The Browns could land a damaged Andrew Luck for the right price.
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Wait, I'm confused... Are you saying the Browns should trade for Luck AND take a QB #1 overall?
Yes. The Redskins drafted Kirk Cousins as insurance after trading for RG3. Don't put all your eggs in one basket.
Yes. The Redskins drafted Kirk Cousins as insurance after trading for RG3. Don't put all your eggs in one basket.
So if the Browns used their #1 overall on a QB, what would you give up to get Luck?
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Yes. The Redskins drafted Kirk Cousins as insurance after trading for RG3. Don't put all your eggs in one basket.
So if the Browns used their #1 overall on a QB, what would you give up to get Luck?
So if the Browns used their #1 overall on a QB, what would you give up to get Luck?
Kizer?
WSS the
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On the other hand not even that unless anybody here sees Andrew Luck as being a crafty old veteran who could mentor our high draft pick.
Rather than the guy that never lived up to the hype that he actually is.
WSS the
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@boo-fagley said:
Awesome, you have a 49% chance at winning a Super Bowl.
A cursory list - Brady has 5, E Manning has 2, Ben has 2, Wilson has 1, Flacco has 1, Rodgers has 1, Elway has 2. Over the last 15 years the team that drafted its QB has won the Super Bowl.
Eli Manning was drafted by the then San Diego Chargers. It was a hell of a moment to forget about it.
See the enthusiasm?
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@boo-fagley said:
Awesome, you have a 49% chance at winning a Super Bowl.
A cursory list - Brady has 5, E Manning has 2, Ben has 2, Wilson has 1, Flacco has 1, Rodgers has 1, Elway has 2. Over the last 15 years the team that drafted its QB has won the Super Bowl.
Eli Manning was drafted by the then San Diego Chargers. It was a hell of a moment to forget about it.
See the enthusiasm?
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Sounds like my Rosen/Benkert plan...
I would not be shocked if they actually did it. The WR net the cast in 2016 was essentially that approach. And this draft will be the draft to fill our near, QB void.
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@boo-fagley said:
Awesome, you have a 49% chance at winning a Super Bowl.
A cursory list - Brady has 5, E Manning has 2, Ben has 2, Wilson has 1, Flacco has 1, Rodgers has 1, Elway has 2. Over the last 15 years the team that drafted its QB has won the Super Bowl.
Peyton Manning was not drafted by the Broncos.....Colts
Drew Brees was not drafted by the Saints....Chargers
Eli Manning was not drafted by the Giants....Chargers
Brad Johnson was not drafted by the Bucs....Vikings
So you are factually, demonstrably wrong.
And you included Elway....he was not drafted by the Broncos....Colts
And if you are going back....none of these SB winners won with the team that drafted them:
Dilfer
Warner
Young
Favre
Williams
Plunkett
Unitas
Dawson
Theisman
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@boo-fagley said:
I follow along just fine.
Apparently not so much
The person that I responded to was extolling the virtues of a Stanford education as if it is some factor playing QB in the NFL. When in fact playing at Stanford doe not amount to a hill of beans.Just like playing at Harvard. Luck is never going to be Elway. Elway was a winner his whole career going back to Pop Warner. Luck might be the next Jim Plunkett, but Im not betting a dollar that he will be.
Notre Dame is not a QB factory either. A Notre Dame interception looks just like a Stanford interception, though 1 cost more.
I was taking the whole football factor out of it. Sure....a guy that went to Stanford (see Browns #1 overall QB Bobby Garrett) may not have any advantage at playing QB than a guy that went to North Dakota St.
But the fact is....academically speaking, Stanford is right at the top of the pinnacle of education in this country (which makes it there for the entire world).
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Sounds like my Rosen/Benkert plan...
I would not be shocked if they actually did it. The WR net the cast in 2016 was essentially that approach. And this draft will be the draft to fill our near, QB void.
Interesting I've been thinking along the same lines of 1st overall and a 2nd rounder. It's a deeper class than anyone we have now in that position.
EDITL: However if Allen is there to pick in the 2nd, please use it on a WR, FS or some other position of greater need.
While technically accurrate, Gip, many on your list violate the spirit of the discussion, e.g., E. Manning, who never played with the team that drafted him. And many others are simply journeymen who fell into te right situation and/or had a career year. Even P. Manning won one for his original team, so at minimum bsides falling into the right situation he counts on both sides of the argument.
Interesting I've been thinking along the same lines of 1st overall and a 2nd rounder. It's a deeper class than anyone we have now in that position.
EDITL: However if Allen is there to pick in the 2nd, please use it on a WR, FS or some other position of greater need.
First, not sure how you'll know Allen will be there in the 2nd when you are picking #1 overall...
Second, you just may like my "Way Too Early" mock... or at least Round 1.
On the other hand not even that unless anybody here sees Andrew Luck as being a crafty old veteran who could mentor our high draft pick.
Rather than the guy that never lived up to the hype that he actually is.
Not really a fair assessment. Kid had a lot to do with the three 11-5 seasons the Colts posted in his first three years. We know this since about the same Manningless team went 2-14 to win the Luck Lottery.
