Should we draft a quarterback 1st overall?
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Pro Football Focus has listed their top 3 as:
Mayfield
Jackson
Will Grier of WVu
(though this may just be their number scores from this years)
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DraftGeek only has these in their Top 99:
2 Rosen
10 Darnold
56 Jackson
58 Allen
http://www.nfldraftgeek.com/2018-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings/
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NFL DraftBoard has this:
RankPlayerPositionGrade
1S DarnoldQB4.69
2A KeyDE/OLB5.38
3D JamesFS6.03
4J RosenQB7.06
5M McGlincheyOT10.44
6J AllenQB12.25
7M FitzpatrickCB12.59
8S BarkleyRB12.75
9C WilkinsDT13.50
10C RidleyWR16.32
11T McFaddenCB18.34
12H LandryLB20.30
13M JeffersonLB22.21
14B ChubbDE/OLB23.36
15C WilliamsOT23.76
16C KirkWR23.88
17C SuttonWR25.23
18D GuiceRB25.41
19T LewisDE/OLB27.04
20S HubbardDE/OLB27.04
21Q NelsonC/G28.92
22M HyattOT29.50
23M RudolphQB29.94
24O BrownOT32.48
25L JacksonQB33.20
26J WashingtonWR33.60
27D PayneDT37.63
28M RankinOT37.94
29V VeaDT38.60
30C OkoraforOT39.50
31C SmithLB39.57
32J AlexanderCB40.53
33D HandDE/OLB42.53
34J StidhamQB43.67
35J BrowningQB43.83
36E St BrownWR44.50
37Kc McDermottOT45.00
38A TateWR45.00
39M IveyOT45.36
40J SweatDE/OLB45.42
41R HarrisonFS46.00
42D CainWR47.29
43J WhiteheadFS47.54
44N PatrickLB48.00
45D NnadiDT48.20
46J BakerLB48.22
47T AdamsOT48.25
48L FalkQB48.50
71B RypienQB55.00
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Honestly at this point the only QB I would consider with #1 is Rosen, but he scares the Sheet out of me. I think he has an amazingly high ceiling, but I think he is also the most likely to completely flame out do to his attitude. Can he be coached? When I ask that, I don't necessarily mean during practice or in the film room. I think he can take fundamental coaching and I think he would work his butt off studying film. What I mean is if his coach pulls him to the side on Sunday to talk about a pick or a missed throw, is this guy going to say, "Shmuck that I know more than you." Is he going to be someone who at some point struggles with adversity and decides, "Hey this really isn't fun anymore, lets just milk this for as long as I can." Those are the vibes I get from him based on things that I have read.
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As I see it, Rosen reminds me of another talented qb with arrogance/character concerns.
Jimmy Clausen, drafted by the Bears.
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/363803-2010-nfl-draft-player-profile-jimmy-clausen
"He still has some leadership and character concerns, but overall, Clausen is always in the conversation as possibly being the best prospect in this year's quarterback class. He could still go No. 1 overall."
Strengths
"Clausen is a very fluid and natural passer with over three years of solid experience in a pro-style offense and against solid competition."
"However, the confusion between confidence and arrogance raises the question if he can lead grown men at the next level and obtain his pro team's respect and full backing."
"His true knocks, which are very warranted, are his lazy footwork and his questionable character. Clausen said in a recent interview that he thinks people don't understand him, and while that may be so, the perception of the person he is, still stands."
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As for Rosen the teammate...
This was written going into the 2017 season by an Aggie 247 contributor.
UCLA teammates and coaches rally around QB Josh Rosen
UCLA quarterback Josh Rosen stirs controversy with his public comments but his teammates have a different opinion of him as a teammate and player
- Jeff Tarpley - Aug 28, 5:49 PM
UCLA quarterback Josh Rosen received the nickname "Chosen" from his friends after a Sports Illustrated spread in 2014. However, although Rosen was seemingly "chosen" to be face of UCLA football, it hasn't worked out as planned. As Thuc Nhi Nguyen writes in the Orange County Register:
Rosen was chosen as the face of UCLA for his on-field talent and his off-field intellect. In the process, his greatest gift, his ever-questioning mind, has also become his great curse.
His honest answers stoke Internet media fires. His habit to ask “why” can be seen as challenging or arrogant. He makes more headlines for his words than his play now, especially after his sophomore season was derailed with a shoulder injury.
Rosen's coach, offensive coordinator Jedd Fisch, read things about Rosen that turned out to be less than accurate.
