Should we draft a quarterback 1st overall?
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I dont know what your watching but Kizer is clearly not ready and should have never played this season.. He sucks..
Bring in an established vet, or actually draft a good QB with the 1st pick for once
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I said the year they got little johnny they need to trade that pick for Kirk cousins but they didn't. But the other day darnold back tracked and said that he never said he wasn't coming out of the browns had the first pick. Is Peyton the new gm? Is that what changed his tune?
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After evaluating Kizer...
We must draft a QB #1. Or take Saquon Barkley, and then trade up a few spots to nab a QB...
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Using the first overall pick on a running back would not only never happen, but also be the kiss of death for this front office (assuming they survive this season).
The Texans keep losing and it appears their ceiling is 6 wins this season, more likely 5, hopefully 4. If The Browns have a hard on for Barkley, they can draft him with their second first rounder. This off season needs to be about finding the QB unless Kizer flips a switch in these last 4 games and plays the Browns out of the first pick by winning 3 games, but we all know that won’t happen.
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Using the first overall pick on a running back would not only never happen, but also be the kiss of death for this front office (assuming they survive this season).
The Texans keep losing and it appears their ceiling is 6 wins this season, more likely 5, hopefully 4. If The Browns have a hard on for Barkley, they can draft him with their second first rounder. This off season needs to be about finding the QB unless Kizer flips a switch in these last 4 games and plays the Browns out of the first pick by winning 3 games, but we all know that won’t happen.
Using the first overall pick on a running back would not only never happen, but also be the kiss of death for this front office (assuming they survive this season).
The Texans keep losing and it appears their ceiling is 6 wins this season, more likely 5, hopefully 4. If The Browns have a hard on for Barkley, they can draft him with their second first rounder. This off season needs to be about finding the QB unless Kizer flips a switch in these last 4 games and plays the Browns out of the first pick by winning 3 games, but we all know that won’t happen.
I'd be cool with a stud RB in the second round, or minkah/barkley and a QB in the first round.
Just please get rid of Crow, who is essentially blind, and get someone to call the plays who doesn't run it first down up the middle with crow 95% of the time.
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Glad that you are so enlightened that you do not see alcoholism and addiction as a character flaw.
Favre drank heavily....then went on to become addicted to Vicodin. But, he recovered.
And if you don't think that Favre...or Aaron Rodgers have not displayed a lot of arrogance....you must not have been watching.
By the way....I don't mind some arrogance and Sockiness if you can back it up. These guy did. A guy like JFF did not.
I'm glad you haven't lost your ability to quibble stupidly. I don't see anywhere where favre did that IN COLLEGE, as in, BEFORE THE DRAFT. that is the subject - drafting players who already showed themselves to have serious problems.
Don't be stupid - extremely confident is not the same as being character flaw asswhole arrogant. Jimmy Clausen/Rosenare not just arrogant - they have personality flaws and extreme arrogance is part of that.
I'm talking degrees here - having a great sense of humor is not the same as being a practical joker that stupidly gets people injured and no one can stand. You apparently don't know the difference.
I'm glad you haven't lost your ability to quibble stupidly. I don't see anywhere where favre did that IN COLLEGE, as in, BEFORE THE DRAFT. that is the subject - drafting players who already showed themselves to have serious problems.
Don't be stupid - extremely confident is not the same as being character flaw asswhole arrogant. Jimmy Clausen/Rosenare not just arrogant - they have personality flaws and extreme arrogance is part of that.
I'm talking degrees here - having a great sense of humor is not the same as being a practical joker that stupidly gets people injured and no one can stand. You apparently don't know the difference.
You are the one that is being judgmental and being stupidly quibbling.
You think that Rosen has character flaws. I say that I don't care because: A. I am not judgmental. B. I don't care if he has character flaws....he is not my kid, my friend, my client...I only care if he can play football. If he can do that with or without character flaws...it don't matter to me..as long as he can play.
I don't care if he IS extremely arrogant....IF that arrogance results in him...or any one else, becoming a superior QB for the Cleveland Browns.
YOU can worry about his personal life and his personal flaws if you want. You can go counsel him or you can ignore him...it means no never mind to me. If he can bring entertainment and winning to the Cleveland Browns then I don't care.
Yes, I do care IF those "character flaws" affect his ability to play for this team....but only to the extent that if that happens then he can get his butt out of here. But I am not going to prejudge that potential. Like JFF....when his character flaws affected the team and his play....Sayonara to him.
That is all that matters to me. Unless you want to pay me otherwise to be concerned.
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Meanwhile back at the thread...
I think we saw today why the answer to the thread title is, "Yes."
It's not that Kizer cannot continue to improve, he can, but everything seems to be a learning process. In the history of blank slates, I am hard pressed to think of a blanker one.
Today I saw continued improvement in intermediate level QB play for about 3.5 quarters... short touch was better... decision making was better... deep passing? Well, it wasn't worse.
But when we got to crunch time, a fresh, blank slate emerged.
- Holding the ball forever even as he moved nicely out of the pocket to get strip sacked on a third and long when a FG is a good alternative...
