Should we draft a quarterback 1st overall?
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So baker is the blue chip?
At this point, any qb at #1 is preferred over another #22 pick or an over drafted 5th rounder.
Rosen plays on a garbage team and runs a more pro style offense. If mayfield totally crushes the combine and the playoffs, maybe he'll move up. The big 12 is an offense only division it seems like.
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So baker is the blue chip?
At this point, any qb at #1 is preferred over another #22 pick or an over drafted 5th rounder.
Rosen plays on a garbage team and runs a more pro style offense. If mayfield totally crushes the combine and the playoffs, maybe he'll move up. The big 12 is an offense only division it seems like.
Rosen plays on a garbage team and runs a more pro style offense. If mayfield totally crushes the combine and the playoffs, maybe he'll move up. The big 12 is an offense only division it seems like.
Rosen plays in a pro style offense and has arguably the best arm out of the draft, but from my intel he's the biggest headcase, immature, and in my opinion, has the highest probability of busting. It should be a red flag to you guys that majority UCLA fans hate Rosen, his former head coach had negative things to say about him, AFC scouts said negative things about him, christ even his high school coach had negative things to say about him. I've read plenty of articles, and the one I read where that Rosen "cared about owning the world more than football". "I have connections that will do me well in life," Rosen said. "I will be OK without football. https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/unfiltered-josh-rosen-speaks-out-about-indentured-servitude-of-college-football/
In my opinion, he comes off as a spoiled entitled brat, and the real life Bo Callahan.
Baker has HIGH UPSIDE. Like Tebow said, if you tailor a spread offense to him like how Houston did with Watson, he'll absolutely kill it. At least Baker plays with passion and finds a way to win. Has Rosen fired up his whole team and led them to victory after victory? You can go ahead and make excuses for him, but one QB is a leader, and the other one has lots of potential, but danger too.
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So the undersized qb who gets tackled by the cops is less of a red flag? I think not. Manziels history will hurt mayfield i think. Nobody wants jff 2.0
UCLA is not a good team. They're not going to win a ton of games in that division. Their coach got fired before the season was even done.
Like others have pointed out, can mayfield read defenses and play under center? I don't know. I love watching him play, but he seems to be a huge gamble.
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Wishful thinking. He'll never be ready. Kizer is a bust.
"He's still young" is not an excuse for overthrowing, throwing in the dirt, or unable to throw in stride to where the receiver has to contort his body to catch a ball giving him no time to do anything after the catches it. --- That is the opinion of Jim Donovan heard on KNR talking to Tony Rizzo.
Never mind about learning to play QB at a higher level, he looks like he's never played the position before and is trying to learn it.
Terelle Pryor would have been a much better QB for the browns.
Kosar was about the same age -BUT- with way more experience in college, surrounded by a better NFL team, maybe better everything including drive and ability.
To totally judge Kizer now is difficult to do the jury is still way out on that one, potential maybe, I think so......with this band of gypsies who knows if we'll ever really know, if he survives this season. Name me one other NFL quarterback past or present in his exact situation right off hand, how'd they do?
Kosar was about the same age -BUT- with way more experience in college, surrounded by a better NFL team, maybe better everything including drive and ability.
To totally judge Kizer now is difficult to do the jury is still way out on that one, potential maybe, I think so......with this band of gypsies who knows if we'll ever really know, if he survives this season. Name me one other NFL quarterback past or present in his exact situation right off hand, how'd they do?
Mathew Stafford was drafted #1 overall by an 0-16 team. He went 2-8 he had 2200 yards 13tds vs Kizer 1500 yards and 5 TDs.
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Taking any QB out of this upcoming draft #1 scares the hell out of me. There's so many red flags for a lot of them. Rosen, Allen, D'Arnold, even Mayfield scares me at freaking #1. Lamar Jackson I think is the safest and most athletic out of this draft class. He might be the only QB i'd take at #1.
Taking any QB out of this upcoming draft #1 scares the hell out of me. There's so many red flags for a lot of them. Rosen, Allen, D'Arnold, even Mayfield scares me at freaking #1. Lamar Jackson I think is the safest and most athletic out of this draft class. He might be the only QB i'd take at #1.
RudolphRudolph
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Taking any QB out of this upcoming draft #1 scares the hell out of me. There's so many red flags for a lot of them. Rosen, Allen, D'Arnold, even Mayfield scares me at freaking #1. Lamar Jackson I think is the safest and most athletic out of this draft class. He might be the only QB i'd take at #1.
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haven't studied him enough yet to formulate an opinion
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RudolphRudolph
haven't studied him enough yet to formulate an opinion
haven't studied him enough yet to formulate an opinion
CBS Sports and maybe a few others have Rudolph ranked as the number one overall prospect. Not just the #1 QB, number one overall at any position.
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RudolphRudolph
haven't studied him enough yet to formulate an opinion
haven't studied him enough yet to formulate an opinion
The big knocks on him it seems is he's a Big 12 QB with a mediocre arm.
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Could be why DraftScout has a 2nd round grade on him...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Mistakes happen but we make them over and over. The Peppers pick is turning out to be just terrible. Here's a first round pick that literally had zero impact stats. He's basically done nothing.
