Josh Rosen?
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I agree that Rosen is the pocket passer in this class. And while he is not immobile... neither can he be called "mobile."
So in my mind he's the clear #1 as well.
But... if a franchise is looking for mobility in their QB, then I can see them going elsewhere.
I've seen every Rosen snap and his pocket movement is Brady like in terms of being slippery and finding a different launch point. While the "mobile QB" tag may never be slapped on him, he's definitely good enough.
My only concern is wondering what's in his heart.... Does he love football enough to be great at the next level? He's been hard to read on that for all the years I've seen him play. Just when I think "Hell yea, dude is a warrior" then another game pops up where I wondered if he needed a nap at half time..... I just don't know about his motor.
I've seen every Rosen snap and his pocket movement is Brady like in terms of being slippery and finding a different launch point. While the "mobile QB" tag may never be slapped on him, he's definitely good enough.
My only concern is wondering what's in his heart.... Does he love football enough to be great at the next level? He's been hard to read on that for all the years I've seen him play. Just when I think "Hell yea, dude is a warrior" then another game pops up where I wondered if he needed a nap at half time..... I just don't know about his motor.
Agree... between the lines he's the best I see. Off-field? I have no way of knowing for sure.
Fortunately we now have a football guy!
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Comparing Rosen to Manziel is completely absurd. Off the field... on the field.... they're nothing alike.
It's no more absurd than comparing Mayfield to Manziel.
https://nflspinzone.com/2017/06/30/2018-nfl-draft-josh-rosen-smear-campaign/
On the Rich Eisen Show recently, UCLA coach Jim Mora heaped tremendous praise on Rosen but also said he has asked Rosen if he wants to be more like
Johnny Manziel or Tom Brady. The implication is clear. Maybe Rosen should tone it down.So let me think for a second, his own college coach compared him to Manziel on the record but we shouldn't?After his junior year of High School, he was invited to the Elite 11 quarterback camp. It is a huge honor to be selected. The best high school quarterbacks in the country go and are tutored about how to get to the next level by ex and current NFL quarterbacks.
Rosen went to the camp and thought he knew everything already. He did not pay attention during film sessions, and was outright rude to the veteran quarterbacks there. Trent Dilfer who ran the camp had a number of quotes about Josh. The least offensive of which was “My bigger thing was he thinks he knows more than he knows.”
He is the son of two wealthy, Ivy-League educated parents. He is very smart…but most people can’t stand him.
His dream school was Stanford. Even though he was the #1 high school recruit in the country, after doing a background check on him, Stanford wanted nothing to do with him and did not offer him a scholarship. USC did not recruit him hard for the same reason.
Rosen has a tremendous upside, but many articles and sources indicate, he is also an arrogant jerk.
https://nflspinzone.com/2017/06/30/2018-nfl-draft-josh-rosen-smear-campaign/
On the Rich Eisen Show recently, UCLA coach Jim Mora heaped tremendous praise on Rosen but also said he has asked Rosen if he wants to be more like
Johnny Manziel or Tom Brady. The implication is clear. Maybe Rosen should tone it down.You really might want to read the entire article since the author ends up questioning the motives of the "anonymous scouts"... and you.
It's no more absurd than comparing Mayfield to Manziel.
Sure it is... and I have the game film and arrest records to prove it.
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I think I can't stand away from the QB discussion anymore.
Every NFL scouting team has its schedule, that goes until the Combine or Pro Days I'd say, in order to set up a board for the draft and approach different prospects in Pro Days, interviews etc. Right now, I bet that they are compiling info and nobody can make a half way decent mock draft simply because not even the GMs have made their mind yet.
I don't give too much credit to August news, either. There's a lot of stuff going on the year before the draft, that you can have hundreds of reports going many ways simply because of the many interests that surround the draft. Say that you are the Giants or Denver GM, and pick just after Browns and also need a QB. If you want Rosen you will probably try to minimize his appeal, and if a reporter asks you, you just say 'he's OK but you are concerned about his character.' By now you may think that I'm contradicting myself, but as the year goes on you can tell (and reporters do) better what's the general trend and what is a smoke curtain.
And when evaluating the players, please. The intangibles. That kind of stuff is amazing...
I almost only care about work ethic. The rest? I think intangibles should be only a 'tiebreaker' between two prospects with similar tangibles. Of the best QBs in the NFL, I'd say that the only ones that strike me as real leaders or motivators are Brady, Wilson, Cousins, Stafford, Rivers... Rogers isn't a great leader, neither Cam, or Smith. And I wish we had any of them.