“I’ve learned that he’s extremely hard working,” the well-traveled 40-year-old assistant said. “That he is extremely diligent. That the game is extremely important to him. That his talent level, while special, also has a lot to do with how much he works at it. … I’ve also learned that he can be coached really hard.”
That’s the Rosen the Bruins know. The one who stays after practice to throw extra routes to any receiver who asks. The one who led every player-run practice this summer, 25 in all. The one who buys his offensive linemen dinner every week and orders them personalized gold necklaces with their last names and jersey numbers.
In fact, his teammates defended him after less than flattering articles in various publications.
“I don’t know how people can jump to that conclusion; we all love Josh,” center Scott Quessenberry said. “He comes out every day and he competes hard.”
“A lot of people don’t have that voice but a lot of us are thinking the things he says,” said safety Jaleel Wadood, who also played with Rosen at St. John Bosco. “Some of us don’t say it because they don’t have that platform like he does.”
It's Rosen's last chance to live up to expectations and be the player that his teammates tell people he is. That chance starts on September 3 versus the Aggies.
As for Rosen the teammate...
This was written going into the 2017 season by an Aggie 247 contributor.
UCLA teammates and coaches rally around QB Josh Rosen
UCLA quarterback Josh Rosen stirs controversy with his public comments but his teammates have a different opinion of him as a teammate and player
- Jeff Tarpley - Aug 28, 5:49 PM
UCLA quarterback Josh Rosen received the nickname "Chosen" from his friends after a Sports Illustrated spread in 2014. However, although Rosen was seemingly "chosen" to be face of UCLA football, it hasn't worked out as planned. As Thuc Nhi Nguyen writes in the Orange County Register:
Rosen was chosen as the face of UCLA for his on-field talent and his off-field intellect. In the process, his greatest gift, his ever-questioning mind, has also become his great curse.
His honest answers stoke Internet media fires. His habit to ask “why” can be seen as challenging or arrogant. He makes more headlines for his words than his play now, especially after his sophomore season was derailed with a shoulder injury.
Rosen's coach, offensive coordinator Jedd Fisch, read things about Rosen that turned out to be less than accurate.
“I’ve learned that he’s extremely hard working,” the well-traveled 40-year-old assistant said. “That he is extremely diligent. That the game is extremely important to him. That his talent level, while special, also has a lot to do with how much he works at it. … I’ve also learned that he can be coached really hard.”
That’s the Rosen the Bruins know. The one who stays after practice to throw extra routes to any receiver who asks. The one who led every player-run practice this summer, 25 in all. The one who buys his offensive linemen dinner every week and orders them personalized gold necklaces with their last names and jersey numbers.
In fact, his teammates defended him after less than flattering articles in various publications.
“I don’t know how people can jump to that conclusion; we all love Josh,” center Scott Quessenberry said. “He comes out every day and he competes hard.”
“A lot of people don’t have that voice but a lot of us are thinking the things he says,” said safety Jaleel Wadood, who also played with Rosen at St. John Bosco. “Some of us don’t say it because they don’t have that platform like he does.”
It's Rosen's last chance to live up to expectations and be the player that his teammates tell people he is. That chance starts on September 3 versus the Aggies.
Jeff Tarpley is a clown. Very low character guy. The stories are endless.
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As for Rosen the teammate...
This was written going into the 2017 season by an Aggie 247 contributor.
UCLA teammates and coaches rally around QB Josh Rosen
UCLA quarterback Josh Rosen stirs controversy with his public comments but his teammates have a different opinion of him as a teammate and player
- Jeff Tarpley - Aug 28, 5:49 PM
UCLA quarterback Josh Rosen received the nickname "Chosen" from his friends after a Sports Illustrated spread in 2014. However, although Rosen was seemingly "chosen" to be face of UCLA football, it hasn't worked out as planned. As Thuc Nhi Nguyen writes in the Orange County Register:
Rosen was chosen as the face of UCLA for his on-field talent and his off-field intellect. In the process, his greatest gift, his ever-questioning mind, has also become his great curse.
His honest answers stoke Internet media fires. His habit to ask “why” can be seen as challenging or arrogant. He makes more headlines for his words than his play now, especially after his sophomore season was derailed with a shoulder injury.
Rosen's coach, offensive coordinator Jedd Fisch, read things about Rosen that turned out to be less than accurate.
“I’ve learned that he’s extremely hard working,” the well-traveled 40-year-old assistant said. “That he is extremely diligent. That the game is extremely important to him. That his talent level, while special, also has a lot to do with how much he works at it. … I’ve also learned that he can be coached really hard.”
