Trubisky and Garrett today the truth comes out
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Gate sales are part of the NFL revshare program. So no, Jimmy hasn’t really lost anything at all.
The Browns franchise has increased in value since he bought it so the idea that you guys think you can have any effect whatsoever on his profits is hilarious.
I will say it again - Jimmy doesn’t care that the old fogey fans stop going to the game. We could sell zero tickets and he’d still make money. We could operate at 30% capacity for years and he’d still make money.
Hate to break it to you, but this idea that boycotting the team will cause some wide-eyed cathartic realization is dumb.
Gate sales are part of the NFL revshare program. So no, Jimmy hasn’t really lost anything at all.
The Browns franchise has increased in value since he bought it so the idea that you guys think you can have any effect whatsoever on his profits is hilarious.
I will say it again - Jimmy doesn’t care that the old fogey fans stop going to the game. We could sell zero tickets and he’d still make money. We could operate at 30% capacity for years and he’d still make money.
Hate to break it to you, but this idea that boycotting the team will cause some wide-eyed cathartic realization is dumb.
correct But the other owners do take notice of the Browns lack of revenue
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Gate sales are part of the NFL revshare program. So no, Jimmy hasn’t really lost anything at all.
The Browns franchise has increased in value since he bought it so the idea that you guys think you can have any effect whatsoever on his profits is hilarious.
I will say it again - Jimmy doesn’t care that the old fogey fans stop going to the game. We could sell zero tickets and he’d still make money. We could operate at 30% capacity for years and he’d still make money.
Hate to break it to you, but this idea that boycotting the team will cause some wide-eyed cathartic realization is dumb.
correct But the other owners do take notice of the Browns lack of revenue
correct But the other owners do take notice of the Browns lack of revenue
If it ever gets to a point of being bad, yes. We’re still in the middle of the league in total home attendance and ahead of Cincy in % of capacity, despite our record.
It would take multiple consecutive last place attendance finishes to draw enough ire to move the franchise a la San Diego. We’re not there yet...and if we aren’t there after 1 win in two years, we never will be.
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correct But the other owners do take notice of the Browns lack of revenue
If it ever gets to a point of being bad, yes. We’re still in the middle of the league in total home attendance and ahead of Cincy in % of capacity, despite our record.
It would take multiple consecutive last place attendance finishes to draw enough ire to move the franchise a la San Diego. We’re not there yet...and if we aren’t there after 1 win in two years, we never will be.
We’re not there yet...and if we aren’t there after 1 win in two years, we never will be.
That's the same sort of thing some of us old fogey fans said in '95 when rumors first surfaced the Browns would move......
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I think this nearly 20 year horrible run could have long-term effects down the road. You are talking about a generation basically that hasn't seen a playoff win.
The Indians godawful 1960-1993 run is still felt to today. Sure, when the Tribe is really good, people come, but to consistently draw 25,000+ fans per game every year you need a good sized core of diehard fans. When a team is so consistently bad, so much an afterthought for so long, the diehard numbers dwindle. When the Indians have a mediocre stretch (which is still light years better than a typical Browns season '99 on) the season ticket base dwindles down to about 7000.
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I didn't read most of this post. But as for the last couple lines. You're still here, so is "topdawg." Jimmy hasn't lost a thing.
Did you happen to notice all of those empty seats?
Did you happen to notice all of those empty seats?
Have you seen this team? The fact that people even go to games at all at this point (as I've argued with Hoorta) is a testament to the fact Jimmy isn't losing them.
Really?
1) I didn't know that Jimmy takes a cut from The Browns Board..... Glad you set us straight.
2) All those empty seats and plummeting season ticket renewals...... and yet "Jimmy hasn't lost a thing"
3) All those empty seats resulting in lost parking revenue and concession sales..... and yet "Jimmy hasn't lost a thing"
4) People like me who didn't see a SINGLE phucking Browns snap last week for the 1st time since 1980ish....... and not because I was away from my TV, but because I watched EVERY single Rams snap instead..... and yet "Jimmy hasn't lost a thing"
5) People like me who no longer give a s h i t about this team, and while some will come back if the Browns ever resemble a real NFL team again, most of us will never come back because life is too short to to waste any more time and energy with this embarrassing "pro" sports franchise...... and yet "Jimmy hasn't lost a thing"
Yep Jimmy, you're doing great....... keep it up..... we'll all still be here no matter what..... You haven't lost a thing.