QBs being jerks doesn't surprise me. They are the most important player in one of the most important sports. You want a guy that works his butt off, if you can add a great leadership mind, fantastic, but it is just a topping, in my opinion, and many things should be evaluated first.
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Sure it's early, but we're Browns fans...
We play to win the Draft!
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You'd think short QBs with obvious maturity issues who play in the Big 12 would be red flags too...
You'd think short QBs with obvious maturity issues who play in the Big 12 would be red flags too...
Yeah, he's 2" taller than Russell Wilson (just as mobile), and 1" taller than Drew Brees. Height won't be a major issue. Big 12 soft D? TCU had a decent defense, and he destroyed them. Ditto Ohio State. Maturity issues, yep, but he's no Manziel, apologized for his on field behavior, something Johnny Football never did. Teammates love playing for him. He wins the National Championship, his stock will go through the roof.
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Who would you rather have doing your heart surgery: the highly qualified guy with a bad attitude or the C-level grad with a great bed side manner? Give me highly qualified douche bag all day.
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So as expected, basically the only argument against Rosen is the attitude problem, with three marked examples
1) Wearing a stupid hat on a golf course- HOLY Sheet!
2) Making an articulate point about the nonsense that is NCAA sports- WHAT A DOUCHE
3) Rogue scouts saying he has attitude problems.
Mind you, this is directly from Jim Mora:
"It's important to know this about Josh Rosen: He's very, very, very well respected by his coaches and his teammates because we see on a daily basis his commitment, his work ethic, his attitude, his passion for football," Mora said. "We also know he's an incredibly intelligent young man that does have opinions. Oftentimes, those opinions are conveyed to others because he is trying to bring attention to some who are less fortunate or have less than he does, and at times he feels are being taken advantage of."
My point with all this is let's cut the crap, and take the best player in the draft in the strongest position of need. Please don't overthink this thing, and let the kid take over.
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Who would you rather have doing your heart surgery: the highly qualified guy with a bad attitude or the C-level grad with a great bed side manner? Give me highly qualified douche bag all day.
Who would you rather have doing your heart surgery: the highly qualified guy with a bad attitude or the C-level grad with a great bed side manner? Give me highly qualified douche bag all day.
That's from House MD? I remember having the same conversation with my mother, when she said that the character shouldn't be so hateful.
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Who would you rather have doing your heart surgery: the highly qualified guy with a bad attitude or the C-level grad with a great bed side manner? Give me highly qualified douche bag all day.
That's from House MD? I remember having the same conversation with my mother, when she said that the character shouldn't be so hateful.
That's from House MD? I remember having the same conversation with my mother, when she said that the character shouldn't be so hateful.
It could have been? I have just had surgeons before who were borderline autistic in their inability to communicate with patients. However, they did a great job so I didn't give a damn haha.
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Comparing Rosen to Manziel is completely absurd. Off the field... on the field.... they're nothing alike.
It's no more absurd than comparing Mayfield to Manziel.
https://nflspinzone.com/2017/06/30/2018-nfl-draft-josh-rosen-smear-campaign/
On the Rich Eisen Show recently, UCLA coach Jim Mora heaped tremendous praise on Rosen but also said he has asked Rosen if he wants to be more like
Johnny Manziel or Tom Brady. The implication is clear. Maybe Rosen should tone it down.So let me think for a second, his own college coach compared him to Manziel on the record but we shouldn't?After his junior year of High School, he was invited to the Elite 11 quarterback camp. It is a huge honor to be selected. The best high school quarterbacks in the country go and are tutored about how to get to the next level by ex and current NFL quarterbacks.
Rosen went to the camp and thought he knew everything already. He did not pay attention during film sessions, and was outright rude to the veteran quarterbacks there. Trent Dilfer who ran the camp had a number of quotes about Josh. The least offensive of which was “My bigger thing was he thinks he knows more than he knows.”
He is the son of two wealthy, Ivy-League educated parents. He is very smart…but most people can’t stand him.
His dream school was Stanford. Even though he was the #1 high school recruit in the country, after doing a background check on him, Stanford wanted nothing to do with him and did not offer him a scholarship. USC did not recruit him hard for the same reason.
Rosen has a tremendous upside, but many articles and sources indicate, he is also an arrogant jerk.
Trent Dilfer who ran the camp had a number of quotes about Josh. The least offensive of which was “My bigger thing was he thinks he knows more than he knows.”
Lol, Trent Dilfer? That hypocritical turd should look in the mirror.
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Trent Dilfer who ran the camp had a number of quotes about Josh. The least offensive of which was “My bigger thing was he thinks he knows more than he knows.”
