All bullsht aside now, does football belong in clev?
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I'd go if it was in S.A. because they have a new 80 and 85 mph legal straight shot on 130 Toll Road from Georgetown to I-10 just east of SA. Just start them in the Alamodome and go from there when ready. And BTW no sane person drives to Jerryworld from anywhere S of Austin to see the boys. More likely to Steal fans from the Texans.
I'd go if it was in S.A. because they have a new 80 and 85 mph legal straight shot on 130 Toll Road from Georgetown to I-10 just east of SA. Just start them in the Alamodome and go from there when ready. And BTW no sane person drives to Jerryworld from anywhere S of Austin to see the boys. More likely to Steal fans from the Texans.
Alamodome is a great place for a football game, honestly.
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I'd go if it was in S.A. because they have a new 80 and 85 mph legal straight shot on 130 Toll Road from Georgetown to I-10 just east of SA. Just start them in the Alamodome and go from there when ready. And BTW no sane person drives to Jerryworld from anywhere S of Austin to see the boys. More likely to Steal fans from the Texans.
Alamodome is a great place for a football game, honestly.
Alamodome is a great place for a football game, honestly.
I'm sure it is....but I doubt any NFL teams are going to move there because of how old it is. Any team relocating is going to want a shiny new stadium with lots of luxury boxes and restaurants and all that bull shit so they can rake in more money. Jerry World set the bar and now each team is going to want one of them if they move to a new city.
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All of u are missing the point, these players hate playing in and for cleveland. They dont want to come here. Those that do play such half asses football im not even sure they play the same game. Srsly i know we've all switched over to the late games after watching the browns turd it up, and those games just look different. Watching two competent teams play against each other u can see how sht moves differently in those games. Its like the browns play ncaafb 1.5
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This ought to be updated...T
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They absolutley should get this sh*tshow out of Cleveland...They have got to be costing the NFL tons of money...Other NFL owners probably cringe when they see them on the schedule...yes, it's an automatic win for any other team, but they are losing so much in parking, consession, and ticket sales...due to the Browns...The NFL needs a commitee of NFL minds to get something going for this organization of NFL sewage...It's downright criminal, what they are doing to the NFL and the people of Cleveland who have to pay to wathc such a sorry excuse for an NFL team.....Jump across the Lake and play in Toronto...they would love to have an NFL team and I think it would be good for the NFL ..
there ya go...
problem solved..!
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All of u are missing the point, these players hate playing in and for cleveland. They dont want to come here. Those that do play such half asses football im not even sure they play the same game. Srsly i know we've all switched over to the late games after watching the browns turd it up, and those games just look different. Watching two competent teams play against each other u can see how sht moves differently in those games. Its like the browns play ncaafb 1.5
All of u are missing the point, these players hate playing in and for cleveland. They dont want to come here. Those that do play such half asses football im not even sure they play the same game. Srsly i know we've all switched over to the late games after watching the browns turd it up, and those games just look different. Watching two competent teams play against each other u can see how sht moves differently in those games. Its like the browns play ncaafb 1.5
Come on now, I'd say you're correct in a few cases, like Bowe, Britt recently, probably Johnny as well. The big name FAs, yes, they're avoiding Cleveland until things improve.
It looks to my simple brain that Duke, Ogbah, Garrett, Higgins, #73, Kirksey, Peppers, DeValve, Njoku want to play hard, and want to play here. I'd throw Kizer in there too. These young guys just aren't winning, but I'd say they are just as passionate as a Dolphin, Steeler, Patriot, whatever team. I've been critical of Corey Coleman but at least he looked like he cared Sunday after his stone hands let him down.
Losing is making all of us fans bitter. Let's not turn on each other. Cleveland is a great football city.
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All of u are missing the point, these players hate playing in and for cleveland. They dont want to come here. Those that do play such half asses football im not even sure they play the same game. Srsly i know we've all switched over to the late games after watching the browns turd it up, and those games just look different. Watching two competent teams play against each other u can see how sht moves differently in those games. Its like the browns play ncaafb 1.5
Come on now, I'd say you're correct in a few cases, like Bowe, Britt recently, probably Johnny as well. The big name FAs, yes, they're avoiding Cleveland until things improve.
It looks to my simple brain that Duke, Ogbah, Garrett, Higgins, #73, Kirksey, Peppers, DeValve, Njoku want to play hard, and want to play here. I'd throw Kizer in there too. These young guys just aren't winning, but I'd say they are just as passionate as a Dolphin, Steeler, Patriot, whatever team. I've been critical of Corey Coleman but at least he looked like he cared Sunday after his stone hands let him down.
Losing is making all of us fans bitter. Let's not turn on each other. Cleveland is a great football city.
Come on now, I'd say you're correct in a few cases, like Bowe, Britt recently, probably Johnny as well. The big name FAs, yes, they're avoiding Cleveland until things improve.
