Why not Minkah at #1
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another thing we have never developed a qb we just throw em out there also their is not gonna be another Andrew luck he started for three and a half years at Stanford most qb's these days come out after two the exception being Watson and he played well while healthy
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I'm sorry Gip, but if the Browns get cute and skip QB with their 1st pick again I'm going to officially go oobatz.
Totally on the Fitzpatrick bandwagon though.
I'm sorry Gip, but if the Browns get cute and skip QB with their 1st pick again I'm going to officially go oobatz.
Totally on the Fitzpatrick bandwagon though.
Yea? Which QB? Like I am saying...it seems by all accounts that Minkah is head and shoulders above any one else that plays that position...and head and shoulders above any of the QBs.
We have the luxury of getting him...and getting maybe the best QB out of the bunch...and it is a bunch....
I know Tour is on Rosen's knob. I know Cal is on Allen's knob. I know some are on Mayfield's knob...and perhaps some are on Darnold's knob.
There is NO consensus #1 QB. Minkah IS fairly well the consensus #1 DB. Though he is not the consensus #1 pick. A lot put Chubb of NC State on there....but no one would predict we would take him due to us having taken Garrett last year at the same position. And no one projects Minkah at #1 because no DB has ever gone #1.
I guess I may be OK with this: We take whatever from the grab bag of QBs at #1.....as long as we know also that the Giants are going to also grab in that same QB bag...and that the Colts are not going to go for Minkah...so we can get him at #4. We have to see what their needs are.
In theory I guess we could do this:
Take a QB at #1. Trade our #4 to the Giants at #2 and take Minkah .....as long as the Giants are secure in believing that the Colts will not take a QB...or trade down to let someone else who is QB needy trade up to get the one they want.
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c'mon unless you are the Browns QB'S allways come off the board first so the Hell with the rankings if there is a QB they covet grab him at #1 it would be insane to wait till later
c'mon unless you are the Browns QB'S allways come off the board first so the Hell with the rankings if there is a QB they covet grab him at #1 it would be insane to wait till later
But...my point is that there are none worth "coveting" at #1. The guy to covet does not play QB...and they can get one at #4.
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I'm sorry Gip, but if the Browns get cute and skip QB with their 1st pick again I'm going to officially go oobatz.
Totally on the Fitzpatrick bandwagon though.
I'm sorry Gip, but if the Browns get cute and skip QB with their 1st pick again I'm going to officially go oobatz.
Totally on the Fitzpatrick bandwagon though.
Well....it would not be getting cute if they skipped the QB and went for the BPA...if the QBs on the board are, as I said, a mixed bag.
And answer me this: by your analysis then the Browns "got cute" last year by skipping the QB (twice). Two QBs last year that I think perhaps are better than the Jambalaya at QBs we have this year.
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WalterFootball's Big Board is similar: Only Rosen at #7 is listed as a Top 10 prospect:
What do you think Carson Wentz was rated as an overall prospect when he entered? Or Goff?
What do you think Carson Wentz was rated as an overall prospect when he entered? Or Goff?
Why do I have to think about that? Why not just tell me. Use whatever source you want.
Then explain why this is relevant here.
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another thing we have never developed a qb we just throw em out there also their is not gonna be another Andrew luck he started for three and a half years at Stanford most qb's these days come out after two the exception being Watson and he played well while healthy
another thing we have never developed a qb we just throw em out there also their is not gonna be another Andrew luck he started for three and a half years at Stanford most qb's these days come out after two the exception being Watson and he played well while healthy
If there were an Andrew Luck in this draft....then we wouldn't be having this debate. I think it also questionable if we have a Watson in this draft.
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I'm sorry Gip, but if the Browns get cute and skip QB with their 1st pick again I'm going to officially go oobatz.
Totally on the Fitzpatrick bandwagon though.
Well....it would not be getting cute if they skipped the QB and went for the BPA...if the QBs on the board are, as I said, a mixed bag.
