ODDS TO WIN THE AFC, NFC and SB LII
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I don't see how anyone can have that much confidence in the Vikings.
Defense wins is why. Ask Denver when Peyton was a shadow of his former self.
Defense wins is why. Ask Denver when Peyton was a shadow of his former self.
And, potentially the Jags should be given a decent chance because of their defense.
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I could care less as long as the Steelers don't win. I would actually root on NE just because they would get their 6th ring, which ties the Steelers. My wife is a Steelers fan, and just keeps rubbing their 6 rings in my face. So any one that wins 6 is fine with me.
I could care less as long as the Steelers don't win. I would actually root on NE just because they would get their 6th ring, which ties the Steelers. My wife is a Steelers fan, and just keeps rubbing their 6 rings in my face. So any one that wins 6 is fine with me.
6 is not the operative number. The operative number is 13. Those are the number of Championship the Green Bay Packers have won. 6 doesn't even match the number of titles the Browns have won.
Packers 13
Bears 9
Browns/Giants 8 each.
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I could care less as long as the Steelers don't win. I would actually root on NE just because they would get their 6th ring, which ties the Steelers. My wife is a Steelers fan, and just keeps rubbing their 6 rings in my face. So any one that wins 6 is fine with me.
6 is not the operative number. The operative number is 13. Those are the number of Championship the Green Bay Packers have won. 6 doesn't even match the number of titles the Browns have won.
Packers 13
Bears 9
Browns/Giants 8 each.
6 is not the operative number. The operative number is 13. Those are the number of Championship the Green Bay Packers have won. 6 doesn't even match the number of titles the Browns have won.
Packers 13
Bears 9
Browns/Giants 8 each.
The only thing being in the last 51 years with the expanded NFL it is much harder to win a championship and if you're under 58 or maybe 60 you've never experienced anything but the Super Bowl era. But we old farts older than 60 love to reminisce about the good old days and single bar helmets and all that stuff.
GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND! -
I could care less as long as the Steelers don't win. I would actually root on NE just because they would get their 6th ring, which ties the Steelers. My wife is a Steelers fan, and just keeps rubbing their 6 rings in my face. So any one that wins 6 is fine with me.
6 is not the operative number. The operative number is 13. Those are the number of Championship the Green Bay Packers have won. 6 doesn't even match the number of titles the Browns have won.
Packers 13
Bears 9
Browns/Giants 8 each.
6 is not the operative number. The operative number is 13. Those are the number of Championship the Green Bay Packers have won. 6 doesn't even match the number of titles the Browns have won.
Packers 13
Bears 9
Browns/Giants 8 each.
My wife's family would argue that any Championship before the SuperBowl era does not count. So, everything the Browns won before that era does not count, regardless of how much I try to argue. So to put it mildy, they even have me believing that our wins don't count. It's sick, but that's the way it is.
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I could care less as long as the Steelers don't win. I would actually root on NE just because they would get their 6th ring, which ties the Steelers. My wife is a Steelers fan, and just keeps rubbing their 6 rings in my face. So any one that wins 6 is fine with me.
Well DAL and SF aren't in it now, maybe DAL eventually so we're stuck rooting for NE or hopefully not the NFC in SB LII (gasp!). Oh geezzz, can the stlrz lose an AFC earlier round match? Something to hope for.
Well DAL and SF aren't in it now, maybe DAL eventually so we're stuck rooting for NE or hopefully not the NFC in SB LII (gasp!). Oh geezzz, can the stlrz lose an AFC earlier round match? Something to hope for.
I pray someone beats them. Of course, I don't let my wife know this. Just put on the sad face and pretend I'm upset. My least favorite teams are the Steelers and the Cowboys. So sick of the "America Team" with the Cowboys and they haven't done anything lately.
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I could care less as long as the Steelers don't win. I would actually root on NE just because they would get their 6th ring, which ties the Steelers. My wife is a Steelers fan, and just keeps rubbing their 6 rings in my face. So any one that wins 6 is fine with me.
