Should we draft a quarterback 1st overall?
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Could be why DraftScout has a 2nd round grade on him...
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Mistakes happen but we make them over and over. The Peppers pick is turning out to be just terrible. Here's a first round pick that literally had zero impact stats. He's basically done nothing.
Mistakes happen but we make them over and over. The Peppers pick is turning out to be just terrible. Here's a first round pick that literally had zero impact stats. He's basically done nothing.
Funny, aside from a couple nice returns and some prime positioning - that was essentially what he did in college as well.
If only there had been people with the foresight to see these things...
And if he wants to pull an Eli Manning- we extort the living daylights out of whoever wants him and take Mayfield.
Brilliant. Let's get a ton of draft capital then waste it again.
Lamar Jackson I think is the safest and most athletic out of this draft class. He might be the only QB i'd take at #1.
Out of the previous QB's you listed this is literally the most butt backwards. Again, when you cut out the athletic ability - do you see an NFL QB? Because opposing defensive minds WILL take away his legs. The only time that doesn't happen is if you're Vick and run a 4.3 coupled with incredibly lateral agility. Jackson isn't that compact, I'm afraid.
Actually strike that. Pick freaking Barkley #1 and then pick a QB with our second first round pick. Mayfield should drop because of the crotch incident.
...then you found a way to come up with a worse idea after suggesting Jackson @ #1.
Tim Tebow most likely thinks the world is 6000 years old and is a 30 year old virgin, so....
In all seriousness, it is going to be very entertaining to see draft scouts debate Mayfield. He's going to be polarizing.
Not really. You'll have a handful of people that will recycle the same trash over and over about QB's like him. A few will see through the nonsense. We went through this process 4 years ago.
RudolphRudolph
Might as well just re-sign Weeden.
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Taking any QB out of this upcoming draft #1 scares the hell out of me. There's so many red flags for a lot of them. Rosen, Allen, D'Arnold, even Mayfield scares me at freaking #1. Lamar Jackson I think is the safest and most athletic out of this draft class. He might be the only QB i'd take at #1.
RudolphRudolph
RudolphRudolph
Well at least for the Christmas time night games he'd have an advantage.
WSS
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RudolphRudolph
Well at least for the Christmas time night games he'd have an advantage.
WSS
Well at least for the Christmas time night games he'd have an advantage.
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No
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We should trade our shot for a franchise QB for 9 so so players...or as Stosh calls them...magic beans.
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haven't studied him enough yet to formulate an opinion
The big knocks on him it seems is he's a Big 12 QB with a mediocre arm.
The big knocks on him it seems is he's a Big 12 QB with a mediocre arm.
Are you talking Rudolph or Mayfield? From the limited amount that I have seen, Rudolph does not appear to have mediocre a mediocre arm. But, being from the Big 12...is a knock on anybody. Both Mayfield and Rudolph.
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Could be why DraftScout has a 2nd round grade on him...
I thought you said that Draft Scout is used by CBS Sports. Yet CBS sports has him listed as the #1 overall prospect.
So...explain that incongruity.
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Mistakes happen but we make them over and over. The Peppers pick is turning out to be just terrible. Here's a first round pick that literally had zero impact stats. He's basically done nothing.
Funny, aside from a couple nice returns and some prime positioning - that was essentially what he did in college as well.
If only there had been people with the foresight to see these things...
And if he wants to pull an Eli Manning- we extort the living daylights out of whoever wants him and take Mayfield.
Brilliant. Let's get a ton of draft capital then waste it again.
Lamar Jackson I think is the safest and most athletic out of this draft class. He might be the only QB i'd take at #1.
Out of the previous QB's you listed this is literally the most butt backwards. Again, when you cut out the athletic ability - do you see an NFL QB? Because opposing defensive minds WILL take away his legs. The only time that doesn't happen is if you're Vick and run a 4.3 coupled with incredibly lateral agility. Jackson isn't that compact, I'm afraid.
Actually strike that. Pick freaking Barkley #1 and then pick a QB with our second first round pick. Mayfield should drop because of the crotch incident.
...then you found a way to come up with a worse idea after suggesting Jackson @ #1.
Tim Tebow most likely thinks the world is 6000 years old and is a 30 year old virgin, so....
In all seriousness, it is going to be very entertaining to see draft scouts debate Mayfield. He's going to be polarizing.
Not really. You'll have a handful of people that will recycle the same trash over and over about QB's like him. A few will see through the nonsense. We went through this process 4 years ago.
RudolphRudolph
Might as well just re-sign Weeden.
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Might as well just re-sign Weeden.
So? You think that with Rudolph we get Weeden 2.0.
And I think with Mayfield we get Manziel 2.0
Maybe we are both right or both wrong.
I guess that is the risk of going for a Big 12 QB.
So....what is the default position? Go for Rosen?