That’s the Rosen the Bruins know. The one who stays after practice to throw extra routes to any receiver who asks. The one who led every player-run practice this summer, 25 in all. The one who buys his offensive linemen dinner every week and orders them personalized gold necklaces with their last names and jersey numbers.
In fact, his teammates defended him after less than flattering articles in various publications.
“I don’t know how people can jump to that conclusion; we all love Josh,” center Scott Quessenberry said. “He comes out every day and he competes hard.”
“A lot of people don’t have that voice but a lot of us are thinking the things he says,” said safety Jaleel Wadood, who also played with Rosen at St. John Bosco. “Some of us don’t say it because they don’t have that platform like he does.”
It's Rosen's last chance to live up to expectations and be the player that his teammates tell people he is. That chance starts on September 3 versus the Aggies.
Jeff Tarpley is a clown. Very low character guy. The stories are endless.
Jeff Tarpley is a clown. Very low character guy. The stories are endless.
So he's known to make up quotes?
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As I see it, Rosen reminds me of another talented qb with arrogance/character concerns.
Jimmy Clausen, drafted by the Bears.
Well, I think you will dig under any rock to find a comparison to some failed QB.
The thing is....there are also other guys that came with arrogance and character concerns: Joe Namath, Ben Roethlisberger, Joe Theismann, Brett Favre, Ken Stabler, Aaron Rodgers etc.
So the knife could cut both ways.
A franchise QB...to me...needs to be a bit arrogant.
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As for Rosen the teammate...
This was written going into the 2017 season by an Aggie 247 contributor.
UCLA teammates and coaches rally around QB Josh Rosen
UCLA quarterback Josh Rosen stirs controversy with his public comments but his teammates have a different opinion of him as a teammate and player
- Jeff Tarpley - Aug 28, 5:49 PM
UCLA quarterback Josh Rosen received the nickname "Chosen" from his friends after a Sports Illustrated spread in 2014. However, although Rosen was seemingly "chosen" to be face of UCLA football, it hasn't worked out as planned. As Thuc Nhi Nguyen writes in the Orange County Register:
Rosen was chosen as the face of UCLA for his on-field talent and his off-field intellect. In the process, his greatest gift, his ever-questioning mind, has also become his great curse.
His honest answers stoke Internet media fires. His habit to ask “why” can be seen as challenging or arrogant. He makes more headlines for his words than his play now, especially after his sophomore season was derailed with a shoulder injury.
Rosen's coach, offensive coordinator Jedd Fisch, read things about Rosen that turned out to be less than accurate.
“I’ve learned that he’s extremely hard working,” the well-traveled 40-year-old assistant said. “That he is extremely diligent. That the game is extremely important to him. That his talent level, while special, also has a lot to do with how much he works at it. … I’ve also learned that he can be coached really hard.”
That’s the Rosen the Bruins know. The one who stays after practice to throw extra routes to any receiver who asks. The one who led every player-run practice this summer, 25 in all. The one who buys his offensive linemen dinner every week and orders them personalized gold necklaces with their last names and jersey numbers.
In fact, his teammates defended him after less than flattering articles in various publications.
“I don’t know how people can jump to that conclusion; we all love Josh,” center Scott Quessenberry said. “He comes out every day and he competes hard.”
“A lot of people don’t have that voice but a lot of us are thinking the things he says,” said safety Jaleel Wadood, who also played with Rosen at St. John Bosco. “Some of us don’t say it because they don’t have that platform like he does.”
It's Rosen's last chance to live up to expectations and be the player that his teammates tell people he is. That chance starts on September 3 versus the Aggies.
As for Rosen the teammate...
This was written going into the 2017 season by an Aggie 247 contributor.
UCLA teammates and coaches rally around QB Josh Rosen
UCLA quarterback Josh Rosen stirs controversy with his public comments but his teammates have a different opinion of him as a teammate and player
- Jeff Tarpley - Aug 28, 5:49 PM
UCLA quarterback Josh Rosen received the nickname "Chosen" from his friends after a Sports Illustrated spread in 2014. However, although Rosen was seemingly "chosen" to be face of UCLA football, it hasn't worked out as planned. As Thuc Nhi Nguyen writes in the Orange County Register:
Rosen was chosen as the face of UCLA for his on-field talent and his off-field intellect. In the process, his greatest gift, his ever-questioning mind, has also become his great curse.
His honest answers stoke Internet media fires. His habit to ask “why” can be seen as challenging or arrogant. He makes more headlines for his words than his play now, especially after his sophomore season was derailed with a shoulder injury.
Rosen's coach, offensive coordinator Jedd Fisch, read things about Rosen that turned out to be less than accurate.
