The 'who have you watched lately?' thread.
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The A&M comeback was incredible.
The A&M comeback made me not like Rosen. Not once but twice he made bad decisions on passes that should have been easily picked off. When you coupled that with the hype he had coming into the season I was turned off on what I saw.
Though I admit it was a limited sample size. When I tuned in to see the USC game it was like watching a different QB. Loved what I saw and still do. The ability both Rosen and Benkert have shown is, to date, far more complete than Mayfield, Rudolph, Darnold and Jackson.
So much that it's not even really close.
edit: @Tour. Looks like we're agreeing on not just one but two QB's. In the same draft no less. Screen shot the Sheet out of this and make it the background on your phone. Might never happen again.
The A&M comeback made me not like Rosen. Not once but twice he made bad decisions on passes that should have been easily picked off. When you coupled that with the hype he had coming into the season I was turned off on what I saw.
Though I admit it was a limited sample size. When I tuned in to see the USC game it was like watching a different QB. Loved what I saw and still do. The ability both Rosen and Benkert have shown is, to date, far more complete than Mayfield, Rudolph, Darnold and Jackson.
So much that it's not even really close.
edit: @Tour. Looks like we're agreeing on not just one but two QB's. In the same draft no less. Screen shot the Sheet out of this and make it the background on your phone. Might never happen again.
lol... was just verifying the same via PM... could be the first sign of the end-times...
Same take on Rosen's A&M game... think I wrote up as much at the time, that he got away with a couple. The difference was then that they were down... far down... and the clock was ticking. He made throws he had to try, ones he has now shown me he has the sense to not try under better circumstances.
And that's a pro-level trait.
And just look at his freakin' eyes... kid looks impervious to pressure.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
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Gip, I hope you noticed that ranking is so skewed, it's ridiculous. They have a bunch of guys rated lower at their position ranked higher. I could probably come up with something that makes more sense.
Gip, I hope you noticed that ranking is so skewed, it's ridiculous. They have a bunch of guys rated lower at their position ranked higher. I could probably come up with something that makes more sense.
Why is the ranking skewed? Simply because you disagree with it? CBS is pretty well respected. And from what I have seen so far this year....which is some.....Rudolph HAS been the best looking QB of all that I have seen.
But I am not jumping on his bandwagon or into his camp....but the fact remains.....this guy WILL be a factor when it comes to who the top QB taken will be.
What h has pointed out that you are running into, Gip, is that CBS' rankings, which we know you love, are powered by DraftScout, which we know I love.
The problem that CBS has, is that DraftScout has not and will not merge their 2019 (or 2020) underclass ranking into their 2018 Senior class ranking until players begin declaring. So CBS is "winging it" at present.
Here is link to DS's 2018 QB Class with Rudolph (R-2/3) a falling to 2nd behind Mayfield (R2). http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=QB&draftyear=2018&sortorder=tsxpos&order=ASC
And here is the link to DS's 2019 class with Rosen (R1) in the Top Spot above a falling Allen (R1), Jackson (R1) and, surprisingly, my former darkhorse nominee, Nick Fitzgerald (R-1/2). http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=QB&draftyear=2019&sortorder=tsxpos&order=ASC
If you want to believe Rudolph comes out on top when DS merges, be my guest... but please... let me know if you'd "like to make it interesting."
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Saw more from Rosen in one play alone than I've seen from Mayfield in 2 & 1/2 games.
@2:44. Honestly, just watch. You have to appreciate all you just saw on this play. Downfield vision, poise, pocket presence and awareness then finally, identifying and delivering.
Saw more from Rosen in one play alone than I've seen from Mayfield in 2 & 1/2 games.
@2:44. Honestly, just watch. You have to appreciate all you just saw on this play. Downfield vision, poise, pocket presence and awareness then finally, identifying and delivering.
3:09 for me was eye opening. I rewound that play a couple times when i watched the game cause i was like "how?". Edge guy was closing on him and rosen froze him with a little hitch/pump that gave his rec an extra fraction of a sec to get free. This kid is seriously talented.
I have no hedges with him but i would like to see him out on a few more lbs just to increase his chances of survival in clev. He will take shots here
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Gip, I hope you noticed that ranking is so skewed, it's ridiculous. They have a bunch of guys rated lower at their position ranked higher. I could probably come up with something that makes more sense.
Why is the ranking skewed? Simply because you disagree with it? CBS is pretty well respected. And from what I have seen so far this year....which is some.....Rudolph HAS been the best looking QB of all that I have seen.
But I am not jumping on his bandwagon or into his camp....but the fact remains.....this guy WILL be a factor when it comes to who the top QB taken will be.
