Positives from the 2017 season?
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Positives from the 2017 season...
Well the Eagles are 10-1, and Carson Wentz is proving to the NFL world that he is a franchise QB.
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Positives from the 2017 season...
Well the Eagles are 10-1, and Carson Wentz is proving to the NFL world that he is a franchise QB.
Well the Eagles are 10-1, and Carson Wentz is proving to the NFL world that he is a franchise QB.
Is he?
Let's breakdown the Eagles...
Offense
- #1 in points scored
- 3rd in yards... well behind the top two
- 7th in yards per play
- 22nd in turnovers
- 23rd in pass attempts
- 25th in pass completions.... hmmm
- #1 in TD passes... good
- T-28 in INTs.... also good.
- #2 in rushing attempts... they run a lot
- #2 in rushing yards
- T-3 in YPC... they run well
- T-21 in penalties
- T-24 in penalty yards
- T-13 in sacks allowed
- #17 in sack percentage.
Defense
- #3 scoring D
- #6 yardage D
- T-3 yd allowed per play
- #3 in takeaways
- #16 Pass yd allowed
- T-11 pass TD allowed
- #3 in INTs
- #1 in rushing yd allowed
- T-1 in rushing TD allowed
- #4 in YPA
- T-8 in penalties
- #9 in penalty yards
- #3 in scoring percentage
- #3 in turnover percentage.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Myles Garrett was a good draft choice. He apparently is for real.
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in a league that is being blackmailed by it's players. i said it might take a while to pick out 5 names of quality players that would start for another team and you saw Z's list.
laughable.
what a sham. and the suckaz will keep on suckin.
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Well the Eagles are 10-1, and Carson Wentz is proving to the NFL world that he is a franchise QB.
Is he?
Let's breakdown the Eagles...
Offense
- #1 in points scored
- 3rd in yards... well behind the top two
- 7th in yards per play
- 22nd in turnovers
- 23rd in pass attempts
- 25th in pass completions.... hmmm
- #1 in TD passes... good
- T-28 in INTs.... also good.
- #2 in rushing attempts... they run a lot
- #2 in rushing yards
- T-3 in YPC... they run well
- T-21 in penalties
- T-24 in penalty yards
- T-13 in sacks allowed
- #17 in sack percentage.
Defense
- #3 scoring D
- #6 yardage D
- T-3 yd allowed per play
- #3 in takeaways
- #16 Pass yd allowed
- T-11 pass TD allowed
- #3 in INTs
- #1 in rushing yd allowed
- T-1 in rushing TD allowed
- #4 in YPA
- T-8 in penalties
- #9 in penalty yards
- #3 in scoring percentage
- #3 in turnover percentage.
Is he?
Let's breakdown the Eagles...
Offense
- #1 in points scored
- 3rd in yards... well behind the top two
- 7th in yards per play
- 22nd in turnovers
- 23rd in pass attempts
- 25th in pass completions.... hmmm
- #1 in TD passes... good
- T-28 in INTs.... also good.
- #2 in rushing attempts... they run a lot
- #2 in rushing yards
- T-3 in YPC... they run well
- T-21 in penalties
- T-24 in penalty yards
- T-13 in sacks allowed
- #17 in sack percentage.
Defense
- #3 scoring D
- #6 yardage D
- T-3 yd allowed per play
- #3 in takeaways
- #16 Pass yd allowed
- T-11 pass TD allowed
- #3 in INTs
- #1 in rushing yd allowed
- T-1 in rushing TD allowed
- #4 in YPA
- T-8 in penalties
- #9 in penalty yards
- #3 in scoring percentage
- #3 in turnover percentage.