“I’ve learned that he’s extremely hard working,” the well-traveled 40-year-old assistant said. “That he is extremely diligent. That the game is extremely important to him. That his talent level, while special, also has a lot to do with how much he works at it. … I’ve also learned that he can be coached really hard.”
That’s the Rosen the Bruins know. The one who stays after practice to throw extra routes to any receiver who asks. The one who led every player-run practice this summer, 25 in all. The one who buys his offensive linemen dinner every week and orders them personalized gold necklaces with their last names and jersey numbers.
In fact, his teammates defended him after less than flattering articles in various publications.
“I don’t know how people can jump to that conclusion; we all love Josh,” center Scott Quessenberry said. “He comes out every day and he competes hard.”
“A lot of people don’t have that voice but a lot of us are thinking the things he says,” said safety Jaleel Wadood, who also played with Rosen at St. John Bosco. “Some of us don’t say it because they don’t have that platform like he does.”
It's Rosen's last chance to live up to expectations and be the player that his teammates tell people he is. That chance starts on September 3 versus the Aggies.
No doubt Rosen has the smarts. That can certainly rub some people (or teammates) the wrong way. Aw gee, he doesn't like Trump, well he has plenty of company there.
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Thanks to Gip for digging up all those mocks. It will be a while before the cumlative muncher comes out. Play in bowl games will play a part. Mayfield's stock will soar if he tears it up and wins the National championship.
Won't know until mid January which underclassmen will declare.
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As for Rosen the teammate...
This was written going into the 2017 season by an Aggie 247 contributor.
UCLA teammates and coaches rally around QB Josh Rosen
UCLA quarterback Josh Rosen stirs controversy with his public comments but his teammates have a different opinion of him as a teammate and player
- Jeff Tarpley - Aug 28, 5:49 PM
UCLA quarterback Josh Rosen received the nickname "Chosen" from his friends after a Sports Illustrated spread in 2014. However, although Rosen was seemingly "chosen" to be face of UCLA football, it hasn't worked out as planned. As Thuc Nhi Nguyen writes in the Orange County Register:
Rosen was chosen as the face of UCLA for his on-field talent and his off-field intellect. In the process, his greatest gift, his ever-questioning mind, has also become his great curse.
His honest answers stoke Internet media fires. His habit to ask “why” can be seen as challenging or arrogant. He makes more headlines for his words than his play now, especially after his sophomore season was derailed with a shoulder injury.
Rosen's coach, offensive coordinator Jedd Fisch, read things about Rosen that turned out to be less than accurate.
“I’ve learned that he’s extremely hard working,” the well-traveled 40-year-old assistant said. “That he is extremely diligent. That the game is extremely important to him. That his talent level, while special, also has a lot to do with how much he works at it. … I’ve also learned that he can be coached really hard.”
That’s the Rosen the Bruins know. The one who stays after practice to throw extra routes to any receiver who asks. The one who led every player-run practice this summer, 25 in all. The one who buys his offensive linemen dinner every week and orders them personalized gold necklaces with their last names and jersey numbers.
In fact, his teammates defended him after less than flattering articles in various publications.
“I don’t know how people can jump to that conclusion; we all love Josh,” center Scott Quessenberry said. “He comes out every day and he competes hard.”
“A lot of people don’t have that voice but a lot of us are thinking the things he says,” said safety Jaleel Wadood, who also played with Rosen at St. John Bosco. “Some of us don’t say it because they don’t have that platform like he does.”
It's Rosen's last chance to live up to expectations and be the player that his teammates tell people he is. That chance starts on September 3 versus the Aggies.
No doubt Rosen has the smarts. That can certainly rub some people (or teammates) the wrong way. Aw gee, he doesn't like Trump, well he has plenty of company there.
No doubt Rosen has the smarts. That can certainly rub some people (or teammates) the wrong way. Aw gee, he doesn't like Trump, well he has plenty of company there.
I don't hate Trump.. I just wish he would hire a publicist and a speaker who could articulate his thoughts better for him...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
As I see it, Rosen reminds me of another talented qb with arrogance/character concerns.
Jimmy Clausen, drafted by the Bears.
Well, I think you will dig under any rock to find a comparison to some failed QB.
The thing is....there are also other guys that came with arrogance and character concerns: Joe Namath, Ben Roethlisberger, Joe Theismann, Brett Favre, Ken Stabler, Aaron Rodgers etc.
So the knife could cut both ways.
A franchise QB...to me...needs to be a bit arrogant.
As I see it, Rosen reminds me of another talented qb with arrogance/character concerns.
Jimmy Clausen, drafted by the Bears.
Well, I think you will dig under any rock to find a comparison to some failed QB.
