All bullsht aside now, does football belong in clev?
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The cleveland browns should stop pretending to be the Cleveland Browns. The Cleveland Browns are dead. They are the Baltimore Ravens. The cleveland browns should suspend football operations, change the name and colors and resume as an entirely new team.
Gallagher II sucked, Sammy Hagar sucked and the cleveland browns suck.
The cleveland browns should stop pretending to be the Cleveland Browns. The Cleveland Browns are dead. They are the Baltimore Ravens. The cleveland browns should suspend football operations, change the name and colors and resume as an entirely new team.
Gallagher II sucked, Sammy Hagar sucked and the cleveland browns suck.
Then go the fuyuck off and be a fuyucking Ravens fans you squishy pussy.
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Typical cowpoop response. I get it you're willing to be a bitch and let the memory of the browns become a joke. I'm personally pretty disgusted with what the browns have become.
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Typical cowpoop response. I get it you're willing to be a bitch and let the memory of the browns become a joke. I'm personally pretty disgusted with what the browns have become.
Typical cowpoop response. I get it you're willing to be a bitch and let the memory of the browns become a joke. I'm personally pretty disgusted with what the browns have become.
Yes, so am I.....but I am not stupidly willing to play idiotic games with their legacy. e.g. for 40 years the Steelers were the completed dregs of the league as a football team. That was also fairly much the case with the Pats for a 30 year period. Are they both jokes? The Saints were garbage for 30-40 years. A number of the so called premier teams of this league had long stints of suckitude. So, just because we are in a bad turn...does not mean this will last forever. So...don't be stupid by talking about things like moving the team or renaming it. Other teams have actually done both...so fuhuck that.
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They absolutley should get this sh*tshow out of Cleveland...They have got to be costing the NFL tons of money...Other NFL owners probably cringe when they see them on the schedule...yes, it's an automatic win for any other team, but they are losing so much in parking, consession, and ticket sales...due to the Browns...The NFL needs a commitee of NFL minds to get something going for this organization of NFL sewage...It's downright criminal, what they are doing to the NFL and the people of Cleveland who have to pay to wathc such a sorry excuse for an NFL team.....Jump across the Lake and play in Toronto...they would love to have an NFL team and I think it would be good for the NFL ..
there ya go...
problem solved..!
Fuhuck you and your one fuhucking post.
Fuhuck you and your one fuhucking post.
ahh, spoken like a true Cleeliner!!!
Well, I'd post more if this joke of an NFL team did anything worth posting about over the last few years...1 post is all ya need when the team goes 1-31 for a 2 year season...there ain't much to post about...but now that I see it pisses you off...you can expect to see many more post from me...
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Fuhuck you and your one fuhucking post.
ahh, spoken like a true Cleeliner!!!
Well, I'd post more if this joke of an NFL team did anything worth posting about over the last few years...1 post is all ya need when the team goes 1-31 for a 2 year season...there ain't much to post about...but now that I see it pisses you off...you can expect to see many more post from me...
ahh, spoken like a true Cleeliner!!!
Well, I'd post more if this joke of an NFL team did anything worth posting about over the last few years...1 post is all ya need when the team goes 1-31 for a 2 year season...there ain't much to post about...but now that I see it pisses you off...you can expect to see many more post from me...
Here is hoping that your one post will be the nadir of your participation on here.....but somehow I suspect it will not be.
Besides....you know little about human nature, apparently. Ask the mods here.....this board gets far more run when the Browns are shite likely than if they are good. If you were really looking for pollyannas to blow rainbow fairy dust up your arse, arseling...I suggest you have come to the wrong place.
(and what is a Cleeliner?)
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The cleveland browns should stop pretending to be the Cleveland Browns. The Cleveland Browns are dead. They are the Baltimore Ravens. The cleveland browns should suspend football operations, change the name and colors and resume as an entirely new team.
Gallagher II sucked, Sammy Hagar sucked and the cleveland browns suck.
The cleveland browns should stop pretending to be the Cleveland Browns. The Cleveland Browns are dead. They are the Baltimore Ravens. The cleveland browns should suspend football operations, change the name and colors and resume as an entirely new team.
Gallagher II sucked, Sammy Hagar sucked and the cleveland browns suck.
I have said this since 1995
The Cleveland Browns have the hardest hit players in the NFL -
Alamodome is a great place for a football game, honestly.
I'm sure it is....but I doubt any NFL teams are going to move there because of how old it is. Any team relocating is going to want a shiny new stadium with lots of luxury boxes and restaurants and all that bull shit so they can rake in more money. Jerry World set the bar and now each team is going to want one of them if they move to a new city.
I'm sure it is....but I doubt any NFL teams are going to move there because of how old it is. Any team relocating is going to want a shiny new stadium with lots of luxury boxes and restaurants and all that bull Sheet so they can rake in more money. Jerry World set the bar and now each team is going to want one of them if they move to a new city.
Jerry is never going to let an NFL team relocate to San Antonio as long as he's alive.
