Josh Allen - Potato Bowl game
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Uh oh.
Mr. "I run to the board's moderators when my snowflake feelings get hurt" calfox is going to be mighty upset to hear his golden boy used such unprofessional potty language!
Uh oh.
Mr. "I run to the board's moderators when my snowflake feelings get hurt" calfox is going to be mighty upset to hear his golden boy used such unprofessional potty language!
I personally thought it was funny as hell haha.
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Uh oh.
Mr. "I run to the board's moderators when my snowflake feelings get hurt" calfox is going to be mighty upset to hear his golden boy used such unprofessional potty language!
I personally thought it was funny as hell haha.
I personally thought it was funny as hell haha.
All personal thoughs aside, Allen is an exciting prospect, but he desperately needs to go to a franchise who is established, where they can take a raw talent like Allen and work out the flaws. Like what Kansas City is doing with another talented but raw prospect in Mahomes.
The Browns are not that team.
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@boo-fagley said:
Mahomes is sitting this year and likely starting or at least playing in some games next season. The Browns need to sit the draftee QB just like Mahomes. Situations like Russell Wilson and Watson are rare. Wilson landed on a team with a defense that could overcome his mistakes and let him be a game manager. Watson landed with Bill O'Brien who is a damn good QB coach and has a mind for offense.
Most NFL QBs need a season to get acclimated to the speed of the game, long season and complexity.
Not if we draft Rosen, he plays in a pro style and will be ready to go, but i would like to get a vet to start the season and let the speed of the NFL game sink in.
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I personally thought it was funny as hell haha.
All personal thoughs aside, Allen is an exciting prospect, but he desperately needs to go to a franchise who is established, where they can take a raw talent like Allen and work out the flaws. Like what Kansas City is doing with another talented but raw prospect in Mahomes.
The Browns are not that team.
All personal thoughs aside, Allen is an exciting prospect, but he desperately needs to go to a franchise who is established, where they can take a raw talent like Allen and work out the flaws. Like what Kansas City is doing with another talented but raw prospect in Mahomes.
The Browns are not that team.
Definitely get that. It would only work in Cleveland with a vet in front of him for a year. QBs contract ebola in Cleveland so that likely would not work.
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Uh oh.
Mr. "I run to the board's moderators when my snowflake feelings get hurt" calfox is going to be mighty upset to hear his golden boy used such unprofessional potty language!
Not so fast. As much as I enjoy your sense of humor and your posts - you're wrong here so hear me out. You just joined this board a few months ago. Cal's been on this board since 1998 and I've never heard or seen this tale of tattling. Seems like a strange about face in character. Let's keep the Jerry Springer trash down to 1 guy in here. You're better than that Dutch!
Not so fast. As much as I enjoy your sense of humor and your posts - you're wrong here so hear me out. You just joined this board a few months ago. Cal's been on this board since 1998 and I've never heard or seen this tale of tattling. Seems like a strange about face in character. Let's keep the Jerry Springer trash down to 1 guy in here. You're better than that Dutch!
Thank you. Used to be, years ago, we could never talk football, for all the other subjects brought up, especially politics, so I campaigned for a separate forum. Some liberals, one a moderator, and atenears, didn't like it, but finally agreed. Threats to kill someone's family, talking about wanting other peoples' daughters to be raped.... etc etc etc.... and I end up being very conservative, much to a certain moderator's chagrin... I just want to talk football here. And most of us have several friends on the board - I don't get the hate over either subject.
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@boo-fagley said:
Watson landed with Bill O'Brien who is a damn good QB coach and has a mind for offense.
Yes, he did wonders with Case Keenum. Waived him once, claimed him from a PS and then traded him off for a 7th so he could eventually end up leading Minn. to a div. championship this year.
Pure QB genius.
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Disclaimer: I really wanted to edit my original post when I referred to Allen as an "exciting prospect", but it's been quoted too many times already.
I think he's an "interesting" or "intriguing" prospect.
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Disclaimer: I really wanted to edit my original post when I referred to Allen as an "exciting prospect", but it's been quoted too many times already.
I think he's an "interesting" or "intriguing" prospect.
Disclaimer: I really wanted to edit my original post when I referred to Allen as an "exciting prospect", but it's been quoted too many times already.
I think he's “the best talent in football history" prospect.
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haha
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Disclaimer: I really wanted to edit my original post when I referred to Allen as an "exciting prospect", but it's been quoted too many times already.
I think he's an "interesting" or "intriguing" prospect.
Disclaimer: I really wanted to edit my original post when I referred to Allen as an "exciting prospect", but it's been quoted too many times already.
I think he's an "interesting" or "intriguing" prospect.
nfl.com- Ben Roethlisberger- or Blake Bortles. Take your pick. Browns will seriously scout him, but I doubt they would draft a "project". His completion % pales in comparison to Baker Mayfield.