- Then with time waning taking a sack a foot from the sideline when a backhand pass OB kills the clock?
Situational football can be taught, can be learned... even ingrained deep enough to be there in crunch time...
... but we don't have the time.
Meanwhile back at the thread...
I think we saw today why the answer to the thread title is, "Yes."
It's not that Kizer cannot continue to improve, he can, but everything seems to be a learning process. In the history of blank slates, I am hard pressed to think of a blanker one.
Today I saw continued improvement in intermediate level QB play for about 3.5 quarters... short touch was better... decision making was better... deep passing? Well, it wasn't worse.
But when we got to crunch time, a fresh, blank slate emerged.
- Holding the ball forever even as he moved nicely out of the pocket to get strip sacked on a third and long when a FG is a good alternative...
- Then with time waning taking a sack a foot from the sideline when a backhand pass OB kills the clock?
Situational football can be taught, can be learned... even ingrained deep enough to be there in crunch time...
... but we don't have the time.
Again.....is he going to become the second coming of Mike Phipps....who just NEVER learned or developed the instincts to not make those stupid plays.
It is why I am all in favor of getting someone else in here. I don't care if it hurts Kizer's feeling to have to compete. Just get someone who can play good. He don't play no good....and I don't know if he can get any gooder.
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HA!!!! good man. sorry dude, not trying to come at you like that.
i mean you are correct when comparing kizer to other rookies who have taken this league by storm......BUT
my point is, i don't see any one rookie distinguishing himself as some wentz or goff this coming draft. yeah we could draft someone who might be as good (or not) as kizer but if that's the case then just keep kizer. a lot of the bad Sheet he does he does under duress in his own mind because of the spped of the pro level or just plain rookie NFL mistakes (i.e. short or over-the-head throws or bullet passes when he needed just a touch lob toss.....) don't know if it's fixable BUT everyone last year was calling Goff a bust his frosh year when played and yet this year with his head expanded he looks at times like montana.
and then our bone headed FO let's players who might contribute to a win just walk out the door because of analytics. mccown looked like Montana today even though that team sucks as bad as the browns....(well, obviously not).
Don't get me started on the guys we let walk.... (((())))
There's the difference Mik- I do. Re watch that last Kizer interception about 10 times and you'll see my point. Not only was the intended receiver double covered like a blanket- he threw the ball around 10 yards too short. Earlier Potential completion to Gordon- a true Sam Snead "Worm Burner" that had no chance.
So I ask you- did Bernie ever look like he sucked this bad when he got his chance? FWIW, Gordon is better than anyone Kosar had at WR. While we're at it- Ghoolie pegged Coleman as a bust- and he just might be right.
Don't get me started on the guys we let walk.... (((())))
There's the difference Mik- I do. Re watch that last Kizer interception about 10 times and you'll see my point. Not only was the intended receiver double covered like a blanket- he threw the ball around 10 yards too short. Earlier Potential completion to Gordon- a true Sam Snead "Worm Burner" that had no chance.
So I ask you- did Bernie ever look like he sucked this bad when he got his chance? FWIW, Gordon is better than anyone Kosar had at WR. While we're at it- Ghoolie pegged Coleman as a bust- and he just might be right.
Funny thing was , I was going to retort with Ozzie Nescome.. But then I remember he was kind of a token player on that getting his "one catch" a game the last few years of his career...
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Meanwhile back at the thread...
I think we saw today why the answer to the thread title is, "Yes."
It's not that Kizer cannot continue to improve, he can, but everything seems to be a learning process. In the history of blank slates, I am hard pressed to think of a blanker one.
Today I saw continued improvement in intermediate level QB play for about 3.5 quarters... short touch was better... decision making was better... deep passing? Well, it wasn't worse.
But when we got to crunch time, a fresh, blank slate emerged.
- Holding the ball forever even as he moved nicely out of the pocket to get strip sacked on a third and long when a FG is a good alternative...
- Then with time waning taking a sack a foot from the sideline when a backhand pass OB kills the clock?
Situational football can be taught, can be learned... even ingrained deep enough to be there in crunch time...
... but we don't have the time.
I think the game just moves too fast for Kizer unfortunately. Equally as unfortunate....I think it moves to fast for our head coach as well to handle the job. Those two things together are not going to win many games.
I think the game just moves too fast for Kizer unfortunately. Equally as unfortunate....I think it moves to fast for our head coach as well to handle the job. Those two things together are not going to win many games.
Sayonara to current day Nick Skorich....and get a Brian Sipe to replace the current day Mike Phipps.
I like the term I coined about Kizer: a Yeti in a desert.
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The good news about Kizer being so bad is that we can be sure that we will draft a QB high next draft.