Did you say something?
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Did you happen to notice all of those empty seats?
Have you seen this team? The fact that people even go to games at all at this point (as I've argued with Hoorta) is a testament to the fact Jimmy isn't losing them.
Really?
1) I didn't know that Jimmy takes a cut from The Browns Board..... Glad you set us straight.
2) All those empty seats and plummeting season ticket renewals...... and yet "Jimmy hasn't lost a thing"
3) All those empty seats resulting in lost parking revenue and concession sales..... and yet "Jimmy hasn't lost a thing"
4) People like me who didn't see a SINGLE phucking Browns snap last week for the 1st time since 1980ish....... and not because I was away from my TV, but because I watched EVERY single Rams snap instead..... and yet "Jimmy hasn't lost a thing"
5) People like me who no longer give a s h i t about this team, and while some will come back if the Browns ever resemble a real NFL team again, most of us will never come back because life is too short to to waste any more time and energy with this embarrassing "pro" sports franchise...... and yet "Jimmy hasn't lost a thing"
Yep Jimmy, you're doing great....... keep it up..... we'll all still be here no matter what..... You haven't lost a thing.
Did you say something?
Have you seen this team? The fact that people even go to games at all at this point (as I've argued with Hoorta) is a testament to the fact Jimmy isn't losing them.
You’re delusional if you think years of losing hasn’t had an impact on their bottom line.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
Gate sales are part of the NFL revshare program. So no, Jimmy hasn’t really lost anything at all.
The Browns franchise has increased in value since he bought it so the idea that you guys think you can have any effect whatsoever on his profits is hilarious.
I will say it again - Jimmy doesn’t care that the old fogey fans stop going to the game. We could sell zero tickets and he’d still make money. We could operate at 30% capacity for years and he’d still make money.
Hate to break it to you, but this idea that boycotting the team will cause some wide-eyed cathartic realization is dumb.
Gate sales are part of the NFL revshare program. So no, Jimmy hasn’t really lost anything at all.
The Browns franchise has increased in value since he bought it so the idea that you guys think you can have any effect whatsoever on his profits is hilarious.
I will say it again - Jimmy doesn’t care that the old fogey fans stop going to the game. We could sell zero tickets and he’d still make money. We could operate at 30% capacity for years and he’d still make money.
Hate to break it to you, but this idea that boycotting the team will cause some wide-eyed cathartic realization is dumb.
There may be something to it being about optics. The NFL does not want to see empty stadiums on TV. That is what is happening to the Browns.....and even if that situation is costing the NFL a farthing they care about it. (Who else cares so much about money than the NFL).
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Gate sales are part of the NFL revshare program. So no, Jimmy hasn’t really lost anything at all.
The Browns franchise has increased in value since he bought it so the idea that you guys think you can have any effect whatsoever on his profits is hilarious.
I will say it again - Jimmy doesn’t care that the old fogey fans stop going to the game. We could sell zero tickets and he’d still make money. We could operate at 30% capacity for years and he’d still make money.
Hate to break it to you, but this idea that boycotting the team will cause some wide-eyed cathartic realization is dumb.
There may be something to it being about optics. The NFL does not want to see empty stadiums on TV. That is what is happening to the Browns.....and even if that situation is costing the NFL a farthing they care about it. (Who else cares so much about money than the NFL).
There may be something to it being about optics. The NFL does not want to see empty stadiums on TV. That is what is happening to the Browns.....and even if that situation is costing the NFL a farthing they care about it. (Who else cares so much about money than the NFL).
and sadly the Chargers can't sell out a 25,000 seat stadium. How does the NFL fix that?