6 is not the operative number. The operative number is 13. Those are the number of Championship the Green Bay Packers have won. 6 doesn't even match the number of titles the Browns have won.
Packers 13
Bears 9
Browns/Giants 8 each.
6 is not the operative number. The operative number is 13. Those are the number of Championship the Green Bay Packers have won. 6 doesn't even match the number of titles the Browns have won.
Packers 13
Bears 9
Browns/Giants 8 each.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Give it a rest already you fossil. lol
AAFC titles, equivalent to the modern day Arena Bowl championships are not recognized by the NFL.
The operative number is 6, and the only thing that matters in todays football world are Super Bowls.
I bet even Browns fans grow weary of your "feel better about yourself because we actually have more Championships than the Steelers" rhetoric.
But if it works for you then by all means keep going with it.
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I don't see how anyone can have that much confidence in the Vikings.
Defense wins is why. Ask Denver when Peyton was a shadow of his former self.
Defense wins is why. Ask Denver when Peyton was a shadow of his former self.
This Vikings D is nowhere near that good.
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6 is not the operative number. The operative number is 13. Those are the number of Championship the Green Bay Packers have won. 6 doesn't even match the number of titles the Browns have won.
Packers 13
Bears 9
Browns/Giants 8 each.
My wife's family would argue that any Championship before the SuperBowl era does not count. So, everything the Browns won before that era does not count, regardless of how much I try to argue. So to put it mildy, they even have me believing that our wins don't count. It's sick, but that's the way it is.
My wife's family would argue that any Championship before the SuperBowl era does not count. So, everything the Browns won before that era does not count, regardless of how much I try to argue. So to put it mildy, they even have me believing that our wins don't count. It's sick, but that's the way it is.
Your wife's family are fuyucking idiots.
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6 is not the operative number. The operative number is 13. Those are the number of Championship the Green Bay Packers have won. 6 doesn't even match the number of titles the Browns have won.
Packers 13
Bears 9
Browns/Giants 8 each.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Give it a rest already you fossil. lol
AAFC titles, equivalent to the modern day Arena Bowl championships are not recognized by the NFL.
The operative number is 6, and the only thing that matters in todays football world are Super Bowls.
I bet even Browns fans grow weary of your "feel better about yourself because we actually have more Championships than the Steelers" rhetoric.
But if it works for you then by all means keep going with it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Give it a rest already you fossil. lol
AAFC titles, equivalent to the modern day Arena Bowl championships are not recognized by the NFL.
The operative number is 6, and the only thing that matters in todays football world are Super Bowls.
I bet even Browns fans grow weary of your "feel better about yourself because we actually have more Championships than the Steelers" rhetoric.
But if it works for you then by all means keep going with it.
Speaking of fuyucking idiots. The operative number is 13....even though you are stupid of a fuyucking idiot to believe it.
Do they not count NBA titles before 1970? Do they not count World Series titles before 1970? Do they not count NHL titles before 1970? They count them all....and all those leagues have expanded as much as the NFL. The "Super Bowl" is merely an expansion of the playoffs due to the expansion of the teams in the league. Its just that the other teams didn't come up with some marketing gimmick for their versions of the expanded playoffs.
And the reason it works...is because it is the pure truth and fact of the matter.
The only titles that count are the last one and the next one...the rest are all just historical data.
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Defense wins is why. Ask Denver when Peyton was a shadow of his former self.
This Vikings D is nowhere near that good.
This Vikings D is nowhere near that good.
Is ranked 1st in points allowed and 1st in yards allowed. I'd say they have dominated almost every game this year. And I am not going to compare stats with Denver's 2015 defense, but their attack is way better than 2015 Broncos' one.
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Defense wins is why. Ask Denver when Peyton was a shadow of his former self.
This Vikings D is nowhere near that good.