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if this FO is retained they will definitely grab a QB in the first round to save their jobs. Who is the best fit for the Browns? don't know, haven't had time to watch much college football this year. My bet is next year's QB room will be Kizer, McCarron and a rookie, with Kizer starting and the rookie learning for a year or two.
Personally, I think the Browns should stick with Kizer and use the high draft picks on some receivers who can catch. Kizer has the most potential right now and has shown drastic improvement as the season goes on, McCarron is a good backup but I don't think he can carry a franchise. Kessler and Hogan have both been mediocre this year, I'm surprised how far Kessler has regressed and wouldn't be surprised to see him let go after this season. Hogan just gets hurt too easily, a dealbreaker for a Browns QB who will be under a ton of pressure since our tight ends have trouble blocking.
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I thought you said that Draft Scout is used by CBS Sports. Yet CBS sports has him listed as the #1 overall prospect.
So...explain that incongruity.
I did... last week. You even commented on my explanation.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I thought you said that Draft Scout is used by CBS Sports. Yet CBS sports has him listed as the #1 overall prospect.
So...explain that incongruity.
I did... last week. You even commented on my explanation.
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Nothing...
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Rudolph is big with a solid arm but little command, touch and rather slow. He just so happens to play at the same school in the same system.
Mayfield may not be Manziel off the field, he may be just a touch better than him on. The issue with both of them is what makes good QB's great - consistency. It isn't there.
There is also no 'default' position. As of the moment I type this the two QB's I like most are Rosen and Benkert.
Also to address the thread title. No, the Browns should not draft 'A' QB 1st overall. They should draft 'THE' QB 1st overall. If you have to sell yourself on someone being 'the guy', you might want to rethink your stance.
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Nothing...
But, in one week, he went from #1 QB, #1 overall....to #2 QB, #12 overall prospect on the CBS board:
RK PLAYER POS POS RK SCHOOL CLASS HT WT 8 Lamar Jackson QB 5 Louisville Jr 6-3 200 12 Mason Rudolph QB 2 Oklahoma State Sr 6-5 230 21 Sam Darnold QB 1 Southern California Soph 6-4 225 26 Josh Rosen QB 3 UCLA Jr 6-4 220 49 Ryan Finley QB 0 NC State Jr 6-4 205 68 Baker Mayfield QB 8 Oklahoma Sr 6-1 218 But, I sure don't get the LamarJackson ascendance.
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Nothing...
But, in one week, he went from #1 QB, #1 overall....to #2 QB, #12 overall prospect on the CBS board:
RK PLAYER POS POS RK SCHOOL CLASS HT WT 8 Lamar Jackson QB 5 Louisville Jr 6-3 200 12 Mason Rudolph QB 2 Oklahoma State Sr 6-5 230 21 Sam Darnold QB 1 Southern California Soph 6-4 225 26 Josh Rosen QB 3 UCLA Jr 6-4 220 49 Ryan Finley QB 0 NC State Jr 6-4 205 68 Baker Mayfield QB 8 Oklahoma Sr 6-1 218 But, I sure don't get the LamarJackson ascendance.
But, in one week, he went from #1 QB, #1 overall....to #2 QB, #12 overall prospect on the CBS board:
RK PLAYER POS POS RK SCHOOL CLASS HT WT 8 Lamar Jackson QB 5 Louisville Jr 6-3 200 12 Mason Rudolph QB 2 Oklahoma State Sr 6-5 230 21 Sam Darnold QB 1 Southern California Soph 6-4 225 26 Josh Rosen QB 3 UCLA Jr 6-4 220 49 Ryan Finley QB 0 NC State Jr 6-4 205 68 Baker Mayfield QB 8 Oklahoma Sr 6-1 218 But, I sure don't get the LamarJackson ascendance.
"ATHLETIC, BRUH"
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Nothing...
But, in one week, he went from #1 QB, #1 overall....to #2 QB, #12 overall prospect on the CBS board:
RK PLAYER POS POS RK SCHOOL CLASS HT WT 8 Lamar Jackson QB 5 Louisville Jr 6-3 200 12 Mason Rudolph QB 2 Oklahoma State Sr 6-5 230 21 Sam Darnold QB 1 Southern California Soph 6-4 225 26 Josh Rosen QB 3 UCLA Jr 6-4 220 49 Ryan Finley QB 0 NC State Jr 6-4 205 68 Baker Mayfield QB 8 Oklahoma Sr 6-1 218 But, I sure don't get the LamarJackson ascendance.
But, in one week, he went from #1 QB, #1 overall....to #2 QB, #12 overall prospect on the CBS board:
RK PLAYER POS POS RK SCHOOL CLASS HT WT 8 Lamar Jackson QB 5 Louisville Jr 6-3 200 12 Mason Rudolph QB 2 Oklahoma State Sr 6-5 230 21 Sam Darnold QB 1 Southern California Soph 6-4 225 26 Josh Rosen QB 3 UCLA Jr 6-4 220 49 Ryan Finley QB 0 NC State Jr 6-4 205 68 Baker Mayfield QB 8 Oklahoma Sr 6-1 218 But, I sure don't get the LamarJackson ascendance.