Imagine if he stepped up in his game and they got to think ''hey, maybe he's our guy''... Yikes!
what i saw of the game in passing (as in walking away) is not kizer as the prob.
all you #s fags and guys who propose the brown's defense is some great entity, i can post video right now showing opposing rbs and wrs running through this 'killer' D like a hot knife through butter, every Shmucking week since the 0-0 start of this season. so go ahead and tout this group like they are 11 and 1.
i'd rather have deshone kizer as the brown's qb next year and not reach into this whack-butt qb class considering the past decade of NOT picking (at all, not even really attempting) the classic prototypical rookie who in their sophomore or junior year has become a NFL stantion. do we really have to name them? and now consider a rosen or darnold as someone that can even sniff their jocks?
why not fix the OL and running game and actually fix this so-called killer D before being worried about some weak, thin-elbowed west coast fag as a saviour of this team next year when you could've had starting pros from A-Z even past 2 years?
btw, if my name was aaron rodgers and had that talent plus banging olivia munn i'd be Socky too. ask sonny jurgensen, mickey mantle, ty cobb, lawrence taylor, david wells or even oil can (smoke crack between innings) boyd how they did intoxicated on the field.
what i saw of the game in passing (as in walking away) is not kizer as the prob.
all you #s fags and guys who propose the brown's defense is some great entity, i can post video right now showing opposing rbs and wrs running through this 'killer' D like a hot knife through butter, every Shmucking week since the 0-0 start of this season. so go ahead and tout this group like they are 11 and 1.
i'd rather have deshone kizer as the brown's qb next year and not reach into this whack-butt qb class considering the past decade of NOT picking (at all, not even really attempting) the classic prototypical rookie who in their sophomore or junior year has become a NFL stantion. do we really have to name them? and now consider a rosen or darnold as someone that can even sniff their jocks?
why not fix the OL and running game and actually fix this so-called killer D before being worried about some weak, thin-elbowed west coast fag as a saviour of this team next year when you could've had starting pros from A-Z even past 2 years?
btw, if my name was aaron rodgers and had that talent plus banging olivia munn i'd be Socky too. ask sonny jurgensen, mickey mantle, ty cobb, lawrence taylor, david wells or even oil can (smoke crack between innings) boyd how they did intoxicated on the field.
No one is claiming this D is playing great. No doubt that some improvements are needed: some better DBs.
And what is it about TEs just being wide open over the middle all the time? Is it because Peppers is 30 yards behind the line of scrimmage. Still...the fact that we have defensive problems does not mean that we can't see issues with this QB.
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what i saw of the game in passing (as in walking away) is not kizer as the prob.
all you #s fags and guys who propose the brown's defense is some great entity, i can post video right now showing opposing rbs and wrs running through this 'killer' D like a hot knife through butter, every Shmucking week since the 0-0 start of this season. so go ahead and tout this group like they are 11 and 1.
i'd rather have deshone kizer as the brown's qb next year and not reach into this whack-butt qb class considering the past decade of NOT picking (at all, not even really attempting) the classic prototypical rookie who in their sophomore or junior year has become a NFL stantion. do we really have to name them? and now consider a rosen or darnold as someone that can even sniff their jocks?
why not fix the OL and running game and actually fix this so-called killer D before being worried about some weak, thin-elbowed west coast fag as a saviour of this team next year when you could've had starting pros from A-Z even past 2 years?
btw, if my name was aaron rodgers and had that talent plus banging olivia munn i'd be Socky too. ask sonny jurgensen, mickey mantle, ty cobb, lawrence taylor, david wells or even oil can (smoke crack between innings) boyd how they did intoxicated on the field.
No one is claiming this D is playing great. No doubt that some improvements are needed: some better DBs.
And what is it about TEs just being wide open over the middle all the time? Is it because Peppers is 30 yards behind the line of scrimmage. Still...the fact that we have defensive problems does not mean that we can't see issues with this QB.
No one is claiming this D is playing great. No doubt that some improvements are needed: some better DBs.
And what is it about TEs just being wide open over the middle all the time? Is it because Peppers is 30 yards behind the line of scrimmage. Still...the fact that we have defensive problems does not mean that we can't see issues with this QB.
We have to address the defensive backs. Too bad that I don't really believe DeSean Kizer has the guy because we could have a great running back Prospect and wide receiver Prospect and have three picks in the second round for the defensive backfield.
WSS
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Using the first overall pick on a running back would not only never happen, but also be the kiss of death for this front office (assuming they survive this season).
The Texans keep losing and it appears their ceiling is 6 wins this season, more likely 5, hopefully 4. If The Browns have a hard on for Barkley, they can draft him with their second first rounder. This off season needs to be about finding the QB unless Kizer flips a switch in these last 4 games and plays the Browns out of the first pick by winning 3 games, but we all know that won’t happen.
Using the first overall pick on a running back would not only never happen, but also be the kiss of death for this front office (assuming they survive this season).
You don't think that 1-27 isn't already a kiss of death?
The Texans keep losing and it appears their ceiling is 6 wins this season, more likely 5, hopefully 4. If The Browns have a hard on for Barkley, they can draft him with their second first rounder. This off season needs to be about finding the QB unless Kizer flips a switch in these last 4 games and plays the Browns out of the first pick by winning 3 games, but we all know that won’t happen.
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