This Vikings D is nowhere near that good.
https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/opponent-yards-per-game#
NFL TEAM DEFENSE RANKINGS, wow Cleveland at #14 better than some playoff teams
Season: 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017Date:Rank Team 2017 Last 3 Last 1 Home Away 2016 1 Minnesota 275.9 200.3 201.0 248.5 303.4 314.9 2 Jacksonville 284.8 288.0 263.0 281.1 288.0 321.7 3 Denver 290.0 331.0 379.0 262.8 317.2 316.1 4 Philadelphia 306.5 359.7 301.0 280.6 332.4 342.8 5 Pittsburgh 306.9 320.3 374.0 312.4 301.4 339.2 6 Arizona 310.9 269.0 296.0 287.2 334.6 305.2 7 Dallas 318.1 216.0 219.0 328.0 308.1 348.0 8 Chicago 319.1 291.3 327.0 322.9 315.4 346.8 9 Atlanta 320.9 308.0 361.0 301.1 338.4 376.9 10 Carolina 322.6 391.0 410.0 331.0 315.1 359.8 11 Seattle 323.2 297.7 259.0 319.1 327.2 319.6 12 Baltimore 325.1 307.0 359.0 329.4 320.8 322.1 13 Tennessee 327.8 318.7 325.0 344.1 313.3 357.5 14 Cleveland 328.1 327.3 348.0 303.1 347.6 392.4 15 LA Chargers 328.4 342.7 336.0 321.6 335.1 347.1 16 Miami 335.7 348.0 312.0 284.3 375.7 381.7 17 LA Rams 338.5 383.0 322.0 339.8 337.3 337.0 18 Cincinnati 339.1 311.3 312.0 327.9 350.2 350.8 19 New Orleans 341.0 399.7 413.0 353.6 326.9 375.4 20 Houston 346.6 348.0 250.0 322.6 370.6 300.1 21 Buffalo 347.8 332.3 230.0 360.9 336.1 357.0 22 Washington 347.9 332.3 381.0 289.8 406.0 377.9 23 Green Bay 348.9 326.3 356.0 323.2 374.5 374.2 24 Oakland 350.1 347.0 495.0 316.4 376.2 370.1 25 San Francisco 351.6 350.3 251.0 383.2 319.9 406.4 26 NY Jets 352.2 373.7 330.0 344.5 360.0 342.4 27 Detroit 355.8 323.0 256.0 364.5 347.0 356.6 28 New England 366.0 328.7 247.0 360.5 371.5 328.3 29 Kansas City 367.0 359.3 397.0 347.2 389.2 369.7 30 Indianapolis 367.1 331.3 209.0 364.8 369.4 382.9 31 NY Giants 373.2 275.7 197.0 361.5 384.9 343.6 32 Tampa Bay 378.1 329.3 323.0 348.4 407.8 367.9 -
IF YOU BELIEVE IN SUCH THINGS, THE SIMULATION RESULTS A LOT OF PLAYOFF TEAMS WAY DOWN THE LIST.
Rankings & Projections Summary
Highlights from our predictive power ratings and simulations of currently scheduled games.