Carson Wentz #11 QB
Philadelphia Eagles | Official Team Site
Height: 6-5 Weight: 237 Age: 24
Born: 12/30/1992 Raleigh , NC
College: North Dakota State
Experience: 2nd season
High School: Century HS [Bismarck, ND]
TDS
28
INT
5
YDS
2,657
RTG
104.0
Carson Wentz:PASSINGYear Team G Att Comp Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD TD% Int Int% Lng 20+ 40+ Sck SckY Rate 2017 Philadelphia Eagles 11 354 213 60.2 32.2 2,657 7.5 241.5 28 7.9 5 1.4 72T 30 7 24 131 104.0 2016 Philadelphia Eagles 16 607 379 62.4 37.9 3,782 6.2 236.4 16 2.6 14 2.3 73T 39 6 33 213 79.3 TOTAL 27 961 592 61.6 35.6 6,439 6.7 238.5 44 4.6 19 2.0 73 69 13 57 344 88.4 -
Ooooo... more numbers... out of context.
The context is that Wentz is a good piece of a very good team. He may yet confirm that he is "franchise" level, but the talk of that now, let alone the MVP talk, is premature.
Most explain away Carson's 2016 numbers, and their roll-off thru the season, as being due to the loss of Lane Johnson, a RT. I think that's fair to a point, although it did not help that the level of their competition increased over the stretch that entailed his 10-game suspension. What is not fair is to ignore the corollary conclusion that he could not even compensate for the loss of one OL, let alone carry a team.
So what about 2017? Well... they upgraded around Carson. They added Jeffries and Torey Smith to their WR corps plusdrafted backups Hollins and Gibson. They added RBs Blount (FA) and recently Ajayi plus Pumphrey in the draft. They deepened their OL adding Wisniewski (old friend of the OL followers here) and Warmack. Any noting this season of an issue with the loss of starting LT, Lane Johnson, to IR?
And then there is the Eagle D... a very good D that added to the DL, Jernigan via trade, drafted Barnett, signed Long for depth. Plus they drafted Douglas to add to a very good 2ndary and stashed the injured Sidney Jones for future use.
Bottom line... this is a loaded team that asks its 2nd-year QB to not lose games rather than win them. And he is doing so in style... no doubt about that, but let's not crown him yet as we did not last year's darling QB. Here's their comparison...
Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD 2016* 23 QB 4 16 16 13-3-0 311 459 67.8 3667 23 5.0 4 0.9 83 8.0 8.6 11.8 229.2 104.9 81.5 25 143 7.28 7.86 5.2 5 5 2017 25 QB 11 11 11 10-1-0 213 354 60.2 2657 28 7.9 5 1.4 72 7.5 8.5 12.5 241.5 104.0 ----- 24 131 6.68 7.57 6.3 1 1 "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
@ Tour: What you are saying is that, like the old adage, man does not live on bread alone. Good teams do not live on a good QB alone.
There certainly have been some good QBs playing on bad teams...and vice versa.
Curious question: Which teams this year 2017 are being held back by a bad QB?
And are there any actually bad teams that have been greatly enhanced by the presence of a good QB?
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@ Tour: What you are saying is that, like the old adage, man does not live on bread alone. Good teams do not live on a good QB alone.
There certainly have been some good QBs playing on bad teams...and vice versa.
Curious question: Which teams this year 2017 are being held back by a bad QB?
And are there any actually bad teams that have been greatly enhanced by the presence of a good QB?
Which teams this year 2017 are being held back by a bad QB?
And are there any actually bad teams that have been greatly enhanced by the presence of a good QB?
A. First ones that come to mind are Bortles and the Denver chaos.
B. Rodgers is a pillar in GB, Russell Wilson makes magic with what he has around him... The Seattle Oline and run game is a joke.
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@ Tour: What you are saying is that, like the old adage, man does not live on bread alone. Good teams do not live on a good QB alone.
There certainly have been some good QBs playing on bad teams...and vice versa.
Curious question: Which teams this year 2017 are being held back by a bad QB?
And are there any actually bad teams that have been greatly enhanced by the presence of a good QB?
@ Tour: What you are saying is that, like the old adage, man does not live on bread alone. Good teams do not live on a good QB alone.
