Should we draft a quarterback 1st overall?
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As for Rosen the teammate...
This was written going into the 2017 season by an Aggie 247 contributor.
UCLA teammates and coaches rally around QB Josh Rosen
UCLA quarterback Josh Rosen stirs controversy with his public comments but his teammates have a different opinion of him as a teammate and player
- Jeff Tarpley - Aug 28, 5:49 PM
UCLA quarterback Josh Rosen received the nickname "Chosen" from his friends after a Sports Illustrated spread in 2014. However, although Rosen was seemingly "chosen" to be face of UCLA football, it hasn't worked out as planned. As Thuc Nhi Nguyen writes in the Orange County Register:
Rosen was chosen as the face of UCLA for his on-field talent and his off-field intellect. In the process, his greatest gift, his ever-questioning mind, has also become his great curse.
His honest answers stoke Internet media fires. His habit to ask “why” can be seen as challenging or arrogant. He makes more headlines for his words than his play now, especially after his sophomore season was derailed with a shoulder injury.
Rosen's coach, offensive coordinator Jedd Fisch, read things about Rosen that turned out to be less than accurate.
“I’ve learned that he’s extremely hard working,” the well-traveled 40-year-old assistant said. “That he is extremely diligent. That the game is extremely important to him. That his talent level, while special, also has a lot to do with how much he works at it. … I’ve also learned that he can be coached really hard.”
That’s the Rosen the Bruins know. The one who stays after practice to throw extra routes to any receiver who asks. The one who led every player-run practice this summer, 25 in all. The one who buys his offensive linemen dinner every week and orders them personalized gold necklaces with their last names and jersey numbers.
In fact, his teammates defended him after less than flattering articles in various publications.
“I don’t know how people can jump to that conclusion; we all love Josh,” center Scott Quessenberry said. “He comes out every day and he competes hard.”
“A lot of people don’t have that voice but a lot of us are thinking the things he says,” said safety Jaleel Wadood, who also played with Rosen at St. John Bosco. “Some of us don’t say it because they don’t have that platform like he does.”
It's Rosen's last chance to live up to expectations and be the player that his teammates tell people he is. That chance starts on September 3 versus the Aggies.
Jeff Tarpley is a clown. Very low character guy. The stories are endless.
Jeff Tarpley is a clown. Very low character guy. The stories are endless.
So he's known to make up quotes?
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As I see it, Rosen reminds me of another talented qb with arrogance/character concerns.
Jimmy Clausen, drafted by the Bears.
Well, I think you will dig under any rock to find a comparison to some failed QB.
The thing is....there are also other guys that came with arrogance and character concerns: Joe Namath, Ben Roethlisberger, Joe Theismann, Brett Favre, Ken Stabler, Aaron Rodgers etc.
So the knife could cut both ways.
A franchise QB...to me...needs to be a bit arrogant.
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As for Rosen the teammate...
This was written going into the 2017 season by an Aggie 247 contributor.
UCLA teammates and coaches rally around QB Josh Rosen
UCLA quarterback Josh Rosen stirs controversy with his public comments but his teammates have a different opinion of him as a teammate and player
- Jeff Tarpley - Aug 28, 5:49 PM
UCLA quarterback Josh Rosen received the nickname "Chosen" from his friends after a Sports Illustrated spread in 2014. However, although Rosen was seemingly "chosen" to be face of UCLA football, it hasn't worked out as planned. As Thuc Nhi Nguyen writes in the Orange County Register:
Rosen was chosen as the face of UCLA for his on-field talent and his off-field intellect. In the process, his greatest gift, his ever-questioning mind, has also become his great curse.
His honest answers stoke Internet media fires. His habit to ask “why” can be seen as challenging or arrogant. He makes more headlines for his words than his play now, especially after his sophomore season was derailed with a shoulder injury.
Rosen's coach, offensive coordinator Jedd Fisch, read things about Rosen that turned out to be less than accurate.
“I’ve learned that he’s extremely hard working,” the well-traveled 40-year-old assistant said. “That he is extremely diligent. That the game is extremely important to him. That his talent level, while special, also has a lot to do with how much he works at it. … I’ve also learned that he can be coached really hard.”
That’s the Rosen the Bruins know. The one who stays after practice to throw extra routes to any receiver who asks. The one who led every player-run practice this summer, 25 in all. The one who buys his offensive linemen dinner every week and orders them personalized gold necklaces with their last names and jersey numbers.
In fact, his teammates defended him after less than flattering articles in various publications.
“I don’t know how people can jump to that conclusion; we all love Josh,” center Scott Quessenberry said. “He comes out every day and he competes hard.”
“A lot of people don’t have that voice but a lot of us are thinking the things he says,” said safety Jaleel Wadood, who also played with Rosen at St. John Bosco. “Some of us don’t say it because they don’t have that platform like he does.”