Rank Rating Team Proj W Proj L Playoffs Win SB 1 8.8 New England (13-3)13.0 3.0 100.0% 34.3% 2 5.8 Philadelphia (13-3)13.0 3.0 100.0% 18.5% 3 5.6 Pittsburgh (13-3)13.0 3.0 100.0% 13.1% 4 5.6 Minnesota (13-3)13.0 3.0 100.0% 14.0% 5 4.4 New Orleans (12-5)11.0 5.0 100.0% 7.5% 6 3.7 Jacksonville (11-6)10.0 6.0 100.0% 5.8% 7 3.5 LA Rams (11-6)11.0 5.0 100.0% 0.0% 8 3.5 Atlanta (11-6)10.0 6.0 100.0% 5.2% 9 3.3 Kansas City (10-7)10.0 6.0 100.0% 0.0% 10 3.0 Baltimore (9-7)9.0 7.0 0.0% 0.0% 11 2.9 Seattle (9-7)9.0 7.0 0.0% 0.0% 12 2.4 Carolina (11-6)11.0 5.0 100.0% 0.0% 13 2.1 LA Chargers (9-7)9.0 7.0 0.0% 0.0% 14 2.1 Dallas (9-7)9.0 7.0 0.0% 0.0% 15 1.3 Detroit (9-7)9.0 7.0 0.0% 0.0% 16 -0.0 Green Bay (7-9)7.0 9.0 0.0% 0.0% 17 -0.9 Tennessee (10-7)9.0 7.0 100.0% 1.5% 18 -1.4 Tampa Bay (5-11)5.0 11.0 0.0% 0.0% 19 -1.6 Oakland (6-10)6.0 10.0 0.0% 0.0% 20 -1.8 Washington (7-9)7.0 9.0 0.0% 0.0% 21 -2.1 Arizona (8-8)8.0 8.0 0.0% 0.0% 22 -2.1 Cincinnati (7-9)7.0 9.0 0.0% 0.0% 23 -3.2 Chicago (5-11)5.0 11.0 0.0% 0.0% 24 -3.3 Denver (5-11)5.0 11.0 0.0% 0.0% 25 -3.3 Buffalo (9-8)9.0 7.0 100.0% 0.0% 26 -3.5 Houston (4-12)4.0 12.0 0.0% 0.0% 27 -4.3 San Francisco (6-10)6.0 10.0 0.0% 0.0% 28 -4.5 NY Giants (3-13)3.0 13.0 0.0% 0.0% 29 -4.7 Miami (6-10)6.0 10.0 0.0% 0.0% 30 -6.1 NY Jets (5-11)5.0 11.0 0.0% 0.0% 31 -6.4 Indianapolis (4-12)4.0 12.0 0.0% 0.0% 32 -8.8 Cleveland (0-16)0.0 16.0 0.0% 0.0% -
Our new power ratings have been in development since 2011. Designed exclusively for predictive purposes, these ratings improve upon the old ratings in several ways, most notably by incorporating a preseason rating for each team that improves early season accuracy.
Do you still use our old rankings for your personal system? See our old rankings.
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MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE BEEN WATCHING THIS EARLIER? 2017 ATS NUMBERS.....
NFL Team ATS Trends
Team ATS Record Cover % MOV ATS +/- Minnesota 11-5-0 68.8% 8.1 +4.8 New England 11-5-0 68.8% 10.1 +1.5 Buffalo 10-6-1 62.5% -3.8 -1.4 Philadelphia 10-6-0 62.5% 10.1 +6.0 NY Jets 9-6-1 60.0% -5.2 +1.1 Carolina 10-7-0 58.8% 1.8 +1.0 Kansas City 10-7-0 58.8% 4.4 +0.7 Cincinnati 9-7-0 56.2% -3.7 -2.8 San Francisco 9-7-0 56.2% -3.2 +1.1 Tennessee 9-7-1 56.2% -1.2 -2.4 Chicago 8-7-1 53.3% -3.5 +1.2 Dallas 8-7-1 53.3% 1.4 -0.8 Detroit 8-7-1 53.3% 2.1 +1.6 LA Chargers 8-7-1 53.3% 5.2 +3.8 Baltimore 8-7-1 53.3% 5.8 +3.5 Jacksonville 9-8-0 52.9% 9.2 +6.3 LA Rams 9-8-0 52.9% 8.0 +5.5 New Orleans 9-8-0 52.9% 7.5 +3.9 Indianapolis 8-8-0 50.0% -8.8 -3.3 Atlanta 8-9-0 47.1% 3.0 -0.6 NY Giants 7-9-0 43.8% -8.9 -4.3 Houston 7-9-0 43.8% -6.1 -2.6 Pittsburgh 7-9-0 43.8% 6.1 +0.3 Green Bay 7-9-0 43.8% -4.0 -2.3 Washington 7-9-0 43.8% -2.9 -1.9 Tampa Bay 6-9-1 40.0% -2.9 -0.8 Arizona 6-9-1 40.0% -4.1 -2.2 Seattle 6-9-1 40.0% 2.1 -0.7 Miami 5-9-2 35.7% -7.0 -2.4 Oakland 5-9-2 35.7% -4.5 -4.3 Denver 4-11-1 26.7% -5.8 -6.0 Cleveland 4-12-0 25.0% -11.0 -4.4 -
6 is not the operative number. The operative number is 13. Those are the number of Championship the Green Bay Packers have won. 6 doesn't even match the number of titles the Browns have won.