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There may be something to it being about optics. The NFL does not want to see empty stadiums on TV. That is what is happening to the Browns.....and even if that situation is costing the NFL a farthing they care about it. (Who else cares so much about money than the NFL).
and sadly the Chargers can't sell out a 25,000 seat stadium. How does the NFL fix that?
and sadly the Chargers can't sell out a 25,000 seat stadium. How does the NFL fix that?
And they have been a fairly successful team....at least .500 no?
But OH!....when they get the new stadium that the Rams and Chargers will share...that will fix everything in LA!
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and sadly the Chargers can't sell out a 25,000 seat stadium. How does the NFL fix that?
And they have been a fairly successful team....at least .500 no?
But OH!....when they get the new stadium that the Rams and Chargers will share...that will fix everything in LA!
And they have been a fairly successful team....at least .500 no?
But OH!....when they get the new stadium that the Rams and Chargers will share...that will fix everything in LA!
My guess would be San Diego fixes their Shmuckup, and woos them back to SD. LA will only support the Rams
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Have you seen this team? The fact that people even go to games at all at this point (as I've argued with Hoorta) is a testament to the fact Jimmy isn't losing them.
You’re delusional if you think years of losing hasn’t had an impact on their bottom line.
You’re delusional if you think years of losing hasn’t had an impact on their bottom line.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/195255/revenue-of-the-cleveland-browns-since-2006/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/194456/franchise-value-of-the-cleveland-browns-since-2006/
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
Did you happen to notice all of those empty seats?
Is the stadium half full or half empty.....................inquiring minds want to know.
Is the stadium half full or half empty.....................inquiring minds want to know.
It's like the old philosophical argument, "if a tree fell in the forest and no one heard it. Is there really a sound?"
"If the Browns played a game and no one saw it, was it really a loss?"
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You’re delusional if you think years of losing hasn’t had an impact on their bottom line.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/195255/revenue-of-the-cleveland-browns-since-2006/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/194456/franchise-value-of-the-cleveland-browns-since-2006/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/195255/revenue-of-the-cleveland-browns-since-2006/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/194456/franchise-value-of-the-cleveland-browns-since-2006/
TC, two thoughts. Regarding the increase in franchise value, that's not anything Jimmy has done. It's "the rising tide raises all the boats."
Second, I'm paying more for beer ($10 ripoff) and my tickets than I was 5 years ago.
The stadium looks empty because a lot of the season ticket holders aren't even bothering showing up for the games anymore. The 100 level is still 100% sold out. As I've tried to explain to War, those seats are being held on to in faint hopes of better days ahead.
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You’re delusional if you think years of losing hasn’t had an impact on their bottom line.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/195255/revenue-of-the-cleveland-browns-since-2006/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/194456/franchise-value-of-the-cleveland-browns-since-2006/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/195255/revenue-of-the-cleveland-browns-since-2006/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/194456/franchise-value-of-the-cleveland-browns-since-2006/
The Browns attendance is down roughly 60k annually. Without those asses in the seats, Jimmah can’t sell them $8 beers or $14 cheeseburgers. Not to mention the souvenirs and other trinkets. I share club seats with a couple of friends when I go to a game. There are large sections of the upper concourse that are now vacant and sit dark. You can’t tell me Jimmah is making as much profit as he used to with less fans.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
https://www.statista.com/statistics/195255/revenue-of-the-cleveland-browns-since-2006/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/194456/franchise-value-of-the-cleveland-browns-since-2006/
TC, two thoughts. Regarding the increase in franchise value, that's not anything Jimmy has done. It's "the rising tide raises all the boats."
Second, I'm paying more for beer ($10 ripoff) and my tickets than I was 5 years ago.
The stadium looks empty because a lot of the season ticket holders aren't even bothering showing up for the games anymore. The 100 level is still 100% sold out. As I've tried to explain to War, those seats are being held on to in faint hopes of better days ahead.
TC, two thoughts. Regarding the increase in franchise value, that's not anything Jimmy has done. It's "the rising tide raises all the boats."
Second, I'm paying more for beer ($10 ripoff) and my tickets than I was 5 years ago.
The stadium looks empty because a lot of the season ticket holders aren't even bothering showing up for the games anymore. The 100 level is still 100% sold out. As I've tried to explain to War, those seats are being held on to in faint hopes of better days ahead.