It's Rosen's last chance to live up to expectations and be the player that his teammates tell people he is. That chance starts on September 3 versus the Aggies.
As for Rosen the teammate...
This was written going into the 2017 season by an Aggie 247 contributor.
UCLA teammates and coaches rally around QB Josh Rosen
UCLA quarterback Josh Rosen stirs controversy with his public comments but his teammates have a different opinion of him as a teammate and player
- Jeff Tarpley - Aug 28, 5:49 PM
UCLA quarterback Josh Rosen received the nickname "Chosen" from his friends after a Sports Illustrated spread in 2014. However, although Rosen was seemingly "chosen" to be face of UCLA football, it hasn't worked out as planned. As Thuc Nhi Nguyen writes in the Orange County Register:
Rosen was chosen as the face of UCLA for his on-field talent and his off-field intellect. In the process, his greatest gift, his ever-questioning mind, has also become his great curse.
His honest answers stoke Internet media fires. His habit to ask “why” can be seen as challenging or arrogant. He makes more headlines for his words than his play now, especially after his sophomore season was derailed with a shoulder injury.
Rosen's coach, offensive coordinator Jedd Fisch, read things about Rosen that turned out to be less than accurate.
“I’ve learned that he’s extremely hard working,” the well-traveled 40-year-old assistant said. “That he is extremely diligent. That the game is extremely important to him. That his talent level, while special, also has a lot to do with how much he works at it. … I’ve also learned that he can be coached really hard.”
That’s the Rosen the Bruins know. The one who stays after practice to throw extra routes to any receiver who asks. The one who led every player-run practice this summer, 25 in all. The one who buys his offensive linemen dinner every week and orders them personalized gold necklaces with their last names and jersey numbers.
In fact, his teammates defended him after less than flattering articles in various publications.
“I don’t know how people can jump to that conclusion; we all love Josh,” center Scott Quessenberry said. “He comes out every day and he competes hard.”
“A lot of people don’t have that voice but a lot of us are thinking the things he says,” said safety Jaleel Wadood, who also played with Rosen at St. John Bosco. “Some of us don’t say it because they don’t have that platform like he does.”
It's Rosen's last chance to live up to expectations and be the player that his teammates tell people he is. That chance starts on September 3 versus the Aggies.
No doubt Rosen has the smarts. That can certainly rub some people (or teammates) the wrong way. Aw gee, he doesn't like Trump, well he has plenty of company there.
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Thanks to Gip for digging up all those mocks. It will be a while before the cumlative muncher comes out. Play in bowl games will play a part. Mayfield's stock will soar if he tears it up and wins the National championship.
Won't know until mid January which underclassmen will declare.
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As for Rosen the teammate...
This was written going into the 2017 season by an Aggie 247 contributor.
UCLA teammates and coaches rally around QB Josh Rosen
UCLA quarterback Josh Rosen stirs controversy with his public comments but his teammates have a different opinion of him as a teammate and player
- Jeff Tarpley - Aug 28, 5:49 PM
UCLA quarterback Josh Rosen received the nickname "Chosen" from his friends after a Sports Illustrated spread in 2014. However, although Rosen was seemingly "chosen" to be face of UCLA football, it hasn't worked out as planned. As Thuc Nhi Nguyen writes in the Orange County Register:
Rosen was chosen as the face of UCLA for his on-field talent and his off-field intellect. In the process, his greatest gift, his ever-questioning mind, has also become his great curse.
His honest answers stoke Internet media fires. His habit to ask “why” can be seen as challenging or arrogant. He makes more headlines for his words than his play now, especially after his sophomore season was derailed with a shoulder injury.
Rosen's coach, offensive coordinator Jedd Fisch, read things about Rosen that turned out to be less than accurate.
“I’ve learned that he’s extremely hard working,” the well-traveled 40-year-old assistant said. “That he is extremely diligent. That the game is extremely important to him. That his talent level, while special, also has a lot to do with how much he works at it. … I’ve also learned that he can be coached really hard.”
That’s the Rosen the Bruins know. The one who stays after practice to throw extra routes to any receiver who asks. The one who led every player-run practice this summer, 25 in all. The one who buys his offensive linemen dinner every week and orders them personalized gold necklaces with their last names and jersey numbers.
In fact, his teammates defended him after less than flattering articles in various publications.
“I don’t know how people can jump to that conclusion; we all love Josh,” center Scott Quessenberry said. “He comes out every day and he competes hard.”
“A lot of people don’t have that voice but a lot of us are thinking the things he says,” said safety Jaleel Wadood, who also played with Rosen at St. John Bosco. “Some of us don’t say it because they don’t have that platform like he does.”
It's Rosen's last chance to live up to expectations and be the player that his teammates tell people he is. That chance starts on September 3 versus the Aggies.