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They absolutley should get this sh*tshow out of Cleveland...They have got to be costing the NFL tons of money...Other NFL owners probably cringe when they see them on the schedule...yes, it's an automatic win for any other team, but they are losing so much in parking, consession, and ticket sales...due to the Browns...The NFL needs a commitee of NFL minds to get something going for this organization of NFL sewage...It's downright criminal, what they are doing to the NFL and the people of Cleveland who have to pay to wathc such a sorry excuse for an NFL team.....Jump across the Lake and play in Toronto...they would love to have an NFL team and I think it would be good for the NFL ..
there ya go...
problem solved..!
They absolutley should get this sh*tshow out of Cleveland...They have got to be costing the NFL tons of money...Other NFL owners probably cringe when they see them on the schedule...yes, it's an automatic win for any other team, but they are losing so much in parking, consession, and ticket sales...due to the Browns...The NFL needs a commitee of NFL minds to get something going for this organization of NFL sewage...It's downright criminal, what they are doing to the NFL and the people of Cleveland who have to pay to wathc such a sorry excuse for an NFL team.....Jump across the Lake and play in Toronto...they would love to have an NFL team and I think it would be good for the NFL ..
there ya go...
problem solved..!
Why don't you just jump in the Lake? Winning cures everything. You think the Buccaneers fans cared about that o-fer season when they won the SB? The rest of the league forgot about it too. It's only come up because the Browns happen to be doing a lot of losing over the last two years.
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Considering ticket sales and revenue, I looked at both this charts.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2017/attendance.htm
On this chart, Browns total attendance is second last in the league, BUT, if you set it to order the teams by Home attendance, there are 8 teams with worse home attendance, and you can see the Browns played against 4 of them and that's probably a reason why total attendance is the lowest (Chargers play in a small soccer stadium).
Problem with this chart is that I believe it shows SOLD tickets instead of attendance, because in games like vs JAX it was cold and I didn't see more than 40,000 people in the stands by any means.
https://www.vividseats.com/blog/2017-nfl-pricing-preview
This shows the pricing preview before the 2017 season began.
Looking at both charts, you can see that the ticket revenue is bigger than Bengals' and could be close to Jacksonville's.
Having a team that has won less and less games this three years and a total of 4 in 48 games, and still doesn't hit the bottom in attendance or in revenue, it's something to be proud of, and that the NFL can't ignore.
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Cleveland is a football town first and foremost. Clevelanders have supported the team through thick, thin and court. Let the city own the team and send the Bratenahl Hillbillies back to Tennessee.....
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The cleveland browns should stop pretending to be the Cleveland Browns. The Cleveland Browns are dead. They are the Baltimore Ravens. The cleveland browns should suspend football operations, change the name and colors and resume as an entirely new team.
Gallagher II sucked, Sammy Hagar sucked and the cleveland browns suck.
I have said this since 1995
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I'm sure it is....but I doubt any NFL teams are going to move there because of how old it is. Any team relocating is going to want a shiny new stadium with lots of luxury boxes and restaurants and all that bull Sheet so they can rake in more money. Jerry World set the bar and now each team is going to want one of them if they move to a new city.
Jerry is never going to let an NFL team relocate to San Antonio as long as he's alive.
Jerry is never going to let an NFL team relocate to San Antonio as long as he's alive.
But...per my daughter who lives there, SA is becoming about as much a Texans town as a Cowboy town. Some success by the DATs could swing a whole portion of that area to the Houston column.
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But...per my daughter who lives there, SA is becoming about as much a Texans town as a Cowboy town. Some success by the DATs could swing a whole portion of that area to the Houston column.
I'll accept that as true. Would San Antonio be willing to build the billion dollar+ stadium that seems to be the going rate for getting a team?
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But...per my daughter who lives there, SA is becoming about as much a Texans town as a Cowboy town. Some success by the DATs could swing a whole portion of that area to the Houston column.
I'll accept that as true. Would San Antonio be willing to build the billion dollar+ stadium that seems to be the going rate for getting a team?
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Considering ticket sales and revenue, I looked at both this charts.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2017/attendance.htm
On this chart, Browns total attendance is second last in the league, BUT, if you set it to order the teams by Home attendance, there are 8 teams with worse home attendance, and you can see the Browns played against 4 of them and that's probably a reason why total attendance is the lowest (Chargers play in a small soccer stadium).
Problem with this chart is that I believe it shows SOLD tickets instead of attendance, because in games like vs JAX it was cold and I didn't see more than 40,000 people in the stands by any means.
https://www.vividseats.com/blog/2017-nfl-pricing-preview
This shows the pricing preview before the 2017 season began.
Looking at both charts, you can see that the ticket revenue is bigger than Bengals' and could be close to Jacksonville's.
Having a team that has won less and less games this three years and a total of 4 in 48 games, and still doesn't hit the bottom in attendance or in revenue, it's something to be proud of, and that the NFL can't ignore.
Considering ticket sales and revenue, I looked at both this charts.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2017/attendance.htm
On this chart, Browns total attendance is second last in the league, BUT, if you set it to order the teams by Home attendance, there are 8 teams with worse home attendance, and you can see the Browns played against 4 of them and that's probably a reason why total attendance is the lowest (Chargers play in a small soccer stadium).