And answer me this: by your analysis then the Browns "got cute" last year by skipping the QB (twice). Two QBs last year that I think perhaps are better than the Jambalaya at QBs we have this year.
Well....it would not be getting cute if they skipped the QB and went for the BPA...if the QBs on the board are, as I said, a mixed bag.
And answer me this: by your analysis then the Browns "got cute" last year by skipping the QB (twice). Two QBs last year that I think perhaps are better than the Jambalaya at QBs we have this year.
before last years draft your jambalaya reference could also been used and so ya I'm saying to draft Darnold to which we could develop into a starting QB,this team needs a freaking direction and drafting Darnold would do that drafting a db from bama doesn't move the needle
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so looking back would you still take garrett over Watson or trubisky
If you really want me to look back....I take Bosa the year before....and then I go for MT. But that is water over the dam.
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I want a vet QB then that lets us take Minkah at 1 and Barkley at 4, no QB in this years draft is a top 5 pick IMO
I want a vet QB then that lets us take Minkah at 1 and Barkley at 4, no QB in this years draft is a top 5 pick IMO
I could live with that. Do you see any real franchise QBs in 2018? What about 2019?
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Well....it would not be getting cute if they skipped the QB and went for the BPA...if the QBs on the board are, as I said, a mixed bag.
And answer me this: by your analysis then the Browns "got cute" last year by skipping the QB (twice). Two QBs last year that I think perhaps are better than the Jambalaya at QBs we have this year.
before last years draft your jambalaya reference could also been used and so ya I'm saying to draft Darnold to which we could develop into a starting QB,this team needs a freaking direction and drafting Darnold would do that drafting a db from bama doesn't move the needle
before last years draft your jambalaya reference could also been used and so ya I'm saying to draft Darnold to which we could develop into a starting QB,this team needs a freaking direction and drafting Darnold would do that drafting a db from bama doesn't move the needle
If you think that Darnold is the be all end all of the QBs available...that he is John Elway/Peyton Manning/Andrew Luck The Next Generation then you surely go for him. But I hear NO ONE saying anything remotely like that about him. Are you hearing that?
(In fact... he may be sitting there at #4....I hear about Rosen being more often highly ranked)
And I don't care about moving any needles. What needle are you wanting moved? TV ratings? i want wins.
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What do you think Carson Wentz was rated as an overall prospect when he entered? Or Goff?
Why do I have to think about that? Why not just tell me. Use whatever source you want.
Then explain why this is relevant here.
Why do I have to think about that? Why not just tell me. Use whatever source you want.
Then explain why this is relevant here.
Because before the draft, there might have been a good chance neither were a top 10 overall prospect. Drafted #1 and 2, because they are QBs, but neither were considered "can't miss QBs".
Two years later would anyone complain about where they were taken?
Which speaks directly to your point.
Relevant enough?
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I could live with that. Do you see any real franchise QBs in 2018? What about 2019?
Lets not even talk about 2019. Hell, my theory is that it may certainly be possible that you could get your best QB coming out of this draft somewhere down the line....2d 3rd round. You know...like a Russell Wilson. I don't predict it....just saying it is possible.
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before last years draft your jambalaya reference could also been used and so ya I'm saying to draft Darnold to which we could develop into a starting QB,this team needs a freaking direction and drafting Darnold would do that drafting a db from bama doesn't move the needle
If you think that Darnold is the be all end all of the QBs available...that he is John Elway/Peyton Manning/Andrew Luck The Next Generation then you surely go for him. But I hear NO ONE saying anything remotely like that about him. Are you hearing that?
(In fact... he may be sitting there at #4....I hear about Rosen being more often highly ranked)
And I don't care about moving any needles. What needle are you wanting moved? TV ratings? i want wins.
If you think that Darnold is the be all end all of the QBs available...that he is John Elway/Peyton Manning/Andrew Luck The Next Generation then you surely go for him. But I hear NO ONE saying anything remotely like that about him. Are you hearing that?
And I don't care about moving any needles. What needle are you wanting moved? TV ratings? i want wins.