There certainly have been some good QBs playing on bad teams...and vice versa.
Curious question: Which teams this year 2017 are being held back by a bad QB?
And are there any actually bad teams that have been greatly enhanced by the presence of a good QB?
Pretty much got it, Gip. Right now Wentz is "bread".... "white bread" if you want to go there.
The "other" stat line I placed above Carson's is Dak's from 2016. A good QB who came into a great situation as a rookie. A QB some Wentzbackers, among others, have pointed out looks pretty ordinary this year absent his LT and RB and a Sean Lee led D. Can't disagree with that, but the telling thing I see between the two stat lines are the 4QC (4th Qtr Comeback) and GWD (Game Winning Drive) figures. While these are from mutually exclusive measures of "clutch", they are macro-ish measures of that quality. I am not saying Wentz lacks it, just that there's no solid evidence he has it at the NFL level.
Not saying he does not turn out to be Prime Filet Mignon... just not there yet. I think he has the opportunity this Sunday in Seattle to show if he is heading up the food chain.
You've raised a pair of good, thread-worthy QB questions. I'll wait for you to crank one up rather than further "derail" this tread....
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
@ Tour: What you are saying is that, like the old adage, man does not live on bread alone. Good teams do not live on a good QB alone.
There certainly have been some good QBs playing on bad teams...and vice versa.
Curious question: Which teams this year 2017 are being held back by a bad QB?
And are there any actually bad teams that have been greatly enhanced by the presence of a good QB?
Pretty much got it, Gip. Right now Wentz is "bread".... "white bread" if you want to go there.
The "other" stat line I placed above Carson's is Dak's from 2016. A good QB who came into a great situation as a rookie. A QB some Wentzbackers, among others, have pointed out looks pretty ordinary this year absent his LT and RB and a Sean Lee led D. Can't disagree with that, but the telling thing I see between the two stat lines are the 4QC (4th Qtr Comeback) and GWD (Game Winning Drive) figures. While these are from mutually exclusive measures of "clutch", they are macro-ish measures of that quality. I am not saying Wentz lacks it, just that there's no solid evidence he has it at the NFL level.
Not saying he does not turn out to be Prime Filet Mignon... just not there yet. I think he has the opportunity this Sunday in Seattle to show if he is heading up the food chain.
You've raised a pair of good, thread-worthy QB questions. I'll wait for you to crank one up rather than further "derail" this tread....
Pretty much got it, Gip. Right now Wentz is "bread".... "white bread" if you want to go there.
The "other" stat line I placed above Carson's is Dak's from 2016. A good QB who came into a great situation as a rookie. A QB some Wentzbackers, among others, have pointed out looks pretty ordinary this year absent his LT and RB and a Sean Lee led D. Can't disagree with that, but the telling thing I see between the two stat lines are the 4QC (4th Qtr Comeback) and GWD (Game Winning Drive) figures. While these are from mutually exclusive measures of "clutch", they are macro-ish measures of that quality. I am not saying Wentz lacks it, just that there's no solid evidence he has it at the NFL level.
Not saying he does not turn out to be Prime Filet Mignon... just not there yet. I think he has the opportunity this Sunday in Seattle to show if he is heading up the food chain.
You've raised a pair of good, thread-worthy QB questions. I'll wait for you to crank one up rather than further "derail" this tread....
Oh well...this thread could use a good tangent. After all, it is: What is positive in the 2017 Browns. Which can probably be answered in one foreign word: Nada.
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Pretty much got it, Gip. Right now Wentz is "bread".... "white bread" if you want to go there.
The "other" stat line I placed above Carson's is Dak's from 2016. A good QB who came into a great situation as a rookie. A QB some Wentzbackers, among others, have pointed out looks pretty ordinary this year absent his LT and RB and a Sean Lee led D. Can't disagree with that, but the telling thing I see between the two stat lines are the 4QC (4th Qtr Comeback) and GWD (Game Winning Drive) figures. While these are from mutually exclusive measures of "clutch", they are macro-ish measures of that quality. I am not saying Wentz lacks it, just that there's no solid evidence he has it at the NFL level.