Packers 13
Bears 9
Browns/Giants 8 each.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Give it a rest already you fossil. lol
AAFC titles, equivalent to the modern day Arena Bowl championships are not recognized by the NFL.
The operative number is 6, and the only thing that matters in todays football world are Super Bowls.
I bet even Browns fans grow weary of your "feel better about yourself because we actually have more Championships than the Steelers" rhetoric.
But if it works for you then by all means keep going with it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Give it a rest already you fossil. lol
AAFC titles, equivalent to the modern day Arena Bowl championships are not recognized by the NFL.
The operative number is 6, and the only thing that matters in todays football world are Super Bowls.
I bet even Browns fans grow weary of your "feel better about yourself because we actually have more Championships than the Steelers" rhetoric.
But if it works for you then by all means keep going with it.
Everyone has their biases. Most people wouldn’t consider the 70s Steelers viable because they were the first brand managers for steroids in football. Just because they got away with belichecking their way to some early Super Bowl wins doesn’t mean mark McGuire belongs in the hall of fame.
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This Vikings D is nowhere near that good.
Is ranked 1st in points allowed and 1st in yards allowed. I'd say they have dominated almost every game this year. And I am not going to compare stats with Denver's 2015 defense, but their attack is way better than 2015 Broncos' one.
Is ranked 1st in points allowed and 1st in yards allowed. I'd say they have dominated almost every game this year. And I am not going to compare stats with Denver's 2015 defense, but their attack is way better than 2015 Broncos' one.
No one is talking about that defense as transcendent or anything. They were about 15 Denver. PFF wrote a ton of articles saying it was by far the best defense since they started the site. No one's saying that stuff about Minnesota.
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Is ranked 1st in points allowed and 1st in yards allowed. I'd say they have dominated almost every game this year. And I am not going to compare stats with Denver's 2015 defense, but their attack is way better than 2015 Broncos' one.
No one is talking about that defense as transcendent or anything. They were about 15 Denver. PFF wrote a ton of articles saying it was by far the best defense since they started the site. No one's saying that stuff about Minnesota.
No one is talking about that defense as transcendent or anything. They were about 15 Denver. PFF wrote a ton of articles saying it was by far the best defense since they started the site. No one's saying that stuff about Minnesota.
It's not about being trascendent, it's about being effective.
Truly what Denver achieved in 2015 is outstanding. Peyton had an awful year and they even had to win some games with Osweiler under center. That offense semt like a joke and they could pull out wins with their defense. I was amazed at Superbowl L, I never thought you could win ONLY with defense.
Minnesota's defense probably can't be compared to that defense, but I have seen them dominating games against good teams like Atlanta and Rams. Their only loss lately has been against Carolina, which has a great D.
It's the best defense among the ones that are left and it's the most balanced one (Philadelphia or Carolina rely on their front 7, for example). They have best defense and a good offense (11th in the league), I prefer that than teams with a very good O and a bad D (like Pats, but they seem to have fixed that).
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No one is talking about that defense as transcendent or anything. They were about 15 Denver. PFF wrote a ton of articles saying it was by far the best defense since they started the site. No one's saying that stuff about Minnesota.
It's not about being trascendent, it's about being effective.
Truly what Denver achieved in 2015 is outstanding. Peyton had an awful year and they even had to win some games with Osweiler under center. That offense semt like a joke and they could pull out wins with their defense. I was amazed at Superbowl L, I never thought you could win ONLY with defense.