Problem with this chart is that I believe it shows SOLD tickets instead of attendance, because in games like vs JAX it was cold and I didn't see more than 40,000 people in the stands by any means.
https://www.vividseats.com/blog/2017-nfl-pricing-preview
This shows the pricing preview before the 2017 season began.
Looking at both charts, you can see that the ticket revenue is bigger than Bengals' and could be close to Jacksonville's.
Having a team that has won less and less games this three years and a total of 4 in 48 games, and still doesn't hit the bottom in attendance or in revenue, it's something to be proud of, and that the NFL can't ignore.
Nice try. Second to last is second to last, no matter how you try to lie about it. Do the same analysis for the other teams and you will come up with the same BS. The reason Browns attendance is low is because the Franchise is dying. It needs to be renamed, sold and moved. Cleveland had no need and no reason to have an NFL team. Time to end the charade.
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I don't have a daughter, but I know a lot of women. They all say Cleveland sucks and the Browns suck worse. Albuquerque would be a great place for the team. The Albuquerque Cowpunchers.
The quicker the Browns are folded and moved, the better. You can be sure this is Haslam's purpose. He's going to shut this turd down.
The Cleveland Browns have the hardest hit players in the NFL -
I don't have a daughter, but I know a lot of women. They all say Cleveland sucks and the Browns suck worse. Albuquerque would be a great place for the team. The Albuquerque Cowpunchers.
The quicker the Browns are folded and moved, the better. You can be sure this is Haslam's purpose. He's going to shut this turd down.
I don't have a daughter, but I know a lot of women. They all say Cleveland sucks and the Browns suck worse. Albuquerque would be a great place for the team. The Albuquerque Cowpunchers.
The quicker the Browns are folded and moved, the better. You can be sure this is Haslam's purpose. He's going to shut this turd down.
Thank God. If you had a daughter you would probably want to have sex with her...just like your hero, DT.
So...if a team has an extended losing period, they should be move? In that case....The Steelers should have like moved to Atlanta or Houston or Birmingham back in the 50s or 60s. After all, they were going through an historic 40 year period of being pure shite....a period twice as long as the Browns have endured. And their owner was just as inept as JH has been. That team didn't do shinola until it was turned over to Dan.
How about we agree to this: If the Browns are as shitey as the Steelers were.....which means they have to be this shitey for the next 22 years, then we can think about moving them.
Fair enough.
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But...per my daughter who lives there, SA is becoming about as much a Texans town as a Cowboy town. Some success by the DATs could swing a whole portion of that area to the Houston column.
The Texans' owner, Bob McNair has been an even bigger opponent to SA getting a NFL franchise.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
But...per my daughter who lives there, SA is becoming about as much a Texans town as a Cowboy town. Some success by the DATs could swing a whole portion of that area to the Houston column.
The Texans' owner, Bob McNair has been an even bigger opponent to SA getting a NFL franchise.
The Texans' owner, Bob McNair has been an even bigger opponent to SA getting a NFL franchise.
Yes, while that map that someone posted showed that area to still be Cowboy country....I think that is becoming a very thin wedge there. I think part of it is that a lot of people do not like the despicable Jerry Jones....and particularly they don't like his presumptuousness over that area being "his". McNair probably sees his team making inroads there, and doesn't want that apple cart upset.
Besides....now that the Raiders/Rams/Chargers moves are done....what NFL team would be poised to move? None at this point. The ones that were borderline...the Jaguars, seems stabilized. Winning helps. The Bills...also going to the playoffs for the first time since 1999, I believe have the basics of a stadium deal done.
The only other one that has some apparent ownership instability is the Tennessee Titans. Things apparently still are not settled after Bud Adams died....though, apparently the daughter with the controlling interest has no intention of selling...where another daughter wants to sell badly:
https://nypost.com/2017/11/08/nfl-issues-making-it-hard-for-owner-to-sell-tennessee-titans/
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I don't have a daughter, but I know a lot of women. They all say Cleveland sucks and the Browns suck worse. Albuquerque would be a great place for the team. The Albuquerque Cowpunchers.
The quicker the Browns are folded and moved, the better. You can be sure this is Haslam's purpose. He's going to shut this turd down.
I don't have a daughter, but I know a lot of women. They all say Cleveland sucks and the Browns suck worse. Albuquerque would be a great place for the team. The Albuquerque Cowpunchers.
The quicker the Browns are folded and moved, the better. You can be sure this is Haslam's purpose. He's going to shut this turd down.
i'm coming at this question from a perspective that it doesn't seem like players want to ball here in Cleveland. Not that I just really want Cleveland to not have football....I'm just losing faith that this city will get competent players here. There's numerous reasons....ie constant scheme changes. It seems like you just don't want to see football played in Cleveland period whether it's the browns or anyone else. So I gotta ask why be here? I want football to be played in Cleveland I just don't think the current NFL climate will allow for decent football to be played here.
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