Not saying he does not turn out to be Prime Filet Mignon... just not there yet. I think he has the opportunity this Sunday in Seattle to show if he is heading up the food chain.
You've raised a pair of good, thread-worthy QB questions. I'll wait for you to crank one up rather than further "derail" this tread....
Oh well...this thread could use a good tangent. After all, it is: What is positive in the 2017 Browns. Which can probably be answered in one foreign word: Nada.
Oh well...this thread could use a good tangent. After all, it is: What is positive in the 2017 Browns. Which can probably be answered in one foreign word: Nada.
So some derails are OK?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Oh well...this thread could use a good tangent. After all, it is: What is positive in the 2017 Browns. Which can probably be answered in one foreign word: Nada.
So some derails are OK?
So some derails are OK?
That depends.....on how good your manners are, and how big your pocketbook is.
(You're a daisy if you can identify that quote)
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That depends.....on how good your manners are, and how big your pocketbook is.
(You're a daisy if you can identify that quote)
That is a quote from: To Wong Foo, Thanks For Everything, Julie Newmar.
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Pretty much got it, Gip. Right now Wentz is "bread".... "white bread" if you want to go there.
The "other" stat line I placed above Carson's is Dak's from 2016. A good QB who came into a great situation as a rookie. A QB some Wentzbackers, among others, have pointed out looks pretty ordinary this year absent his LT and RB and a Sean Lee led D. Can't disagree with that, but the telling thing I see between the two stat lines are the 4QC (4th Qtr Comeback) and GWD (Game Winning Drive) figures. While these are from mutually exclusive measures of "clutch", they are macro-ish measures of that quality. I am not saying Wentz lacks it, just that there's no solid evidence he has it at the NFL level.
Not saying he does not turn out to be Prime Filet Mignon... just not there yet. I think he has the opportunity this Sunday in Seattle to show if he is heading up the food chain.
You've raised a pair of good, thread-worthy QB questions. I'll wait for you to crank one up rather than further "derail" this tread....
Oh well...this thread could use a good tangent. After all, it is: What is positive in the 2017 Browns. Which can probably be answered in one foreign word: Nada.
Oh well...this thread could use a good tangent. After all, it is: What is positive in the 2017 Browns. Which can probably be answered in one foreign word: Nada.
Good seats available for 2018?
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Oh well...this thread could use a good tangent. After all, it is: What is positive in the 2017 Browns. Which can probably be answered in one foreign word: Nada.
So some derails are OK?
So some derails are OK?
Yes Tour the team is totally derailed. Crow can't run, Kizer can't pass, Coleman can't catch, Hue can't coach, best players on offense (Thomas) and defense (Collins) are hurt, we're 0-11. I'm as happy as a pig in mud.
Good seats available for 2018?
Aaaannnndddd... CHEAP!!!!! If there's ever a year we're going to get seat improvement- this is gonna be it.
But why wait? You can get tickets this year to the Ravens game for $6, and move down into the deserted 100 level quickly.The "convenience fee" is probably more than that. FWIW, that was StubHub. Sneaking into the Club level might involve more difficulty- and a distraction. But even those seats are going at a 70% discount. To show you how bad it is- "official" NFL Ticket exchange- until now- wouldn't let you post a ticket at less than face value. They figured out no one in their right mind was gonna pay face value to watch the Browns play like a JV team.
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That depends.....on how good your manners are, and how big your pocketbook is.
(You're a daisy if you can identify that quote)
That is a quote from: To Wong Foo, Thanks For Everything, Julie Newmar.
That is a quote from: To Wong Foo, Thanks For Everything, Julie Newmar.
Not to my knowledge....at least not the one I was looking for.