Minnesota's defense probably can't be compared to that defense, but I have seen them dominating games against good teams like Atlanta and Rams. Their only loss lately has been against Carolina, which has a great D.
It's the best defense among the ones that are left and it's the most balanced one (Philadelphia or Carolina rely on their front 7, for example). They have best defense and a good offense (11th in the league), I prefer that than teams with a very good O and a bad D (like Pats, but they seem to have fixed that).
It's not about being trascendent, it's about being effective.
Truly what Denver achieved in 2015 is outstanding. Peyton had an awful year and they even had to win some games with Osweiler under center. That offense semt like a joke and they could pull out wins with their defense. I was amazed at Superbowl L, I never thought you could win ONLY with defense.
Minnesota's defense probably can't be compared to that defense, but I have seen them dominating games against good teams like Atlanta and Rams. Their only loss lately has been against Carolina, which has a great D.
It's the best defense among the ones that are left and it's the most balanced one (Philadelphia or Carolina rely on their front 7, for example). They have best defense and a good offense (11th in the league), I prefer that than teams with a very good O and a bad D (like Pats, but they seem to have fixed that).
I'm not saying it's not the best defense. Most certainly is. But Ag was talking specifically about that 2015 team as a comparison for this Minnesota team, and I simply don't think it is. I think it can and will be had.
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It's not about being trascendent, it's about being effective.
Truly what Denver achieved in 2015 is outstanding. Peyton had an awful year and they even had to win some games with Osweiler under center. That offense semt like a joke and they could pull out wins with their defense. I was amazed at Superbowl L, I never thought you could win ONLY with defense.
Minnesota's defense probably can't be compared to that defense, but I have seen them dominating games against good teams like Atlanta and Rams. Their only loss lately has been against Carolina, which has a great D.
It's the best defense among the ones that are left and it's the most balanced one (Philadelphia or Carolina rely on their front 7, for example). They have best defense and a good offense (11th in the league), I prefer that than teams with a very good O and a bad D (like Pats, but they seem to have fixed that).
I'm not saying it's not the best defense. Most certainly is. But Ag was talking specifically about that 2015 team as a comparison for this Minnesota team, and I simply don't think it is. I think it can and will be had.
I'm not saying it's not the best defense. Most certainly is. But Ag was talking specifically about that 2015 team as a comparison for this Minnesota team, and I simply don't think it is. I think it can and will be had.
Well, I think that Ag mentioned Denver because it's the most obvious example of 'defense wins championships' and also the last one. Last year Superbowl was more about offensive teams, I'd say.
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It's not about being trascendent, it's about being effective.
Truly what Denver achieved in 2015 is outstanding. Peyton had an awful year and they even had to win some games with Osweiler under center. That offense semt like a joke and they could pull out wins with their defense. I was amazed at Superbowl L, I never thought you could win ONLY with defense.
Minnesota's defense probably can't be compared to that defense, but I have seen them dominating games against good teams like Atlanta and Rams. Their only loss lately has been against Carolina, which has a great D.
It's the best defense among the ones that are left and it's the most balanced one (Philadelphia or Carolina rely on their front 7, for example). They have best defense and a good offense (11th in the league), I prefer that than teams with a very good O and a bad D (like Pats, but they seem to have fixed that).
I'm not saying it's not the best defense. Most certainly is. But Ag was talking specifically about that 2015 team as a comparison for this Minnesota team, and I simply don't think it is. I think it can and will be had.
I'm not saying it's not the best defense. Most certainly is. But Ag was talking specifically about that 2015 team as a comparison for this Minnesota team, and I simply don't think it is. I think it can and will be had.
I used Denver as an example of defenses winning playoffs. I did not say Minn. had an defense that good, but they are a very fine defense capable of taking a team there, especially given they have a better offense than the '15 Denver team which relied on Ossie to get them there over a lot of the season and Peyton to provide "adequate" service to win the SB. They gave the MVP to the right guy.
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