The thing is....there are also other guys that came with arrogance and character concerns: Joe Namath, Ben Roethlisberger, Joe Theismann, Brett Favre, Ken Stabler, Aaron Rodgers etc.
So the knife could cut both ways.
A franchise QB...to me...needs to be a bit arrogant.
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/04/aaron-rodgers-2005-nfl-draft-scouting-reports
Rodgers - nope.
http://archive.jsonline.com/sports/packers/212246281.html/
Scouts weren't saying any such thing about Favre
Theismann and Stabler, sure....
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A fine line between entitlement/arrogance and confidence/passion.
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As I see it, Rosen reminds me of another talented qb with arrogance/character concerns.
Jimmy Clausen, drafted by the Bears.
Well, I think you will dig under any rock to find a comparison to some failed QB.
The thing is....there are also other guys that came with arrogance and character concerns: Joe Namath, Ben Roethlisberger, Joe Theismann, Brett Favre, Ken Stabler, Aaron Rodgers etc.
So the knife could cut both ways.
A franchise QB...to me...needs to be a bit arrogant.
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/04/aaron-rodgers-2005-nfl-draft-scouting-reports
Rodgers - nope.
http://archive.jsonline.com/sports/packers/212246281.html/
Scouts weren't saying any such thing about Favre
Theismann and Stabler, sure....
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/04/aaron-rodgers-2005-nfl-draft-scouting-reports
Rodgers - nope.
http://archive.jsonline.com/sports/packers/212246281.html/
Scouts weren't saying any such thing about Favre
Theismann and Stabler, sure....
Apparently the scouts missed a pretty big personality flaw with Favre - he'd be traded by Atlanta to Green Bay after one season because, in his words: "I didn't help my time with the Falcons by trying to drink all of Atlanta..."
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No doubt Rosen has the smarts. That can certainly rub some people (or teammates) the wrong way. Aw gee, he doesn't like Trump, well he has plenty of company there.
I don't hate Trump.. I just wish he would hire a publicist and a speaker who could articulate his thoughts better for him...
I don't hate Trump.. I just wish he would hire a publicist and a speaker who could articulate his thoughts better for him...
As a wise man once said: "You can't polish a turd, Beavis".
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Jeff Tarpley is a clown. Very low character guy. The stories are endless.
So he's known to make up quotes?
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http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/04/aaron-rodgers-2005-nfl-draft-scouting-reports
Rodgers - nope.
http://archive.jsonline.com/sports/packers/212246281.html/
Scouts weren't saying any such thing about Favre
Theismann and Stabler, sure....
Apparently the scouts missed a pretty big personality flaw with Favre - he'd be traded by Atlanta to Green Bay after one season because, in his words: "I didn't help my time with the Falcons by trying to drink all of Atlanta..."
Apparently the scouts missed a pretty big personality flaw with Favre - he'd be traded by Atlanta to Green Bay after one season because, in his words: "I didn't help my time with the Falcons by trying to drink all of Atlanta..."
has nothing to do with the subject of having character flaws in college prior to the draft. The Atlanta Falcons are an NFL team.
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As a wise man once said: "You can't polish a turd, Beavis".
They polished a turd on myth busters. Then you get a pretty piece of shyt
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Apparently the scouts missed a pretty big personality flaw with Favre - he'd be traded by Atlanta to Green Bay after one season because, in his words: "I didn't help my time with the Falcons by trying to drink all of Atlanta..."
has nothing to do with the subject of having character flaws in college prior to the draft. The Atlanta Falcons are an NFL team.
has nothing to do with the subject of having character flaws in college prior to the draft. The Atlanta Falcons are an NFL team.
Yes, I'm sure Favre's character flaws started immediately he was drafted by the Falcons.
He was most likely a choir boy the year before at Southern Miss.
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Apparently the scouts missed a pretty big personality flaw with Favre - he'd be traded by Atlanta to Green Bay after one season because, in his words: "I didn't help my time with the Falcons by trying to drink all of Atlanta..."
has nothing to do with the subject of having character flaws in college prior to the draft. The Atlanta Falcons are an NFL team.
has nothing to do with the subject of having character flaws in college prior to the draft. The Atlanta Falcons are an NFL team.
Glad that you are so enlightened that you do not see alcoholism and addiction as a character flaw.
Favre drank heavily....then went on to become addicted to Vicodin. But, he recovered.
And if you don't think that Favre...or Aaron Rodgers have not displayed a lot of arrogance....you must not have been watching.
By the way....I don't mind some arrogance and Sockiness if you can back it up. These guy did. A guy like JFF did not.
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