What h has pointed out that you are running into, Gip, is that CBS' rankings, which we know you love, are powered by DraftScout, which we know I love.
The problem that CBS has, is that DraftScout has not and will not merge their 2019 (or 2020) underclass ranking into their 2018 Senior class ranking until players begin declaring. So CBS is "winging it" at present.
Here is link to DS's 2018 QB Class with Rudolph (R-2/3) a falling to 2nd behind Mayfield (R2). http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=QB&draftyear=2018&sortorder=tsxpos&order=ASC
And here is the link to DS's 2019 class with Rosen (R1) in the Top Spot above a falling Allen (R1), Jackson (R1) and, surprisingly, my former darkhorse nominee, Nick Fitzgerald (R-1/2). http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=QB&draftyear=2019&sortorder=tsxpos&order=ASC
If you want to believe Rudolph comes out on top when DS merges, be my guest... but please... let me know if you'd "like to make it interesting."
What h has pointed out that you are running into, Gip, is that CBS' rankings, which we know you love, are powered by DraftScout, which we know I love.
The problem that CBS has, is that DraftScout has not and will not merge their 2019 (or 2020) underclass ranking into their 2018 Senior class ranking until players begin declaring. So CBS is "winging it" at present.
Here is link to DS's 2018 QB Class with Rudolph (R-2/3) a falling to 2nd behind Mayfield (R2). http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=QB&draftyear=2018&sortorder=tsxpos&order=ASC
And here is the link to DS's 2019 class with Rosen (R1) in the Top Spot above a falling Allen (R1), Jackson (R1) and, surprisingly, my former darkhorse nominee, Nick Fitzgerald (R-1/2). http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=QB&draftyear=2019&sortorder=tsxpos&order=ASC
If you want to believe Rudolph comes out on top when DS merges, be my guest... but please... let me know if you'd "like to make it interesting."
I don't think that there is any "Problem" really. All I am saying is that right here, right now, they have Rudolph on top. And yes, just like everyone else, these rankings will be revived when we know all who are going to declare...and when there is more intensive scouting of them.
Point simply being....Rudolph will be a factor in the issue of which QB goes #1....just like Trubisky was last year.
Beyond that, I don't see where they have left any of the usual suspects off of their rankings because they are at this point undeclared underclassmen. Maybe Darnold perhaps....but Rudolph is in there...as is Rosen...and just about everyone else. So, at this point it seems that they have all been evaluated equally....and that in their minds at least Rudolph has come out on top so far.
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The A&M comeback made me not like Rosen. Not once but twice he made bad decisions on passes that should have been easily picked off. When you coupled that with the hype he had coming into the season I was turned off on what I saw.
Though I admit it was a limited sample size. When I tuned in to see the USC game it was like watching a different QB. Loved what I saw and still do. The ability both Rosen and Benkert have shown is, to date, far more complete than Mayfield, Rudolph, Darnold and Jackson.
So much that it's not even really close.
edit: @Tour. Looks like we're agreeing on not just one but two QB's. In the same draft no less. Screen shot the Sheet out of this and make it the background on your phone. Might never happen again.
lol... was just verifying the same via PM... could be the first sign of the end-times...
Same take on Rosen's A&M game... think I wrote up as much at the time, that he got away with a couple. The difference was then that they were down... far down... and the clock was ticking. He made throws he had to try, ones he has now shown me he has the sense to not try under better circumstances.
And that's a pro-level trait.
And just look at his freakin' eyes... kid looks impervious to pressure.
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Saw more from Rosen in one play alone than I've seen from Mayfield in 2 & 1/2 games.
@2:44. Honestly, just watch. You have to appreciate all you just saw on this play. Downfield vision, poise, pocket presence and awareness then finally, identifying and delivering.
3:09 for me was eye opening. I rewound that play a couple times when i watched the game cause i was like "how?". Edge guy was closing on him and rosen froze him with a little hitch/pump that gave his rec an extra fraction of a sec to get free. This kid is seriously talented.
I have no hedges with him but i would like to see him out on a few more lbs just to increase his chances of survival in clev. He will take shots here
I have no hedges with him but i would like to see him out on a few more lbs just to increase his chances of survival in clev. He will take shots here
If you saw the Miami game then you saw him take a helluva shot there... and bounce right back up after the completed pass looking to the sideline for the next play... which he often does prior to the whistle.
I tell ya.. the kid plays so effin' relaxed... that he just kinda folds up lessening rather than magnifying the blow. That whole flexibility thing is the Brady principle for longevity. So while Rosen will fill out with time, not sure I want him to muscle up...