It looks to my simple brain that Duke, Ogbah, Garrett, Higgins, #73, Kirksey, Peppers, DeValve, Njoku want to play hard, and want to play here. I'd throw Kizer in there too. These young guys just aren't winning, but I'd say they are just as passionate as a Dolphin, Steeler, Patriot, whatever team. I've been critical of Corey Coleman but at least he looked like he cared Sunday after his stone hands let him down.
Losing is making all of us fans bitter. Let's not turn on each other. Cleveland is a great football city.
Bob,
Very well said.Thank you.
Mike
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The cleveland browns should stop pretending to be the Cleveland Browns. The Cleveland Browns are dead. They are the Baltimore Ravens. The cleveland browns should suspend football operations, change the name and colors and resume as an entirely new team.
Gallagher II sucked, Sammy Hagar sucked and the cleveland browns suck.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
All of u are missing the point, these players hate playing in and for cleveland. They dont want to come here. Those that do play such half asses football im not even sure they play the same game. Srsly i know we've all switched over to the late games after watching the browns turd it up, and those games just look different. Watching two competent teams play against each other u can see how sht moves differently in those games. Its like the browns play ncaafb 1.5
All of u are missing the point, these players hate playing in and for cleveland. They dont want to come here. Those that do play such half asses football im not even sure they play the same game. Srsly i know we've all switched over to the late games after watching the browns turd it up, and those games just look different. Watching two competent teams play against each other u can see how sht moves differently in those games. Its like the browns play ncaafb 1.5
Don't be a fuhucking idiot. It is not "Cleveland" that they may not want to play for....it is this HC, this owner. (and we have no clue about the new GM)
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They absolutley should get this sh*tshow out of Cleveland...They have got to be costing the NFL tons of money...Other NFL owners probably cringe when they see them on the schedule...yes, it's an automatic win for any other team, but they are losing so much in parking, consession, and ticket sales...due to the Browns...The NFL needs a commitee of NFL minds to get something going for this organization of NFL sewage...It's downright criminal, what they are doing to the NFL and the people of Cleveland who have to pay to wathc such a sorry excuse for an NFL team.....Jump across the Lake and play in Toronto...they would love to have an NFL team and I think it would be good for the NFL ..
there ya go...
problem solved..!
They absolutley should get this sh*tshow out of Cleveland...They have got to be costing the NFL tons of money...Other NFL owners probably cringe when they see them on the schedule...yes, it's an automatic win for any other team, but they are losing so much in parking, consession, and ticket sales...due to the Browns...The NFL needs a commitee of NFL minds to get something going for this organization of NFL sewage...It's downright criminal, what they are doing to the NFL and the people of Cleveland who have to pay to wathc such a sorry excuse for an NFL team.....Jump across the Lake and play in Toronto...they would love to have an NFL team and I think it would be good for the NFL ..
there ya go...
problem solved..!
Fuhuck you and your one fuhucking post.
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The cleveland browns should stop pretending to be the Cleveland Browns. The Cleveland Browns are dead. They are the Baltimore Ravens. The cleveland browns should suspend football operations, change the name and colors and resume as an entirely new team.
Gallagher II sucked, Sammy Hagar sucked and the cleveland browns suck.
The cleveland browns should stop pretending to be the Cleveland Browns. The Cleveland Browns are dead. They are the Baltimore Ravens. The cleveland browns should suspend football operations, change the name and colors and resume as an entirely new team.
Gallagher II sucked, Sammy Hagar sucked and the cleveland browns suck.
Then go the fuyuck off and be a fuyucking Ravens fans you squishy pussy.
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Typical cowpoop response. I get it you're willing to be a bitch and let the memory of the browns become a joke. I'm personally pretty disgusted with what the browns have become.
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Typical cowpoop response. I get it you're willing to be a bitch and let the memory of the browns become a joke. I'm personally pretty disgusted with what the browns have become.
Typical cowpoop response. I get it you're willing to be a bitch and let the memory of the browns become a joke. I'm personally pretty disgusted with what the browns have become.
Yes, so am I.....but I am not stupidly willing to play idiotic games with their legacy. e.g. for 40 years the Steelers were the completed dregs of the league as a football team. That was also fairly much the case with the Pats for a 30 year period. Are they both jokes? The Saints were garbage for 30-40 years. A number of the so called premier teams of this league had long stints of suckitude. So, just because we are in a bad turn...does not mean this will last forever. So...don't be stupid by talking about things like moving the team or renaming it. Other teams have actually done both...so fuhuck that.
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They absolutley should get this sh*tshow out of Cleveland...They have got to be costing the NFL tons of money...Other NFL owners probably cringe when they see them on the schedule...yes, it's an automatic win for any other team, but they are losing so much in parking, consession, and ticket sales...due to the Browns...The NFL needs a commitee of NFL minds to get something going for this organization of NFL sewage...It's downright criminal, what they are doing to the NFL and the people of Cleveland who have to pay to wathc such a sorry excuse for an NFL team.....Jump across the Lake and play in Toronto...they would love to have an NFL team and I think it would be good for the NFL ..
there ya go...
problem solved..!
Fuhuck you and your one fuhucking post.
Fuhuck you and your one fuhucking post.
ahh, spoken like a true Cleeliner!!!
