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=QB&draftyear=2019&sortorder=tsxpos&order=ASC
If you want to believe Rudolph comes out on top when DS merges, be my guest... but please... let me know if you'd "like to make it interesting."
What h has pointed out that you are running into, Gip, is that CBS' rankings, which we know you love, are powered by DraftScout, which we know I love.
The problem that CBS has, is that DraftScout has not and will not merge their 2019 (or 2020) underclass ranking into their 2018 Senior class ranking until players begin declaring. So CBS is "winging it" at present.
Here is link to DS's 2018 QB Class with Rudolph (R-2/3) a falling to 2nd behind Mayfield (R2). http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=QB&draftyear=2018&sortorder=tsxpos&order=ASC
And here is the link to DS's 2019 class with Rosen (R1) in the Top Spot above a falling Allen (R1), Jackson (R1) and, surprisingly, my former darkhorse nominee, Nick Fitzgerald (R-1/2). http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=QB&draftyear=2019&sortorder=tsxpos&order=ASC
If you want to believe Rudolph comes out on top when DS merges, be my guest... but please... let me know if you'd "like to make it interesting."
I don't think that there is any "Problem" really. All I am saying is that right here, right now, they have Rudolph on top. And yes, just like everyone else, these rankings will be revived when we know all who are going to declare...and when there is more intensive scouting of them.
Point simply being....Rudolph will be a factor in the issue of which QB goes #1....just like Trubisky was last year.
Beyond that, I don't see where they have left any of the usual suspects off of their rankings because they are at this point undeclared underclassmen. Maybe Darnold perhaps....but Rudolph is in there...as is Rosen...and just about everyone else. So, at this point it seems that they have all been evaluated equally....and that in their minds at least Rudolph has come out on top so far.
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The A&M comeback made me not like Rosen. Not once but twice he made bad decisions on passes that should have been easily picked off. When you coupled that with the hype he had coming into the season I was turned off on what I saw.
Though I admit it was a limited sample size. When I tuned in to see the USC game it was like watching a different QB. Loved what I saw and still do. The ability both Rosen and Benkert have shown is, to date, far more complete than Mayfield, Rudolph, Darnold and Jackson.
So much that it's not even really close.
edit: @Tour. Looks like we're agreeing on not just one but two QB's. In the same draft no less. Screen shot the Sheet out of this and make it the background on your phone. Might never happen again.
lol... was just verifying the same via PM... could be the first sign of the end-times...
Same take on Rosen's A&M game... think I wrote up as much at the time, that he got away with a couple. The difference was then that they were down... far down... and the clock was ticking. He made throws he had to try, ones he has now shown me he has the sense to not try under better circumstances.
And that's a pro-level trait.
And just look at his freakin' eyes... kid looks impervious to pressure.
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Saw more from Rosen in one play alone than I've seen from Mayfield in 2 & 1/2 games.
@2:44. Honestly, just watch. You have to appreciate all you just saw on this play. Downfield vision, poise, pocket presence and awareness then finally, identifying and delivering.
3:09 for me was eye opening. I rewound that play a couple times when i watched the game cause i was like "how?". Edge guy was closing on him and rosen froze him with a little hitch/pump that gave his rec an extra fraction of a sec to get free. This kid is seriously talented.
I have no hedges with him but i would like to see him out on a few more lbs just to increase his chances of survival in clev. He will take shots here
I have no hedges with him but i would like to see him out on a few more lbs just to increase his chances of survival in clev. He will take shots here
If you saw the Miami game then you saw him take a helluva shot there... and bounce right back up after the completed pass looking to the sideline for the next play... which he often does prior to the whistle.
I tell ya.. the kid plays so effin' relaxed... that he just kinda folds up lessening rather than magnifying the blow. That whole flexibility thing is the Brady principle for longevity. So while Rosen will fill out with time, not sure I want him to muscle up...
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What h has pointed out that you are running into, Gip, is that CBS' rankings, which we know you love, are powered by DraftScout, which we know I love.
The problem that CBS has, is that DraftScout has not and will not merge their 2019 (or 2020) underclass ranking into their 2018 Senior class ranking until players begin declaring. So CBS is "winging it" at present.