Lol, Trent Dilfer? That hypocritical turd should look in the mirror.
Lol, Trent Dilfer? That hypocritical turd should look in the mirror.
I don't remember Trent Dilfer ever being spoken of as an pooper. I think that's revisionist on your part.
WSS
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Dilfer has since changed his opinion after being around Rosen this past summer.
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So as expected, basically the only argument against Rosen is the attitude problem, with three marked examples
1) Wearing a stupid hat on a golf course- HOLY Sheet!
2) Making an articulate point about the nonsense that is NCAA sports- WHAT A DOUCHE
3) Rogue scouts saying he has attitude problems.
Mind you, this is directly from Jim Mora:
"It's important to know this about Josh Rosen: He's very, very, very well respected by his coaches and his teammates because we see on a daily basis his commitment, his work ethic, his attitude, his passion for football," Mora said. "We also know he's an incredibly intelligent young man that does have opinions. Oftentimes, those opinions are conveyed to others because he is trying to bring attention to some who are less fortunate or have less than he does, and at times he feels are being taken advantage of."
My point with all this is let's cut the crap, and take the best player in the draft in the strongest position of need. Please don't overthink this thing, and let the kid take over.
So as expected, basically the only argument against Rosen is the attitude problem, with three marked examples
1) Wearing a stupid hat on a golf course- HOLY Sheet!
2) Making an articulate point about the nonsense that is NCAA sports- WHAT A DOUCHE
3) Rogue scouts saying he has attitude problems.
Mind you, this is directly from Jim Mora:
"It's important to know this about Josh Rosen: He's very, very, very well respected by his coaches and his teammates because we see on a daily basis his commitment, his work ethic, his attitude, his passion for football," Mora said. "We also know he's an incredibly intelligent young man that does have opinions. Oftentimes, those opinions are conveyed to others because he is trying to bring attention to some who are less fortunate or have less than he does, and at times he feels are being taken advantage of."
My point with all this is let's cut the crap, and take the best player in the draft in the strongest position of need. Please don't overthink this thing, and let the kid take over.
bs. the hat never had anything to do with it - it's several things that make a lot of folks consider him a prima donna entitlement whining complaining finger pointing disagreeing sombeitch. or not. Yeah, UCLA - Rosen is so good his coach got fired. Probably? for not disciplining his smart mouth qb. No thanks. Too bad mouthy boy was wanting to be a leader of the world instead of his football team. Rosen seems dedicated only to himself. That is what crap is.
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Happy ... trails: UCLA fires football coach Jim Mora on his birthday - LA ...
www.latimes.com/sports/ucla/la-sp-ucla-mora-fired-20171119-story.htmlNov 19, 2017 - An era that once appeared so full of promise for UCLA ended with a thud Sunday when the school announced it had fired football coach Jim Mora, who could not build upon considerable early success while his teams sputtered the past two seasons. The Bruins, 5-6 overall and 3-5 in the Pac-12 Conference ...
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Meanwhile, Mora’s QB Josh Rosen virtually ensured that Dan Guerrero’s phone will ring off the hook this week when he offered his thoughts on the banners.
“I thought it was absurd,” Rosen said.
Rosen continued:
"Parents of some kids on our team don’t make $30,000 in a year. To put that into a banner is absurd. Coach Mora went and climbed Kilimanjaro to raise money to dig wells for people in Africa to have clean water and I think one well might have been, like, $20,000 or something like that. It’s just absurd. It’s disrespectful. It’s disgusting. If you don’t think Coach Mora should be our coach, go talk to our AD yourself. Don’t publicly do something stupid that costs an unnecessary amount of money. That’s ridiculous. We love our coach. We’d all do anything for him and we know he’d do anything for us."
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we don't need a gigantic mouthpiece complaining about every freaking thing that moves in the media.
gee, rosie rosen, ya think those poor people in Africa could have used a hot tub? or the money you used to buy it?
I don't think I remember rosie starting a UCLA fundraiser while he was mouthing off all the time, and sitting in his hottub
in his room.
A pro qb who thinks he is above all rules, and nothing is good enough - he demands more, and will raise hell in the media
at every chance he feels like it. Nope. The Browns want to build a super bowl team, not bring in the United Nations to enforce
redistribution of wealth phoney "mmgw" taxes.
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Who would you rather have doing your heart surgery: the highly qualified guy with a bad attitude or the C-level grad with a great bed side manner? Give me highly qualified douche bag all day.