He’s also talking about the value of an NFL franchise. Even though it’s an unrealized gain (or loss) until he actually sells the team.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
https://www.statista.com/statistics/195255/revenue-of-the-cleveland-browns-since-2006/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/194456/franchise-value-of-the-cleveland-browns-since-2006/
The Browns attendance is down roughly 60k annually. Without those asses in the seats, Jimmah can’t sell them $8 beers or $14 cheeseburgers. Not to mention the souvenirs and other trinkets. I share club seats with a couple of friends when I go to a game. There are large sections of the upper concourse that are now vacant and sit dark. You can’t tell me Jimmah is making as much profit as he used to with less fans.
The Browns attendance is down roughly 60k annually. Without those asses in the seats, Jimmah can’t sell them $8 beers or $14 cheeseburgers. Not to mention the souvenirs and other trinkets. I share club seats with a couple of friends when I go to a game. There are large sections of the upper concourse that are now vacant and sit dark. You can’t tell me Jimmah is making as much profit as he used to with less fans.
beers are $9.75, been a long time since you've been there.
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The Browns attendance is down roughly 60k annually. Without those asses in the seats, Jimmah can’t sell them $8 beers or $14 cheeseburgers. Not to mention the souvenirs and other trinkets. I share club seats with a couple of friends when I go to a game. There are large sections of the upper concourse that are now vacant and sit dark. You can’t tell me Jimmah is making as much profit as he used to with less fans.
beers are $9.75, been a long time since you've been there.
beers are $9.75, been a long time since you've been there.
I attend at least one game a year.
Its been a long time since I’ve bought a beer or cheeseburger, would be a more accurate statement.
I tend to do my eating and drinking before and after the game somewhere else.
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beers are $9.75, been a long time since you've been there.
I attend at least one game a year.
Its been a long time since I’ve bought a beer or cheeseburger, would be a more accurate statement.
I tend to do my eating and drinking before and after the game somewhere else.
I attend at least one game a year.
Its been a long time since I’ve bought a beer or cheeseburger, would be a more accurate statement.
I tend to do my eating and drinking before and after the game somewhere else.
Its why we tailgate, by the time I get inside I'm too damn full to buy anything else.
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I attend at least one game a year.
Its been a long time since I’ve bought a beer or cheeseburger, would be a more accurate statement.
I tend to do my eating and drinking before and after the game somewhere else.
Its why we tailgate, by the time I get inside I'm too damn full to buy anything else.
Its why we tailgate, by the time I get inside I'm too damn full to buy anything else.
The last time I parked downtown for a game it was $20, and I had to fight traffic and I also had to walk a mile.
For last several years, I drive to the Brook Park rapid station and pay $5 for a round trip ticket...and I get dropped off at the stadium.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
https://www.statista.com/statistics/195255/revenue-of-the-cleveland-browns-since-2006/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/194456/franchise-value-of-the-cleveland-browns-since-2006/
The Browns attendance is down roughly 60k annually. Without those asses in the seats, Jimmah can’t sell them $8 beers or $14 cheeseburgers. Not to mention the souvenirs and other trinkets. I share club seats with a couple of friends when I go to a game. There are large sections of the upper concourse that are now vacant and sit dark. You can’t tell me Jimmah is making as much profit as he used to with less fans.
The Browns attendance is down roughly 60k annually. Without those asses in the seats, Jimmah can’t sell them $8 beers or $14 cheeseburgers. Not to mention the souvenirs and other trinkets. I share club seats with a couple of friends when I go to a game. There are large sections of the upper concourse that are now vacant and sit dark. You can’t tell me Jimmah is making as much profit as he used to with less fans.
The thought just occurred to me, and I'm too lazy to look up all the particulars- some of the increase in the bottom line is from the increased revenue from TV contracts, the real cash cow of the NFL. According to the financials released by the Packers (they're a public corporation), Each team gets a $187 million slice of the pie every year. My quick math tells me if Haslam totally sold out the stadium for every game at an average of $70 a ticket, that's around $49 million. (doesn't take into account Luxury Box revenue)
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