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What h has pointed out that you are running into, Gip, is that CBS' rankings, which we know you love, are powered by DraftScout, which we know I love.
The problem that CBS has, is that DraftScout has not and will not merge their 2019 (or 2020) underclass ranking into their 2018 Senior class ranking until players begin declaring. So CBS is "winging it" at present.
Here is link to DS's 2018 QB Class with Rudolph (R-2/3) a falling to 2nd behind Mayfield (R2). http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=QB&draftyear=2018&sortorder=tsxpos&order=ASC
And here is the link to DS's 2019 class with Rosen (R1) in the Top Spot above a falling Allen (R1), Jackson (R1) and, surprisingly, my former darkhorse nominee, Nick Fitzgerald (R-1/2). http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=QB&draftyear=2019&sortorder=tsxpos&order=ASC
If you want to believe Rudolph comes out on top when DS merges, be my guest... but please... let me know if you'd "like to make it interesting."
I don't think that there is any "Problem" really. All I am saying is that right here, right now, they have Rudolph on top. And yes, just like everyone else, these rankings will be revived when we know all who are going to declare...and when there is more intensive scouting of them.
Point simply being....Rudolph will be a factor in the issue of which QB goes #1....just like Trubisky was last year.
Beyond that, I don't see where they have left any of the usual suspects off of their rankings because they are at this point undeclared underclassmen. Maybe Darnold perhaps....but Rudolph is in there...as is Rosen...and just about everyone else. So, at this point it seems that they have all been evaluated equally....and that in their minds at least Rudolph has come out on top so far.
I don't think that there is any "Problem" really. All I am saying is that right here, right now, they have Rudolph on top. And yes, just like everyone else, these rankings will be revived when we know all who are going to declare...and when there is more intensive scouting of them.
Point simply being....Rudolph will be a factor in the issue of which QB goes #1....just like Trubisky was last year.
Beyond that, I don't see where they have left any of the usual suspects off of their rankings because they are at this point undeclared underclassmen. Maybe Darnold perhaps....but Rudolph is in there...as is Rosen...and just about everyone else. So, at this point it seems that they have all been evaluated equally....and that in their minds at least Rudolph has come out on top so far.
I can only clue you in on what's happening, Gip.
Again... Care to make it interesting? Two bet parlay?
- Part 1: What round Rudolph goes in.
- Part 2: How many QBs are taken before him?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I don't think that there is any "Problem" really. All I am saying is that right here, right now, they have Rudolph on top. And yes, just like everyone else, these rankings will be revived when we know all who are going to declare...and when there is more intensive scouting of them.
Point simply being....Rudolph will be a factor in the issue of which QB goes #1....just like Trubisky was last year.
Beyond that, I don't see where they have left any of the usual suspects off of their rankings because they are at this point undeclared underclassmen. Maybe Darnold perhaps....but Rudolph is in there...as is Rosen...and just about everyone else. So, at this point it seems that they have all been evaluated equally....and that in their minds at least Rudolph has come out on top so far.
I can only clue you in on what's happening, Gip.
Again... Care to make it interesting? Two bet parlay?
- Part 1: What round Rudolph goes in.
- Part 2: How many QBs are taken before him?
I can only clue you in on what's happening, Gip.
Again... Care to make it interesting? Two bet parlay?
- Part 1: What round Rudolph goes in.
- Part 2: How many QBs are taken before him?
It is really not that important to me. The only thing I am interested in is if he or whoever is taken by the Browns. I said I am not joining any camps. And by what I said here is merely reporting that a fairly well respected source has him at the top of the heap. And that when I have seen him he looks pretty good.
We have 6 more games in this season...and we are going on about this? What if the Browns win all 6? Then where will we be?
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I have no hedges with him but i would like to see him out on a few more lbs just to increase his chances of survival in clev. He will take shots here
If you saw the Miami game then you saw him take a helluva shot there... and bounce right back up after the completed pass looking to the sideline for the next play... which he often does prior to the whistle.
I tell ya.. the kid plays so effin' relaxed... that he just kinda folds up lessening rather than magnifying the blow. That whole flexibility thing is the Brady principle for longevity. So while Rosen will fill out with time, not sure I want him to muscle up...
If you saw the Miami game then you saw him take a helluva shot there... and bounce right back up after the completed pass
Was that shot followed up with two more back to back jacks to the lower lumbar from free riding green lighted primary edge rushers? U know, a real first energy special?
a combine interview question ought to revolve around pictures of typical cleveland clowd cover in the fall. So josh, do u like these pictures? Do u appreciate nice fluffy clouds? U do ok great i think we can confirtably say welcome to clev josh
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I can only clue you in on what's happening, Gip.