Who would you rather have doing your heart surgery: the highly qualified guy with a bad attitude or the C-level grad with a great bed side manner? Give me highly qualified douche bag all day.
who would you rather pull you over for speeding on a rainy night in Georgia?
A really respectful policemen with a smile?
Or a really smartass, angry tough guy ready to pound you to the ground for nothing because you're out of state, throw you into a cell, have your car towed, and then kick you in the nuts because you didn't yell "YES SIR" loud enough?
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Who would you rather have doing your heart surgery: the highly qualified guy with a bad attitude or the C-level grad with a great bed side manner? Give me highly qualified douche bag all day.
Who would you rather have doing your heart surgery: the highly qualified guy with a bad attitude or the C-level grad with a great bed side manner? Give me highly qualified douche bag all day.
I want the highly qualified guy 11 out of 10 times. I want him to be the best, period. This is the rest of my life - and I'm paying him to fix the ticker, not to drink a beer with me.
Each and every person who asserts that a surgeon/specialist "could" be nicer...... has never asked a clinician what medical training is like. They are trained to be that way because you can't think when something bad happens on the table - you can only react correctly if you're trained HARDER than the stress of the situation - and so if you really don't like that, there's exactly one solution.... you go get the training and succeed so well that everyone else will do what you say -- and then change the culture yourself.
I really am never shocked that every entitled person who whines about nice also doesn't want to work hard enough to do anything differently.... in every profession.
With Rosen, the insult/smear is intentionally non-specific.. "He's A Douche." OK.. HOW exactly is he a douche? He demands his players run the correct route? He studies film of his opponents late into the night? Yes, he thought he knew more at the Elite11 camp prior to college, but that seems par for the course and not some sort of "intrinsic neg." And this is exactly what his coach has said.
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So as expected, basically the only argument against Rosen is the attitude problem, with three marked examples
1) Wearing a stupid hat on a golf course- HOLY Sheet!
2) Making an articulate point about the nonsense that is NCAA sports- WHAT A DOUCHE
3) Rogue scouts saying he has attitude problems.
Mind you, this is directly from Jim Mora:
"It's important to know this about Josh Rosen: He's very, very, very well respected by his coaches and his teammates because we see on a daily basis his commitment, his work ethic, his attitude, his passion for football," Mora said. "We also know he's an incredibly intelligent young man that does have opinions. Oftentimes, those opinions are conveyed to others because he is trying to bring attention to some who are less fortunate or have less than he does, and at times he feels are being taken advantage of."
My point with all this is let's cut the crap, and take the best player in the draft in the strongest position of need. Please don't overthink this thing, and let the kid take over.
bs. the hat never had anything to do with it - it's several things that make a lot of folks consider him a prima donna entitlement whining complaining finger pointing disagreeing sombeitch. or not. Yeah, UCLA - Rosen is so good his coach got fired. Probably? for not disciplining his smart mouth qb. No thanks. Too bad mouthy boy was wanting to be a leader of the world instead of his football team. Rosen seems dedicated only to himself. That is what crap is.
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Happy ... trails: UCLA fires football coach Jim Mora on his birthday - LA ...
www.latimes.com/sports/ucla/la-sp-ucla-mora-fired-20171119-story.htmlNov 19, 2017 - An era that once appeared so full of promise for UCLA ended with a thud Sunday when the school announced it had fired football coach Jim Mora, who could not build upon considerable early success while his teams sputtered the past two seasons. The Bruins, 5-6 overall and 3-5 in the Pac-12 Conference ...
bs. the hat never had anything to do with it - it's several things that make a lot of folks consider him a prima donna entitlement whining complaining finger pointing disagreeing sombeitch. or not. Yeah, UCLA - Rosen is so good his coach got fired. Probably? for not disciplining his smart mouth qb. No thanks. Too bad mouthy boy was wanting to be a leader of the world instead of his football team. Rosen seems dedicated only to himself. That is what crap is.
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Happy ... trails: UCLA fires football coach Jim Mora on his birthday - LA ...
www.latimes.com/sports/ucla/la-sp-ucla-mora-fired-20171119-story.htmlNov 19, 2017 - An era that once appeared so full of promise for UCLA ended with a thud Sunday when the school announced it had fired football coach Jim Mora, who could not build upon considerable early success while his teams sputtered the past two seasons. The Bruins, 5-6 overall and 3-5 in the Pac-12 Conference ...
So violently assuming things without any proof, largely spurred by nothing but crazy opinions? That's why you don't like him, cut the crap. To say Rosen got Mora fired is beyond moronic, but no surprises there. You're right though, a player defending his coach from moron fans is cause for concern alright! Jesus Christ.
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