No doubt Rosen has the smarts. That can certainly rub some people (or teammates) the wrong way. Aw gee, he doesn't like Trump, well he has plenty of company there.
No doubt Rosen has the smarts. That can certainly rub some people (or teammates) the wrong way. Aw gee, he doesn't like Trump, well he has plenty of company there.
I don't hate Trump.. I just wish he would hire a publicist and a speaker who could articulate his thoughts better for him...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
As I see it, Rosen reminds me of another talented qb with arrogance/character concerns.
Jimmy Clausen, drafted by the Bears.
Well, I think you will dig under any rock to find a comparison to some failed QB.
The thing is....there are also other guys that came with arrogance and character concerns: Joe Namath, Ben Roethlisberger, Joe Theismann, Brett Favre, Ken Stabler, Aaron Rodgers etc.
So the knife could cut both ways.
A franchise QB...to me...needs to be a bit arrogant.
As I see it, Rosen reminds me of another talented qb with arrogance/character concerns.
Jimmy Clausen, drafted by the Bears.
Well, I think you will dig under any rock to find a comparison to some failed QB.
The thing is....there are also other guys that came with arrogance and character concerns: Joe Namath, Ben Roethlisberger, Joe Theismann, Brett Favre, Ken Stabler, Aaron Rodgers etc.
So the knife could cut both ways.
A franchise QB...to me...needs to be a bit arrogant.
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/04/aaron-rodgers-2005-nfl-draft-scouting-reports
Rodgers - nope.
http://archive.jsonline.com/sports/packers/212246281.html/
Scouts weren't saying any such thing about Favre
Theismann and Stabler, sure....
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A fine line between entitlement/arrogance and confidence/passion.
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As I see it, Rosen reminds me of another talented qb with arrogance/character concerns.
Jimmy Clausen, drafted by the Bears.
Well, I think you will dig under any rock to find a comparison to some failed QB.
The thing is....there are also other guys that came with arrogance and character concerns: Joe Namath, Ben Roethlisberger, Joe Theismann, Brett Favre, Ken Stabler, Aaron Rodgers etc.
So the knife could cut both ways.
A franchise QB...to me...needs to be a bit arrogant.
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/04/aaron-rodgers-2005-nfl-draft-scouting-reports
Rodgers - nope.
http://archive.jsonline.com/sports/packers/212246281.html/
Scouts weren't saying any such thing about Favre
Theismann and Stabler, sure....
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/04/aaron-rodgers-2005-nfl-draft-scouting-reports
Rodgers - nope.
http://archive.jsonline.com/sports/packers/212246281.html/
Scouts weren't saying any such thing about Favre
Theismann and Stabler, sure....
Apparently the scouts missed a pretty big personality flaw with Favre - he'd be traded by Atlanta to Green Bay after one season because, in his words: "I didn't help my time with the Falcons by trying to drink all of Atlanta..."
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No doubt Rosen has the smarts. That can certainly rub some people (or teammates) the wrong way. Aw gee, he doesn't like Trump, well he has plenty of company there.
I don't hate Trump.. I just wish he would hire a publicist and a speaker who could articulate his thoughts better for him...
I don't hate Trump.. I just wish he would hire a publicist and a speaker who could articulate his thoughts better for him...
As a wise man once said: "You can't polish a turd, Beavis".
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Jeff Tarpley is a clown. Very low character guy. The stories are endless.
So he's known to make up quotes?
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http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/04/aaron-rodgers-2005-nfl-draft-scouting-reports
Rodgers - nope.
http://archive.jsonline.com/sports/packers/212246281.html/
Scouts weren't saying any such thing about Favre
Theismann and Stabler, sure....
Apparently the scouts missed a pretty big personality flaw with Favre - he'd be traded by Atlanta to Green Bay after one season because, in his words: "I didn't help my time with the Falcons by trying to drink all of Atlanta..."
Apparently the scouts missed a pretty big personality flaw with Favre - he'd be traded by Atlanta to Green Bay after one season because, in his words: "I didn't help my time with the Falcons by trying to drink all of Atlanta..."
has nothing to do with the subject of having character flaws in college prior to the draft. The Atlanta Falcons are an NFL team.
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As a wise man once said: "You can't polish a turd, Beavis".
They polished a turd on myth busters. Then you get a pretty piece of shyt
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Apparently the scouts missed a pretty big personality flaw with Favre - he'd be traded by Atlanta to Green Bay after one season because, in his words: "I didn't help my time with the Falcons by trying to drink all of Atlanta..."
has nothing to do with the subject of having character flaws in college prior to the draft. The Atlanta Falcons are an NFL team.
has nothing to do with the subject of having character flaws in college prior to the draft. The Atlanta Falcons are an NFL team.
Yes, I'm sure Favre's character flaws started immediately he was drafted by the Falcons.