Mistakes happen but we make them over and over. The Peppers pick is turning out to be just terrible. Here's a first round pick that literally had zero impact stats. He's basically done nothing.
Funny, aside from a couple nice returns and some prime positioning - that was essentially what he did in college as well.
If only there had been people with the foresight to see these things...
And if he wants to pull an Eli Manning- we extort the living daylights out of whoever wants him and take Mayfield.
Brilliant. Let's get a ton of draft capital then waste it again.
Lamar Jackson I think is the safest and most athletic out of this draft class. He might be the only QB i'd take at #1.
Out of the previous QB's you listed this is literally the most butt backwards. Again, when you cut out the athletic ability - do you see an NFL QB? Because opposing defensive minds WILL take away his legs. The only time that doesn't happen is if you're Vick and run a 4.3 coupled with incredibly lateral agility. Jackson isn't that compact, I'm afraid.
Actually strike that. Pick freaking Barkley #1 and then pick a QB with our second first round pick. Mayfield should drop because of the crotch incident.
...then you found a way to come up with a worse idea after suggesting Jackson @ #1.
Tim Tebow most likely thinks the world is 6000 years old and is a 30 year old virgin, so....
In all seriousness, it is going to be very entertaining to see draft scouts debate Mayfield. He's going to be polarizing.
Not really. You'll have a handful of people that will recycle the same trash over and over about QB's like him. A few will see through the nonsense. We went through this process 4 years ago.
RudolphRudolph
Might as well just re-sign Weeden.
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Taking any QB out of this upcoming draft #1 scares the hell out of me. There's so many red flags for a lot of them. Rosen, Allen, D'Arnold, even Mayfield scares me at freaking #1. Lamar Jackson I think is the safest and most athletic out of this draft class. He might be the only QB i'd take at #1.
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Well at least for the Christmas time night games he'd have an advantage.
WSS
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RudolphRudolph
Well at least for the Christmas time night games he'd have an advantage.
WSS
Well at least for the Christmas time night games he'd have an advantage.
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No
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We should trade our shot for a franchise QB for 9 so so players...or as Stosh calls them...magic beans.
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haven't studied him enough yet to formulate an opinion
The big knocks on him it seems is he's a Big 12 QB with a mediocre arm.
The big knocks on him it seems is he's a Big 12 QB with a mediocre arm.
Are you talking Rudolph or Mayfield? From the limited amount that I have seen, Rudolph does not appear to have mediocre a mediocre arm. But, being from the Big 12...is a knock on anybody. Both Mayfield and Rudolph.
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Could be why DraftScout has a 2nd round grade on him...
I thought you said that Draft Scout is used by CBS Sports. Yet CBS sports has him listed as the #1 overall prospect.
So...explain that incongruity.
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Mistakes happen but we make them over and over. The Peppers pick is turning out to be just terrible. Here's a first round pick that literally had zero impact stats. He's basically done nothing.
Funny, aside from a couple nice returns and some prime positioning - that was essentially what he did in college as well.
If only there had been people with the foresight to see these things...
And if he wants to pull an Eli Manning- we extort the living daylights out of whoever wants him and take Mayfield.
Brilliant. Let's get a ton of draft capital then waste it again.
Lamar Jackson I think is the safest and most athletic out of this draft class. He might be the only QB i'd take at #1.
Out of the previous QB's you listed this is literally the most butt backwards. Again, when you cut out the athletic ability - do you see an NFL QB? Because opposing defensive minds WILL take away his legs. The only time that doesn't happen is if you're Vick and run a 4.3 coupled with incredibly lateral agility. Jackson isn't that compact, I'm afraid.
Actually strike that. Pick freaking Barkley #1 and then pick a QB with our second first round pick. Mayfield should drop because of the crotch incident.
...then you found a way to come up with a worse idea after suggesting Jackson @ #1.
Tim Tebow most likely thinks the world is 6000 years old and is a 30 year old virgin, so....
In all seriousness, it is going to be very entertaining to see draft scouts debate Mayfield. He's going to be polarizing.
Not really. You'll have a handful of people that will recycle the same trash over and over about QB's like him. A few will see through the nonsense. We went through this process 4 years ago.
RudolphRudolph
Might as well just re-sign Weeden.
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Might as well just re-sign Weeden.
So? You think that with Rudolph we get Weeden 2.0.
And I think with Mayfield we get Manziel 2.0
Maybe we are both right or both wrong.
I guess that is the risk of going for a Big 12 QB.
So....what is the default position? Go for Rosen?
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if this FO is retained they will definitely grab a QB in the first round to save their jobs. Who is the best fit for the Browns? don't know, haven't had time to watch much college football this year. My bet is next year's QB room will be Kizer, McCarron and a rookie, with Kizer starting and the rookie learning for a year or two.
Personally, I think the Browns should stick with Kizer and use the high draft picks on some receivers who can catch. Kizer has the most potential right now and has shown drastic improvement as the season goes on, McCarron is a good backup but I don't think he can carry a franchise. Kessler and Hogan have both been mediocre this year, I'm surprised how far Kessler has regressed and wouldn't be surprised to see him let go after this season. Hogan just gets hurt too easily, a dealbreaker for a Browns QB who will be under a ton of pressure since our tight ends have trouble blocking.
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