Man, that Deshone Kizer can make all the throws too with his "live" arm- most of the time 10' over Gordon's head, like that beaut of an interception today. (I'll take that back, Kizer can't throw an accurate fade to the end zone). An inaccurate canon is worthless if it can't consistently hit it's target. Anyday, I'll take the guy with slightly less arm that's 10X more accurate with his passes. And I don't want to hear Mayfield is undersized- he's taller than Drew Brees and Russell Wilson.
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Disclaimer: I really wanted to edit my original post when I referred to Allen as an "exciting prospect", but it's been quoted too many times already.
I think he's an "interesting" or "intriguing" prospect.
nfl.com- Ben Roethlisberger- or Blake Bortles. Take your pick. Browns will seriously scout him, but I doubt they would draft a "project". His completion % pales in comparison to Baker Mayfield.
Man, that Deshone Kizer can make all the throws too with his "live" arm- most of the time 10' over Gordon's head, like that beaut of an interception today. (I'll take that back, Kizer can't throw an accurate fade to the end zone). An inaccurate canon is worthless if it can't consistently hit it's target. Anyday, I'll take the guy with slightly less arm that's 10X more accurate with his passes. And I don't want to hear Mayfield is undersized- he's taller than Drew Brees and Russell Wilson.
nfl.com- Ben Roethlisberger- or Blake Bortles. Take your pick. Browns will seriously scout him, but I doubt they would draft a "project". His completion % pales in comparison to Baker Mayfield.
Man, that Deshone Kizer can make all the throws too with his "live" arm- most of the time 10' over Gordon's head, like that beaut of an interception today. (I'll take that back, Kizer can't throw an accurate fade to the end zone). An inaccurate canon is worthless if it can't consistently hit it's target. Anyday, I'll take the guy with slightly less arm that's 10X more accurate with his passes. And I don't want to hear Mayfield is undersized- he's taller than Drew Brees and Russell Wilson.
At this point it could be said that any quaterback that has a slight flaw in his game is better than what we have (or have had during 21st century), so if he's going to miss something I prefer if he doesn't have a great arm but is accurate. Or pocket poise over athleticism. Brady is the slowest QB in the league but he knows when to take those one or two steps up in the pocket to avoid pass rush.
Allen looks like a great guy, and I like his back story, but the 2 years he has been the starter he has had a completion pct of 56, and it is more common that college QBs get from 65% to 60% in NFL than from 56% to 60%. Even Newton, who is not an accurate QB but relies on his athleticism and strong arm, had 60 and 66% in his two years as starter in college (Blinn and Auburn, respectively).
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so... a great qb in college, who was a late bloomer, who doesn't have a real good cast around him,
etc etc etc...in a PRO STYLE OFFENSE THAT WENTZ PLAYED IN.... should have the better stats of
a great qb who has a terrific cast of players around him, wr's who could go to the NFL easy....in a SPREAD OFFENSE?
nope.
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@boo-fagley said:
The difference between 50% to 60% is 10 completions per 100.
2017 Allen is @ 56% completions and 2017 Rosen @ 63% completions. A 7 completions difference per 100 and Allen is not in a pass friendly offense. Better talent around Allen might account for a 10% increase in itself.
In 3 seasons Rosen has attempted 1169 passes https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/josh-rosen-1.html
In 3 seasons Allen has attempted 630 passes. https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/josh-allen-7.html I would not call Wyoming a pro style offense at all.
NFL front offices are salivating at Allens untapped potential.
I think that Rosen having a larger set of samples just proves he is more accurate. And thanks for saying that a 10% difference is 10 passes out of 100, I could have never guessed that.
The thing is that a good NFL QB is around 60% consistently during the year, and those who rank lower either compesate it with their feet or are bad QBs.
Also, about Allen's not being a pass friendly offense, check this out:
http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/23/p3
Both teams are ranked next to each other in Rushing offense. I have calculated that Wyoming rushes 34,3 times per game, whereas UCLA 30,8. That's a 11% more by Wyoming, but Rosen doubles Allen's passing attempts.
That made me think that Wyoming must be a defense based team. And I was right. Wyoming's total defense is ranked 24th. UCLA's 122th. There are 129 teams ranked.
http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/22/p3
And now that we are at it, Wyoming's offense is ranked 125 and UCLA 18.
I don't watch NCAA, but those stats tell me that UCLA's offense is more time on the field and sustains longer drives (they play way more snaps looking at the stats), and their defense is really bad, whereas Wyoming is a defensive team.
So, looking at that, I'd pick the guy whose team is based more on the offense (plus is a pro style offense, IIRC) than the guy who has less pass attempts, less completion %, and whose team is based more on the defense.