Here is link to DS's 2018 QB Class with Rudolph (R-2/3) a falling to 2nd behind Mayfield (R2). http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=QB&draftyear=2018&sortorder=tsxpos&order=ASC
And here is the link to DS's 2019 class with Rosen (R1) in the Top Spot above a falling Allen (R1), Jackson (R1) and, surprisingly, my former darkhorse nominee, Nick Fitzgerald (R-1/2). http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=QB&draftyear=2019&sortorder=tsxpos&order=ASC
If you want to believe Rudolph comes out on top when DS merges, be my guest... but please... let me know if you'd "like to make it interesting."
I don't think that there is any "Problem" really. All I am saying is that right here, right now, they have Rudolph on top. And yes, just like everyone else, these rankings will be revived when we know all who are going to declare...and when there is more intensive scouting of them.
Point simply being....Rudolph will be a factor in the issue of which QB goes #1....just like Trubisky was last year.
Beyond that, I don't see where they have left any of the usual suspects off of their rankings because they are at this point undeclared underclassmen. Maybe Darnold perhaps....but Rudolph is in there...as is Rosen...and just about everyone else. So, at this point it seems that they have all been evaluated equally....and that in their minds at least Rudolph has come out on top so far.
I don't think that there is any "Problem" really. All I am saying is that right here, right now, they have Rudolph on top. And yes, just like everyone else, these rankings will be revived when we know all who are going to declare...and when there is more intensive scouting of them.
Point simply being....Rudolph will be a factor in the issue of which QB goes #1....just like Trubisky was last year.
Beyond that, I don't see where they have left any of the usual suspects off of their rankings because they are at this point undeclared underclassmen. Maybe Darnold perhaps....but Rudolph is in there...as is Rosen...and just about everyone else. So, at this point it seems that they have all been evaluated equally....and that in their minds at least Rudolph has come out on top so far.
I can only clue you in on what's happening, Gip.
Again... Care to make it interesting? Two bet parlay?
- Part 1: What round Rudolph goes in.
- Part 2: How many QBs are taken before him?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I don't think that there is any "Problem" really. All I am saying is that right here, right now, they have Rudolph on top. And yes, just like everyone else, these rankings will be revived when we know all who are going to declare...and when there is more intensive scouting of them.
Point simply being....Rudolph will be a factor in the issue of which QB goes #1....just like Trubisky was last year.
Beyond that, I don't see where they have left any of the usual suspects off of their rankings because they are at this point undeclared underclassmen. Maybe Darnold perhaps....but Rudolph is in there...as is Rosen...and just about everyone else. So, at this point it seems that they have all been evaluated equally....and that in their minds at least Rudolph has come out on top so far.
I can only clue you in on what's happening, Gip.
Again... Care to make it interesting? Two bet parlay?
- Part 1: What round Rudolph goes in.
- Part 2: How many QBs are taken before him?
I can only clue you in on what's happening, Gip.
Again... Care to make it interesting? Two bet parlay?
- Part 1: What round Rudolph goes in.
- Part 2: How many QBs are taken before him?
It is really not that important to me. The only thing I am interested in is if he or whoever is taken by the Browns. I said I am not joining any camps. And by what I said here is merely reporting that a fairly well respected source has him at the top of the heap. And that when I have seen him he looks pretty good.
We have 6 more games in this season...and we are going on about this? What if the Browns win all 6? Then where will we be?
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I have no hedges with him but i would like to see him out on a few more lbs just to increase his chances of survival in clev. He will take shots here
If you saw the Miami game then you saw him take a helluva shot there... and bounce right back up after the completed pass looking to the sideline for the next play... which he often does prior to the whistle.
I tell ya.. the kid plays so effin' relaxed... that he just kinda folds up lessening rather than magnifying the blow. That whole flexibility thing is the Brady principle for longevity. So while Rosen will fill out with time, not sure I want him to muscle up...
If you saw the Miami game then you saw him take a helluva shot there... and bounce right back up after the completed pass
Was that shot followed up with two more back to back jacks to the lower lumbar from free riding green lighted primary edge rushers? U know, a real first energy special?
a combine interview question ought to revolve around pictures of typical cleveland clowd cover in the fall. So josh, do u like these pictures? Do u appreciate nice fluffy clouds? U do ok great i think we can confirtably say welcome to clev josh
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