You better have the #1 pick to get one of the above super QBs or prepare to gut your draft to trade up. Throw in Marino and Aikman on that list also.
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I could live with that. Do you see any real franchise QBs in 2018? What about 2019?
Lets not even talk about 2019. Hell, my theory is that it may certainly be possible that you could get your best QB coming out of this draft somewhere down the line....2d 3rd round. You know...like a Russell Wilson. I don't predict it....just saying it is possible.
Lets not even talk about 2019. Hell, my theory is that it may certainly be possible that you could get your best QB coming out of this draft somewhere down the line....2d 3rd round. You know...like a Russell Wilson. I don't predict it....just saying it is possible.
I'm not going to research it, but I'd say that from current NFL QBs, how many were taken in first round? And how many you'd say they are good. A Russell Wilson appears once in 5-10 years. A Brady in the 6th once in a lifetime.
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Why do I have to think about that? Why not just tell me. Use whatever source you want.
Then explain why this is relevant here.
Because before the draft, there might have been a good chance neither were a top 10 overall prospect. Drafted #1 and 2, because they are QBs, but neither were considered "can't miss QBs".
Two years later would anyone complain about where they were taken?
Which speaks directly to your point.
Relevant enough?
Because before the draft, there might have been a good chance neither were a top 10 overall prospect. Drafted #1 and 2, because they are QBs, but neither were considered "can't miss QBs".
Two years later would anyone complain about where they were taken?
Which speaks directly to your point.
Relevant enough?
Possibly. But you are trying to make future predictions based on past events. (I know, I do it all the time).
All I am saying is that very few actual "rankings of talent" put any of these guys as the best prospects in this draft. Only the Mocks do that. And maybe you are right...perhaps it could be proven a few years down the road that these top QBs taken become the Eli/BR/Rivers of this year. Or, as I said, they could be the Ponders/Lockers/Gabberts. We don't know.
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I could live with that. Do you see any real franchise QBs in 2018? What about 2019?
Lets not even talk about 2019. Hell, my theory is that it may certainly be possible that you could get your best QB coming out of this draft somewhere down the line....2d 3rd round. You know...like a Russell Wilson. I don't predict it....just saying it is possible.
Lets not even talk about 2019. Hell, my theory is that it may certainly be possible that you could get your best QB coming out of this draft somewhere down the line....2d 3rd round. You know...like a Russell Wilson. I don't predict it....just saying it is possible.
True in a way plus you might not (hopefully) have the #1, 2, 3 picks anyhow......but a few guesses might be interesting just to compare with 2018.
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every mock draft has rosen and Donald going #1 and #2 only walters has barkley going #1 which they say it could be Donald
we have to go QB drafting a db is not going to win games
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If you think that Darnold is the be all end all of the QBs available...that he is John Elway/Peyton Manning/Andrew Luck The Next Generation then you surely go for him. But I hear NO ONE saying anything remotely like that about him. Are you hearing that?
And I don't care about moving any needles. What needle are you wanting moved? TV ratings? i want wins.
You better have the #1 pick to get one of the above super QBs or prepare to gut your draft to trade up. Throw in Marino and Aikman on that list also.
You better have the #1 pick to get one of the above super QBs or prepare to gut your draft to trade up. Throw in Marino and Aikman on that list also.
Marino was the #27 pick in the draft. 5 others were taken before him...but he can arguably be considered the best of that group...though you do have Elway and Kelly in there.
Do you think there is a #27 Marino that could go this year? It is certainly possible.
Do you think that as many as 5-6 will go in round one? That has only happened twice in the common draft era...as many as 5 QBs taken. 1983 and 1999.
1983 produced 3 HOFers, one very good one (O/Brien), one mediocre (Eason)..and one bust (Blackledge). 1999 produced one borderline HOF in McNabb. One pretty good one in Culpepper. Another fairly good one imo...whose career was cut short by injury: Couch, and two complete busts: Akili and McCown.
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