Again... Care to make it interesting? Two bet parlay?
- Part 1: What round Rudolph goes in.
- Part 2: How many QBs are taken before him?
It is really not that important to me. The only thing I am interested in is if he or whoever is taken by the Browns. I said I am not joining any camps. And by what I said here is merely reporting that a fairly well respected source has him at the top of the heap. And that when I have seen him he looks pretty good.
We have 6 more games in this season...and we are going on about this? What if the Browns win all 6? Then where will we be?
It is really not that important to me. The only thing I am interested in is if he or whoever is taken by the Browns. I said I am not joining any camps. And by what I said here is merely reporting that a fairly well respected source has him at the top of the heap. And that when I have seen him he looks pretty good.
We have 6 more games in this season...and we are going on about this? What if the Browns win all 6? Then where will we be?
Har, the odds of the Browns winning all six are about the same as the earth getting hit by an asteroid.
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I can only clue you in on what's happening, Gip.
Again... Care to make it interesting? Two bet parlay?
- Part 1: What round Rudolph goes in.
- Part 2: How many QBs are taken before him?
It is really not that important to me. The only thing I am interested in is if he or whoever is taken by the Browns. I said I am not joining any camps. And by what I said here is merely reporting that a fairly well respected source has him at the top of the heap. And that when I have seen him he looks pretty good.
We have 6 more games in this season...and we are going on about this? What if the Browns win all 6? Then where will we be?
Then where will we be?
Survey question? Imma go with... sitting pretty with a franchise grade QB already rostered.
You don't have to be in a camp to bet... just have a little conviction.
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It is really not that important to me. The only thing I am interested in is if he or whoever is taken by the Browns. I said I am not joining any camps. And by what I said here is merely reporting that a fairly well respected source has him at the top of the heap. And that when I have seen him he looks pretty good.
We have 6 more games in this season...and we are going on about this? What if the Browns win all 6? Then where will we be?
Har, the odds of the Browns winning all six are about the same as the earth getting hit by an asteroid.
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I saw some other highlights of Rosen, but I wanted to post the Texas A&M video again in case people don't go back in the thread (I didn't see turn on this page but I could've missed it).
I think this game shows both the highs and the lows of what Rosen brings to the table. Now to be fair to Rosen, it didn't appear that his OL did him many favors. Perhaps it's because Aggies knew he had to pass late in the game, but the guy was running for his life more often than not. Additionally, there were a few times his receivers let him down, as I counted at least two dropped touchdowns, including a potential game-tying drop at the end. However, one receiver COMPLETELY bailed him out on that deep toss into double coverage, so maybe it balances out somewhat. Rosen definitely looked like he locks onto primary reads, and his decision making was spotty. Several times he just threw it up for grabs under pressure, and a few were beyond awful.
This isn't to say his performance was all bad, in fact, far from it. He definitely looks to step up in the pocket, and he's not afraid to run when he has to. Additionally, he keeps his eyes down the field and will hurt teams that way. There isn't a throw he won't attempt, and the ball seemingly explodes from his hand. I don't love the fact he dropped several snaps, and one INT came from picking up the ball and blindly throwing it to the defense. Conversely, he picked up another snap and made a perfect throw. He's got talent, no question. But he's far from perfect. I don't have time to write anymore, but I'll look more into him later. Happy Thanksgiving all!
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Be sure to include some 2017 tape...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Be sure to include some 2017 tape...
LOL! Sorry Tour. Not sure how I missed that.
I'm watching more and more of Rosen, and I gotta tell you...he's got what I'm looking for. He really does.
So what do I like? The obvious answer is he's got arm talent out the wazoo. He's not afraid to throw over the middle, and he'll fire into tight windows, which is required in red zone execution. Very clean delivery, not a whole lot of wasted movement. I've seen him look down the field and then quickly check down, which is something I absolutely love in a QB. He's very accurate with those bubble screens to WRs, and doesn't throw low or behind that often (Ahem, Kizer). Perhaps my favorite trait is his ability to calmly "climb" the pocket and keep his head up. He's also shown that he'll take a hit while delivering a strike. Has nice timing on RB screens and really sells the play without panicking. Has a calmness about him and did I mention I love his passes over the middle and down the seam?
Rosen isn't perfect, and there will be some who nitpick him to death, but I see him being the first player taken in the draft, and I believe it'll be almost a consensus pick by the time the draft gets here.