But that was a very interesting movie, no? Patrick Sweazy and Wesley Snipes in drag
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Ooooo... more numbers... out of context.
The context is that Wentz is a good piece of a very good team. He may yet confirm that he is "franchise" level, but the talk of that now, let alone the MVP talk, is premature.
Most explain away Carson's 2016 numbers, and their roll-off thru the season, as being due to the loss of Lane Johnson, a RT. I think that's fair to a point, although it did not help that the level of their competition increased over the stretch that entailed his 10-game suspension. What is not fair is to ignore the corollary conclusion that he could not even compensate for the loss of one OL, let alone carry a team.
So what about 2017? Well... they upgraded around Carson. They added Jeffries and Torey Smith to their WR corps plusdrafted backups Hollins and Gibson. They added RBs Blount (FA) and recently Ajayi plus Pumphrey in the draft. They deepened their OL adding Wisniewski (old friend of the OL followers here) and Warmack. Any noting this season of an issue with the loss of starting LT, Lane Johnson, to IR?
And then there is the Eagle D... a very good D that added to the DL, Jernigan via trade, drafted Barnett, signed Long for depth. Plus they drafted Douglas to add to a very good 2ndary and stashed the injured Sidney Jones for future use.
Bottom line... this is a loaded team that asks its 2nd-year QB to not lose games rather than win them. And he is doing so in style... no doubt about that, but let's not crown him yet as we did not last year's darling QB. Here's their comparison...
Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD 2016* 23 QB 4 16 16 13-3-0 311 459 67.8 3667 23 5.0 4 0.9 83 8.0 8.6 11.8 229.2 104.9 81.5 25 143 7.28 7.86 5.2 5 5 2017 25 QB 11 11 11 10-1-0 213 354 60.2 2657 28 7.9 5 1.4 72 7.5 8.5 12.5 241.5 104.0 ----- 24 131 6.68 7.57 6.3 1 1 The context is that Wentz is a good piece of a very good team. He may yet confirm that he is "franchise" level, but the talk of that now, let alone the MVP talk, is premature.
Bottom line... this is a loaded team that asks its 2nd-year QB to not lose games rather than win them. And he is doing so in style... no doubt about that, but let's not crown him yet...
Not saying he does not turn out to be Prime Filet Mignon... just not there yet. I think he has the opportunity this Sunday in Seattle to show if he is heading up the food chain.
Anyone want to talk about Carson today?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
The context is that Wentz is a good piece of a very good team. He may yet confirm that he is "franchise" level, but the talk of that now, let alone the MVP talk, is premature.
Bottom line... this is a loaded team that asks its 2nd-year QB to not lose games rather than win them. And he is doing so in style... no doubt about that, but let's not crown him yet...
Not saying he does not turn out to be Prime Filet Mignon... just not there yet. I think he has the opportunity this Sunday in Seattle to show if he is heading up the food chain.
Anyone want to talk about Carson today?
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They are very tough to see with the glaring overall record in the last 2 years but this team does have quite a few positives. Since the team came back in 1999 this is the best building of the Interior on both sides of the ball. Maybe a few years the o line was better but overall both sides trenches are the best I've seen with some young Raw Talent. They just need The Playmakers on both sides of the ball those first two draft picks should be spent on receiver running back guys that can score touchdowns. And on the defensive side of the ball The Playmakers that turned touchdowns in the field goals and turn scoring drives into turnovers.
And DeSean Kizer has been wrongfully beat up this year. McCoy Weeden Manziel fry Quinn Kiser has showed me more maturity and more growth in a short time and worse situation than any of those guys. I mean let's be real he was given less talent and asked to do more than any quarterback in the NFL as a raw rookie. And he seems like he's got the mentality and maturity for the job not in trouble not drama doesn't have a friend that always gets in trouble not partying not drinking not creating controversy. You gave all those other stiffs years to figure it out and you gave this 21 year old kid with all the clubs in the bag 10 games. ridiculous
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