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Not so fast. As much as I enjoy your sense of humor and your posts - you're wrong here so hear me out. You just joined this board a few months ago. Cal's been on this board since 1998 and I've never heard or seen this tale of tattling. Seems like a strange about face in character. Let's keep the Jerry Springer trash down to 1 guy in here. You're better than that Dutch!
One of the moderators mentioned him constantly sending them complaints about posts and posters...
He could have been on this board since 1898, but he's still a rat.
One of the moderators mentioned him constantly sending them complaints about posts and posters...
He could have been on this board since 1898, but he's still a rat.
For the record it was NOT me.
WSS
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So is Rosen playing tonight or not?
I think a bigger concern about Rosen than his personality is his ability to stay on the field.
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@boo-fagley said:
The difference between 50% to 60% is 10 completions per 100.
2017 Allen is @ 56% completions and 2017 Rosen @ 63% completions. A 7 completions difference per 100 and Allen is not in a pass friendly offense. Better talent around Allen might account for a 10% increase in itself.
In 3 seasons Rosen has attempted 1169 passes https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/josh-rosen-1.html
In 3 seasons Allen has attempted 630 passes. https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/josh-allen-7.html I would not call Wyoming a pro style offense at all.
NFL front offices are salivating at Allens untapped potential.
I think that Rosen having a larger set of samples just proves he is more accurate. And thanks for saying that a 10% difference is 10 passes out of 100, I could have never guessed that.
The thing is that a good NFL QB is around 60% consistently during the year, and those who rank lower either compesate it with their feet or are bad QBs.
Also, about Allen's not being a pass friendly offense, check this out:
http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/23/p3
Both teams are ranked next to each other in Rushing offense. I have calculated that Wyoming rushes 34,3 times per game, whereas UCLA 30,8. That's a 11% more by Wyoming, but Rosen doubles Allen's passing attempts.
That made me think that Wyoming must be a defense based team. And I was right. Wyoming's total defense is ranked 24th. UCLA's 122th. There are 129 teams ranked.
http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/22/p3
And now that we are at it, Wyoming's offense is ranked 125 and UCLA 18.
I don't watch NCAA, but those stats tell me that UCLA's offense is more time on the field and sustains longer drives (they play way more snaps looking at the stats), and their defense is really bad, whereas Wyoming is a defensive team.
So, looking at that, I'd pick the guy whose team is based more on the offense (plus is a pro style offense, IIRC) than the guy who has less pass attempts, less completion %, and whose team is based more on the defense.
So, looking at that, I'd pick the guy whose team is based more on the offense (plus is a pro style offense, IIRC) than the guy who has less pass attempts, less completion %, and whose team is based more on the defense.
This year, Allen threw for 16 TD's. Last year, he threw for 28. Allen lost some star players from last year. go figure, eh?
His offensive line plays really tough - but they aren't pro draft type players.-
From 2016:
Tanner Gentry WR 2017 Senior 0
Brian Hill RB 2017 Junior 0
Jacob Hollister TE 2017 Senior 0
Jake Maulhardt WR 2017 Senior 0
Chase Roullier C 2017 Senior 0
Lucas Wacha ILB 2017 Senior 0Allen lost his center, two wr's, his te, and a rb. So, how can anyone just ignore this, and go by his last year at Wyoming?
I don't know. Football is a lot more complicated that a few stats. Still led them to a bowl game this year.
We aren't experts, we don't get to sit down and interview these kids, we don't get to sit and ask them what they see on film, etc.
It's just fun, all this qb draft talk. I just want to get the right guy once and for all. and a veteran to step in would be good.
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I like Josh Allen. I know many others that don't care for him. Josh will be a starting NFL QB and will thrive. I pray he doesn't go to the Browns. The Browns will draft Baker Mayfield (Manziel 2.0) first in the draft which will set the Browns back another two frustrating year.
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I think this team may need Jesus to come play QBs.
And, by the way....see my Christmas thread. Note that the names Jesus and Joshua are literally just variants of the same name.
And "Jesus/Joshua" means, translated literally "Yahweh (God) is Salvation".
So? Are one of the Jesus/Joshuas going to be the Browns Salvation?
Or....do we have to turn to the Illuminati....who are supposedly connected to the "Masons". (Rudolph)?
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Would Jesus count as one roster spot or three?
I'd worry about Jesus' ability to escape the rush... The Romans didn't have much trouble getting hold of him.
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I admire qb's who don't have it all handed to them, and they still will fight the entire game, inspire the team around them, inspire the fans and the coaches... the whole college and town. and, they can really throw, and make plays work, even when they are broken plays. And smart - seeing the field. That last part is tough to gage when you project how big a step up it is when they get to the NFL.
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