2017 QBs who are: 1. Holding back their teams. 2. Elevating their teams.
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Sorry, just forgot to get around to it.
Some answers already suggested.
1. Holding back: Bortles in Jax. Whoever in Denver. Everyone in Cleveland. Taylor in Buffalo...maybe..not sure about that one.
2. Elevates their team? Duh....Mr. Brady. Mr. Ben R. Mr. Wilson Mr. Rodgers...when healthy. Mr. Newton perhaps. And as I think they will soon discover...Mr. Eli Manning.
Sorry, just forgot to get around to it.
Some answers already suggested.
1. Holding back: Bortles in Jax. Whoever in Denver. Everyone in Cleveland. Taylor in Buffalo...maybe..not sure about that one.
Disagree on Taylor in Buffalo. He might not be a future super bowl winner but when your replacement throws 5 picks in a half and only completes 6 passes for 60 yards, you're sure as shit not holding your team back.
I'd add Alex Smith in KC over the last 6 weeks. Cutler in Miami as well.
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1) Niners QB's and unless this magic continues - Case Keenum for the Vikes.
2) Stafford is the only thing keeping the Lions from slipping into the Abyss. Honorable mention to Jacoby in Indy.
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1. Holdbacks... My simple criteria is a candidate's team has to be a playoff contender in every other way.
- Bortles is clearly the poster child for holdback QBs. Using my criteria I'm not sure that I see another... not at this point in the season anyway.
- A bit earlier Big Ben seemed to be there as did Matt Ryan, but both seem to now be rounding into playoff form.
- Winston is one addition I might make, but I don't think the Bucs are as good as their Hard Knocks hype made them out to be.
- Mariotta crossed my mind as well, but again not a clear enough cut case to my mind.
2. Elevators... Opposite criteria, i.e., without this QB playing as well as he is, the team would not be a playoff contender.
- Easy first for me is Case Keenum. Not as easy a choice were Cook still playing, but since he went down what Case has done with the remaining Offense has been nothing short of great. I have to grant that in part this is a result of less than stellar expectations for Keenum, but even knowing that he tops my list. His mobility has brought a badly needed element to the Vikes' Offense.
- And... there's not an easy 2nd. Plenty of other good to great QBs playing on great to good teams. Were he still taking the field Watson in Houston would be an easy addition as he ignited that team... but he's not... so he's not.
- The only other serious consideration I see right now is Russell Wilson. Without him, and in particular his running, I think the 'Hawks marginal playoff aspirations would vanish.
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The Biggest holdback is Kizer, because he's taking plays away from THE GUY who is ready for this.
I count Kizer the biggest holdback because as the guy that leads this team at QB we're 0-11.
There is no way Hogan could be worse. No way Hogan could be worse than Kessler has been.
No way~ I know the Texans game will be brought up, but check this, had Hogan had preseason starts and reps with the first team he would have been even better ready for the Texans.
Hogan has this team competitive... and there is no argument for Kizer if it's not that him starting is intentionally losing for a high draft pick. He's the scapegoat. Well, even then it doesn't hold up because what if HOGAN is THE GUY. Then in the draft we can build the offense around his skillset and strengths and we'd have a chance at something special next year. Instead, I hope not, but maybe they take the wrong rookie QB next year and it's another rookie starting all season that can't get it... I know Hogan can execute at this level. He just needs an opportunity.
Hogan to Gordon for the game winner in SD. Bank on it.
Crazy Kev also elevates the guys around him when he's in the game. Ask Njoku or DeValve. or any of the practice squad players he's gotten elevated to the active roster.
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You can sigh all you want but you know I'm right.
Wasn't it you that promised me Gordon would never play for the Browns again... there was so many naysayers I can't remember them all... kinda like the Carr thing... or Tyrann Mathieu, it's just an instincts thing, some have it, some don't...
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PoG, your gimmick is garbage.
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Real talk 100% authentic, no gimmick. Gimmicks are for the simple minded with little dicks.
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You can sigh all you want but you know I'm right.
Wasn't it you that promised me Gordon would never play for the Browns again... there was so many naysayers I can't remember them all... kinda like the Carr thing... or Tyrann Mathieu, it's just an instincts thing, some have it, some don't...
You can sigh all you want but you know I'm right.
Wasn't it you that promised me Gordon would never play for the Browns again... there was so many naysayers I can't remember them all... kinda like the Carr thing... or Tyrann Mathieu, it's just an instincts thing, some have it, some don't...
I don't know youre right. I think Hogan is hot garbage. Slightly better than Kessler...who we all know sucks donkey balls. Gordon still hasn't played a game yet. Lets see if he actually takes the field and plays before we put him in the hall of fame ok?
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Real talk 100% authentic, no gimmick. Gimmicks are for the simple minded with little dicks.
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Tic-Tac dong?
Kindly tell me good sir who holds the top spot for average rushing yards per attempt? Who has the longest pass completion of the season? ~ Aaaaaand, who has the best QBR on the team? (mic drop)
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You and Ghoolie should compare notes. His gimmick is tired too.
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Tic-Tac dong?
Kindly tell me good sir who holds the top spot for average rushing yards per attempt? Who has the longest pass completion of the season? ~ Aaaaaand, who has the best QBR on the team? (mic drop)
Tic-Tac dong?
Kindly tell me good sir who holds the top spot for average rushing yards per attempt? Who has the longest pass completion of the season? ~ Aaaaaand, who has the best QBR on the team? (mic drop)
All of those stats mean nothing since they are garbage time stats. He's not good. None of the Qb's are any good. The fact that you're blowing Kevin Fucking Hogan after what we've seen kills your Derek Carr love. One is really good...the other blows donkeys. I'll let you figure out which is which.
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Real talk 100% authentic, no gimmick. Gimmicks are for the simple minded with little dicks.
Real talk 100% authentic, no gimmick. Gimmicks are for the simple minded with little dicks.
So gimmick it is. Well done!
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1. Blake Bortles
2. Carson Wentz
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Tic-Tac dong?
Kindly tell me good sir who holds the top spot for average rushing yards per attempt? Who has the longest pass completion of the season? ~ Aaaaaand, who has the best QBR on the team? (mic drop)
All of those stats mean nothing since they are garbage time stats. He's not good. None of the Qb's are any good. The fact that you're blowing Kevin Fucking Hogan after what we've seen kills your Derek Carr love. One is really good...the other blows donkeys. I'll let you figure out which is which.
All of those stats mean nothing since they are garbage time stats.
You mean the middle of the game against the Ravens, on whom we couldn't gain anything before or after he came in the game?
Or the garbage time when the Bengals were trying with ALL THEIR MIGHT, even bringing Burfict back in the game, to try and pitch a shutout, that Kevin foiled?
Or maybe it was the whole getting a start with only 3 days notice that he would be the guy going into his first start, against a lava hot Texans team?
Which one is it? You're not going to be able to "one liner" your way out of this one.
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Just admit it, Kevin Hogan is the best QB by a big margin- but you want that first pick even if it means slandering the kid.
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Just admit it, Kevin Hogan is the best QB by a big margin- but you want that first pick even if it means slandering the kid.
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Just admit it, Kevin Hogan is the best QB by a big margin- but you want that first pick even if it means slandering the kid.
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