He was most likely a choir boy the year before at Southern Miss.
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Apparently the scouts missed a pretty big personality flaw with Favre - he'd be traded by Atlanta to Green Bay after one season because, in his words: "I didn't help my time with the Falcons by trying to drink all of Atlanta..."
has nothing to do with the subject of having character flaws in college prior to the draft. The Atlanta Falcons are an NFL team.
has nothing to do with the subject of having character flaws in college prior to the draft. The Atlanta Falcons are an NFL team.
Glad that you are so enlightened that you do not see alcoholism and addiction as a character flaw.
Favre drank heavily....then went on to become addicted to Vicodin. But, he recovered.
And if you don't think that Favre...or Aaron Rodgers have not displayed a lot of arrogance....you must not have been watching.
By the way....I don't mind some arrogance and Sockiness if you can back it up. These guy did. A guy like JFF did not.
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has nothing to do with the subject of having character flaws in college prior to the draft. The Atlanta Falcons are an NFL team.
Glad that you are so enlightened that you do not see alcoholism and addiction as a character flaw.
Favre drank heavily....then went on to become addicted to Vicodin. But, he recovered.
And if you don't think that Favre...or Aaron Rodgers have not displayed a lot of arrogance....you must not have been watching.
By the way....I don't mind some arrogance and Sockiness if you can back it up. These guy did. A guy like JFF did not.
Glad that you are so enlightened that you do not see alcoholism and addiction as a character flaw.
Favre drank heavily....then went on to become addicted to Vicodin. But, he recovered.
And if you don't think that Favre...or Aaron Rodgers have not displayed a lot of arrogance....you must not have been watching.
By the way....I don't mind some arrogance and Sockiness if you can back it up. These guy did. A guy like JFF did not.
I'm glad you haven't lost your ability to quibble stupidly. I don't see anywhere where favre did that IN COLLEGE, as in, BEFORE THE DRAFT. that is the subject - drafting players who already showed themselves to have serious problems.
Don't be stupid - extremely confident is not the same as being character flaw asswhole arrogant. Jimmy Clausen/Rosenare not just arrogant - they have personality flaws and extreme arrogance is part of that.
I'm talking degrees here - having a great sense of humor is not the same as being a practical joker that stupidly gets people injured and no one can stand. You apparently don't know the difference.
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Meanwhile back at the thread...
I think we saw today why the answer to the thread title is, "Yes."
It's not that Kizer cannot continue to improve, he can, but everything seems to be a learning process. In the history of blank slates, I am hard pressed to think of a blanker one.
Today I saw continued improvement in intermediate level QB play for about 3.5 quarters... short touch was better... decision making was better... deep passing? Well, it wasn't worse.
But when we got to crunch time, a fresh, blank slate emerged.
- Holding the ball forever even as he moved nicely out of the pocket to get strip sacked on a third and long when a FG is a good alternative...
- Then with time waning taking a sack a foot from the sideline when a backhand pass OB kills the clock?
Situational football can be taught, can be learned... even ingrained deep enough to be there in crunch time...
... but we don't have the time.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
With a strong run defense, Njoku, Coleman, Devalve and Duke plus maybe Gordon plus a shitload of draft picks this team is ready to win some games. Kizer can develop but his red zone play is atrocious
Draft Rosen and don’t look back.
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With a strong run defense, Njoku, Coleman, Devalve and Duke plus maybe Gordon plus a shitload of draft picks this team is ready to win some games. Kizer can develop but his red zone play is atrocious
Draft Rosen and don’t look back.
With a strong run defense, Njoku, Coleman, Devalve and Duke plus maybe Gordon this team is ready to win some games. Kizer can develop but his red zone play is atrocious
Draft Rosen and don’t look back.
I have no idea if this current front office will be here come next April, but I can't see them (or whoever replaces them) staring at the #1 overall pick and saying: "Yeah, but we have Kizer"...
Not only that, what non-QB looks like a great alternative to take #1 overall?
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With a strong run defense, Njoku, Coleman, Devalve and Duke plus maybe Gordon this team is ready to win some games. Kizer can develop but his red zone play is atrocious
Draft Rosen and don’t look back.
I have no idea if this current front office will be here come next April, but I can't see them (or whoever replaces them) staring at the #1 overall pick and saying: "Yeah, but we have Kizer"...
Not only that, what non-QB looks like a great alternative to take #1 overall?
I have no idea if this current front office will be here come next April, but I can't see them (or whoever replaces them) staring at the #1 overall pick and saying: "Yeah, but we have Kizer"...
Not only that, what non-QB looks like a great alternative to take #1 overall?
Exactly, it is going to be a QB, it’s all set up for it. And then add some playmakers on the perimeter on both sides of the ball.
People will be surprised how quickly this team can win
Edit - new head coach permitting
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