Well, I'd post more if this joke of an NFL team did anything worth posting about over the last few years...1 post is all ya need when the team goes 1-31 for a 2 year season...there ain't much to post about...but now that I see it pisses you off...you can expect to see many more post from me...
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Fuhuck you and your one fuhucking post.
ahh, spoken like a true Cleeliner!!!
Well, I'd post more if this joke of an NFL team did anything worth posting about over the last few years...1 post is all ya need when the team goes 1-31 for a 2 year season...there ain't much to post about...but now that I see it pisses you off...you can expect to see many more post from me...
ahh, spoken like a true Cleeliner!!!
Well, I'd post more if this joke of an NFL team did anything worth posting about over the last few years...1 post is all ya need when the team goes 1-31 for a 2 year season...there ain't much to post about...but now that I see it pisses you off...you can expect to see many more post from me...
Here is hoping that your one post will be the nadir of your participation on here.....but somehow I suspect it will not be.
Besides....you know little about human nature, apparently. Ask the mods here.....this board gets far more run when the Browns are shite likely than if they are good. If you were really looking for pollyannas to blow rainbow fairy dust up your arse, arseling...I suggest you have come to the wrong place.
(and what is a Cleeliner?)
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The cleveland browns should stop pretending to be the Cleveland Browns. The Cleveland Browns are dead. They are the Baltimore Ravens. The cleveland browns should suspend football operations, change the name and colors and resume as an entirely new team.
Gallagher II sucked, Sammy Hagar sucked and the cleveland browns suck.
The cleveland browns should stop pretending to be the Cleveland Browns. The Cleveland Browns are dead. They are the Baltimore Ravens. The cleveland browns should suspend football operations, change the name and colors and resume as an entirely new team.
Gallagher II sucked, Sammy Hagar sucked and the cleveland browns suck.
I have said this since 1995
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Alamodome is a great place for a football game, honestly.
I'm sure it is....but I doubt any NFL teams are going to move there because of how old it is. Any team relocating is going to want a shiny new stadium with lots of luxury boxes and restaurants and all that bull shit so they can rake in more money. Jerry World set the bar and now each team is going to want one of them if they move to a new city.
I'm sure it is....but I doubt any NFL teams are going to move there because of how old it is. Any team relocating is going to want a shiny new stadium with lots of luxury boxes and restaurants and all that bull Sheet so they can rake in more money. Jerry World set the bar and now each team is going to want one of them if they move to a new city.
Jerry is never going to let an NFL team relocate to San Antonio as long as he's alive.
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They absolutley should get this sh*tshow out of Cleveland...They have got to be costing the NFL tons of money...Other NFL owners probably cringe when they see them on the schedule...yes, it's an automatic win for any other team, but they are losing so much in parking, consession, and ticket sales...due to the Browns...The NFL needs a commitee of NFL minds to get something going for this organization of NFL sewage...It's downright criminal, what they are doing to the NFL and the people of Cleveland who have to pay to wathc such a sorry excuse for an NFL team.....Jump across the Lake and play in Toronto...they would love to have an NFL team and I think it would be good for the NFL ..
there ya go...
problem solved..!
They absolutley should get this sh*tshow out of Cleveland...They have got to be costing the NFL tons of money...Other NFL owners probably cringe when they see them on the schedule...yes, it's an automatic win for any other team, but they are losing so much in parking, consession, and ticket sales...due to the Browns...The NFL needs a commitee of NFL minds to get something going for this organization of NFL sewage...It's downright criminal, what they are doing to the NFL and the people of Cleveland who have to pay to wathc such a sorry excuse for an NFL team.....Jump across the Lake and play in Toronto...they would love to have an NFL team and I think it would be good for the NFL ..
there ya go...
problem solved..!
Why don't you just jump in the Lake? Winning cures everything. You think the Buccaneers fans cared about that o-fer season when they won the SB? The rest of the league forgot about it too. It's only come up because the Browns happen to be doing a lot of losing over the last two years.
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Considering ticket sales and revenue, I looked at both this charts.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2017/attendance.htm
On this chart, Browns total attendance is second last in the league, BUT, if you set it to order the teams by Home attendance, there are 8 teams with worse home attendance, and you can see the Browns played against 4 of them and that's probably a reason why total attendance is the lowest (Chargers play in a small soccer stadium).
Problem with this chart is that I believe it shows SOLD tickets instead of attendance, because in games like vs JAX it was cold and I didn't see more than 40,000 people in the stands by any means.
https://www.vividseats.com/blog/2017-nfl-pricing-preview
This shows the pricing preview before the 2017 season began.
Looking at both charts, you can see that the ticket revenue is bigger than Bengals' and could be close to Jacksonville's.
Having a team that has won less and less games this three years and a total of 4 in 48 games, and still doesn't hit the bottom in attendance or in revenue, it's something to be proud of, and that the NFL can't ignore.
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Cleveland is a football town first and foremost. Clevelanders have supported the team through thick, thin and court. Let the city own the team and send the Bratenahl Hillbillies back to Tennessee.....
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