The crotch grab is making Baker a sleeper now.
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I don't think it deserves its own thread, but I just saw an article with the headline of, "Browns would pick first and seventh as of today." As I'm sure most of us know, Houston managed to lose a close game to the Ravens last night. Savage did a nice job for most of the game trying to get the ball to Deandre Hopkins, who is quickly becoming one of the most unstoppable forces in the league (if he's not there already). He's literally impossible to cover 1 on 1, and he catches darn near everything. Despite this, Savage managed to cough the ball up a few times and the Ravens hung on. Each and every loss the Texans incur drastically improves our draft pick in both the first and second rounds. A quick glance at the Texans' remaining opponents reveals they play the Titans next, and then the 49's. I'm guessing they win one of their next five games, or two at the most. Bottom line, I think we'll be picking first and probably around 7 or 8 in the first round...very nice indeed. Ideally the Texans would lose out, but I don't see that happening. My absolute DREAM draft would be picking Rosen first, and then getting Derwin James with our next pick. Some will say that Peppers is too close to James, and they're probably right, but Derwin is an impact player and we NEED those, right? I don't see a WR worthy of a top 10 pick, do you guys? Anyways, the Texans lost last night, and that's a small bit of silver-lining for us.
Note: At one time I really wanted Saquon Barkely, but I've soured on him somewhat. I still think he's a great player, but I don't think he's in the same caliber of "bell cow" as a Todd Gurley or Leonard Fournette. Some people believe Alabama's WR Ridley is worthy of a top ten pick, but I'm not so sure. I'm not as fond of the smaller type WR's (ahem, Coleman), but if Ridley is adept at the slot, or if Coleman can be pushed there...I could see it working. More realistic is Alabama's top cornerback, Minkah Fitzpatrick. I believe he can play both corner AND safety, and THAT'S something I can get behind. (even I understand that having Derwin James and Peppers in the same secondary doesn't really work...just pisses me off that we drafted Peppers because I'd bet the farm Derwin James is actually going to make an impact)
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That 53 yd. FG by Tucker won me the FF pool this week by 1 point over the guy who had Houston's D so it was a double win.
Keep on losing Texans!
There are several very good safeties this year. Get a WR with that Houston slot. Then trade up for a safety. Reverse the f'n process.
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I don't think it deserves its own thread, but I just saw an article with the headline of, "Browns would pick first and seventh as of today." As I'm sure most of us know, Houston managed to lose a close game to the Ravens last night. Savage did a nice job for most of the game trying to get the ball to Deandre Hopkins, who is quickly becoming one of the most unstoppable forces in the league (if he's not there already). He's literally impossible to cover 1 on 1, and he catches darn near everything. Despite this, Savage managed to cough the ball up a few times and the Ravens hung on. Each and every loss the Texans incur drastically improves our draft pick in both the first and second rounds. A quick glance at the Texans' remaining opponents reveals they play the Titans next, and then the 49's. I'm guessing they win one of their next five games, or two at the most. Bottom line, I think we'll be picking first and probably around 7 or 8 in the first round...very nice indeed. Ideally the Texans would lose out, but I don't see that happening. My absolute DREAM draft would be picking Rosen first, and then getting Derwin James with our next pick. Some will say that Peppers is too close to James, and they're probably right, but Derwin is an impact player and we NEED those, right? I don't see a WR worthy of a top 10 pick, do you guys? Anyways, the Texans lost last night, and that's a small bit of silver-lining for us.
Note: At one time I really wanted Saquon Barkely, but I've soured on him somewhat. I still think he's a great player, but I don't think he's in the same caliber of "bell cow" as a Todd Gurley or Leonard Fournette. Some people believe Alabama's WR Ridley is worthy of a top ten pick, but I'm not so sure. I'm not as fond of the smaller type WR's (ahem, Coleman), but if Ridley is adept at the slot, or if Coleman can be pushed there...I could see it working. More realistic is Alabama's top cornerback, Minkah Fitzpatrick. I believe he can play both corner AND safety, and THAT'S something I can get behind. (even I understand that having Derwin James and Peppers in the same secondary doesn't really work...just pisses me off that we drafted Peppers because I'd bet the farm Derwin James is actually going to make an impact)
I don't think it deserves its own thread, but I just saw an article with the headline of, "Browns would pick first and seventh as of today."
Well, maybe the thread named "Two picks in the Top Ten".
What are your thoughts on LSU RB Derrius Guice? In some mock drafts appeared landing in the Browns, though I imagine things will change a lot until April.
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