Or Rudolph/Falk?
Not for me... just not anywhere near the same quality IMO. Not even near anywhere near...
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Sandbagging old chum, sandbagging.
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While technically accurrate, Gip, many on your list violate the spirit of the discussion, e.g., E. Manning, who never played with the team that drafted him. And many others are simply journeymen who fell into te right situation and/or had a career year. Even P. Manning won one for his original team, so at minimum bsides falling into the right situation he counts on both sides of the argument.
Interesting I've been thinking along the same lines of 1st overall and a 2nd rounder. It's a deeper class than anyone we have now in that position.
EDITL: However if Allen is there to pick in the 2nd, please use it on a WR, FS or some other position of greater need.
First, not sure how you'll know Allen will be there in the 2nd when you are picking #1 overall...
Second, you just may like my "Way Too Early" mock... or at least Round 1.
On the other hand not even that unless anybody here sees Andrew Luck as being a crafty old veteran who could mentor our high draft pick.
Rather than the guy that never lived up to the hype that he actually is.
Not really a fair assessment. Kid had a lot to do with the three 11-5 seasons the Colts posted in his first three years. We know this since about the same Manningless team went 2-14 to win the Luck Lottery.
Or Rudolph/Falk?
Not for me... just not anywhere near the same quality IMO. Not even near anywhere near...
While technically accurrate, Gip, many on your list violate the spirit of the discussion, e.g., E. Manning, who never played with the team that drafted him. And many others are simply journeymen who fell into te right situation and/or had a career year. Even P. Manning won one for his original team, so at minimum bsides falling into the right situation he counts on both sides of the argument.
Yes, I know...both Elway and Eli never played for the teams that drafted them...trade right away....and that Peyton did win one for the Colts. Still, like you said....overall it is an accurate list
Not for me... just not anywhere near the same quality IMO. Not even near anywhere near...
Well, that's like just your opinion man! It may be right, it may be wrong. God knows the the only Sure Thing is that Nicollette Sheridan will put out.
On the other hand....it does not look like she has aged all that well:
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Yup.... my opinion... 100%.
And yeah... not well at all, but she wasn't all that to begin with... especially for a tit man like yourself.
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Yup.... my opinion... 100%.
And yeah... not well at all, but she wasn't all that to begin with... especially for a tit man like yourself.
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Luck could be the next JIm Plunkett. Kizer isn't. Hogan and Kessler aren't. He's established and can carry crappy teams to double-digit win seasons. I can't think of a modern day elite QB whose career was derailed by an arm injury.
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@boo-fagley said:
Nice try, but Manning refused to play for SD and never took a snap there.
But he was DRAFTED by them. You were talking about teams that drafted their franchise QB and won a Superbowl. Well, Manning wasn't drafted by the Giants.
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If you've only drafted garbage QB's the past 35 years, why not trade for an established one who could be a steal for the right price. Please focus on the topic at hand.
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@boo-fagley said:
He was a draft day trade.
What the hell are you talking about? I started this thread and it's being bastardized. Stick to the topic.
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@boo-fagley said:
Who cares? Princeton, Yale and Columbia are ranked higher.
And which of them has a sports program that plays at a high level? (btw in the US New ranking, it is 1 Princeton 2. Harvard 3. Univ. of Chicago 4. Yale 5. Stanford (Cornell #14) Forbes has Stanford #2 after Harvard.
Again, who is out there pining for Ryan Fitzpatrick because he graduated from Harvard?
No one...and that is not the point you pinhead.
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@boo-fagley said:
I appreciate you grasping at straws in an attempt to show that youre not wrong.
Its no grasp...it is just bare, bold facts.
E Manning and J Elway never took a single snap for the Chargers or Colts and were draft day trades. The facts speak for themselves.
Yes....the FACTS are that Manning and Elway were not drafted by the Giants or Broncos. They traded for them. Beyond that....those trades did not take place actually on draft day...but a few days later.
The current trend in this day and age and not leather helmet days is that finding your own QB and drafting him is route to go. Just ask Brady, Ben, Rodgers, Wilson, Flacco. Drafted players Newton, Ryan, Kapernick, Mcnabb, Bledsoe, Mcnair, Hasselbeck all made it Super Bowls.
Even when you make a somewhat valid point...you still fuyuck it up. Hasselbeck was drafted by the Packers and spent 2 years there before going to the Seahawks.
Trying to hit the used QB powerball rarely pans out. Throwing away draft picks on a overrated Andy Luck would be a mistake. Its clear by now who he is.
I don't know about "rare"....what do you consider "rare". It has happened enough times even in the last 25 years to it not be considered "rare".
And I am not advocating a trade for Luck....all I am saying is that the Browns have drafted an number of QBs...and they have all pretty much sucked.
Think about it....the guys that have looked halfway decent for the Browns the last 18 years: Hoyer, Anderson, Holcomb......NONE drafted by the Browns. All acquired in some other manner.
I am simply pointing out that there is another way beyond the draft to get a QB that might in fact be halfway decent.
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