Rosen is my #1, (did I mention he can throw an end zone fade pass? Ahem, Kizer), but my number 2 is Lamar Jackson. I realize Lamar is nowhere near as refined, but when you go back and watch what he can do, he really gets you wondering. It's not like the guy can't throw or anything, quite the contrary. Lamar can throw it with absurd accuracy and he'll attack both the middle and the sidelines. His ability to make a play on 3rd down is legendary, and if it's 3rd and short, he puts a TON of pressure on the defense because of his running abilities. Lamar basically farts 5 yards every time he takes off, and he's a guy who can gash for 20 yards and prance out of bounds without taking a hit. He's extremely sudden and possesses almost unfair acceleration. If we don't draft him, and I'm hoping we get Rosen, Lamar is a guy I'm be watching with a ton of interest.
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Be sure to include some 2017 tape...
LOL! Sorry Tour. Not sure how I missed that.
I'm watching more and more of Rosen, and I gotta tell you...he's got what I'm looking for. He really does.
So what do I like? The obvious answer is he's got arm talent out the wazoo. He's not afraid to throw over the middle, and he'll fire into tight windows, which is required in red zone execution. Very clean delivery, not a whole lot of wasted movement. I've seen him look down the field and then quickly check down, which is something I absolutely love in a QB. He's very accurate with those bubble screens to WRs, and doesn't throw low or behind that often (Ahem, Kizer). Perhaps my favorite trait is his ability to calmly "climb" the pocket and keep his head up. He's also shown that he'll take a hit while delivering a strike. Has nice timing on RB screens and really sells the play without panicking. Has a calmness about him and did I mention I love his passes over the middle and down the seam?
Rosen isn't perfect, and there will be some who nitpick him to death, but I see him being the first player taken in the draft, and I believe it'll be almost a consensus pick by the time the draft gets here.
Rosen is my #1, (did I mention he can throw an end zone fade pass? Ahem, Kizer), but my number 2 is Lamar Jackson. I realize Lamar is nowhere near as refined, but when you go back and watch what he can do, he really gets you wondering. It's not like the guy can't throw or anything, quite the contrary. Lamar can throw it with absurd accuracy and he'll attack both the middle and the sidelines. His ability to make a play on 3rd down is legendary, and if it's 3rd and short, he puts a TON of pressure on the defense because of his running abilities. Lamar basically farts 5 yards every time he takes off, and he's a guy who can gash for 20 yards and prance out of bounds without taking a hit. He's extremely sudden and possesses almost unfair acceleration. If we don't draft him, and I'm hoping we get Rosen, Lamar is a guy I'm be watching with a ton of interest.
LOL! Sorry Tour. Not sure how I missed that.
I'm watching more and more of Rosen, and I gotta tell you...he's got what I'm looking for. He really does.
So what do I like? The obvious answer is he's got arm talent out the wazoo. He's not afraid to throw over the middle, and he'll fire into tight windows, which is required in red zone execution. Very clean delivery, not a whole lot of wasted movement. I've seen him look down the field and then quickly check down, which is something I absolutely love in a QB. He's very accurate with those bubble screens to WRs, and doesn't throw low or behind that often (Ahem, Kizer). Perhaps my favorite trait is his ability to calmly "climb" the pocket and keep his head up. He's also shown that he'll take a hit while delivering a strike. Has nice timing on RB screens and really sells the play without panicking. Has a calmness about him and did I mention I love his passes over the middle and down the seam?
Rosen isn't perfect, and there will be some who nitpick him to death, but I see him being the first player taken in the draft, and I believe it'll be almost a consensus pick by the time the draft gets here.
Rosen is my #1, (did I mention he can throw an end zone fade pass? Ahem, Kizer), but my number 2 is Lamar Jackson. I realize Lamar is nowhere near as refined, but when you go back and watch what he can do, he really gets you wondering. It's not like the guy can't throw or anything, quite the contrary. Lamar can throw it with absurd accuracy and he'll attack both the middle and the sidelines. His ability to make a play on 3rd down is legendary, and if it's 3rd and short, he puts a TON of pressure on the defense because of his running abilities. Lamar basically farts 5 yards every time he takes off, and he's a guy who can gash for 20 yards and prance out of bounds without taking a hit. He's extremely sudden and possesses almost unfair acceleration. If we don't draft him, and I'm hoping we get Rosen, Lamar is a guy I'm be watching with a ton of interest.
Two back shoulder strikes for TD's last game right square on the money. and both delivered before the WR even turned his head back to the QB. Find a way to get his favorite receiver too. Nothing like a prior connection as a go to option.
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Yep, love that idea. I don't know anything about his top WR...is he NFL caliber? And I like your point about throwing it before WR turned around. That's throwing with anticipation, and it's something Kizer wasn't able to do in college and hasn't developed it yet in pros.
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